The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[Castrol96]

Illuminati rumor states that they blast and huge EMP over the earth and electricity being dead. Doubt that will happen.

 

[Dotini]

Either man or nature could generate electromagnetic pulses which would shut down all or parts of the electricity grid depending on the extent of the pulse(s). In the worst case, yes, it would end civilization as we know it. We appear to be unprepared and vulnerable, but in reality we seem to be lucky. Better to be lucky than good.

 

[Castrol96]

Either man or nature could generate electromagnetic pulses which would shut down all or parts of the electricity grid depending on the extent of the pulse(s). In the worst case, yes, it would end civilization as we know it. We appear to be unprepared and vulnerable, but in reality we seem to be lucky. Better to be lucky than good.

Would a Massive EMP blast prevent a Nuclear War?

 

[Dotini]

Would a Massive EMP blast prevent a Nuclear War?

Probably not, since many nuclear weapons are located underground in silos or underwater in submarines such that they and their delivery systems would be shielded from the EMP.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Would a Massive EMP blast prevent a Nuclear War?

Probably not, since many nuclear weapons are located underground in silos or underwater in submarines such that they and their delivery systems would be shielded from the EMP.

The electronics in missiles are themselves shielded - there's no point flying a missile on a nuclear strike if other weapons going off can disable it by default.

 

[Dotini]

The electronics in missiles are themselves shielded - there's no point flying a missile on a nuclear strike if other weapons going off can disable it by default.

There are some electromagnetic environments in which even shielded components fail or alter their output signal. For one, it is known that transiting the South Atlantic Anomaly (Van Allen belt) has disabled and caused the loss of a Japanese space mission. Another example is the increasingly prevalent phenomena of cosmic rays, which penetrate to the center of the Earth. If your transistor, shielded or not, is struck by a cosmic ray, it may not function as intended.

 

[TexRex]

Since this thread has popped up at the top of the forum list again, I thought it a good opportunity to repeat something I heard recently:

"Conspiracies are how bored people pass the time."

There goes my streak of not posting in this thread. I was proud of that, but I'm proud that I broke it in such a manner.

 

[Castrol96]

There are some electromagnetic environments in which even shielded components fail or alter their output signal. For one, it is known that transiting the South Atlantic Anomaly (Van Allen belt) has disabled and caused the loss of a Japanese space mission. Another example is the increasingly prevalent phenomena of cosmic rays, which penetrate to the center of the Earth. If your transistor, shielded or not, is struck by a cosmic ray, it may not function as intended.

A Solar Flare would most likely damage the electricity grid over man made.

 

[TenEightyOne]

There are some electromagnetic environments in which even shielded components fail or alter their output signal. For one, it is known that transiting the South Atlantic Anomaly (Van Allen belt) has disabled and caused the loss of a Japanese space mission.

Most space flights map their way carefully to avoid the densest Van Allen areas. Which is the Japanese mission you write of? Not the one that deliberately tested flight parameters in the Van Allen belt?

 

[Dotini]

A Solar Flare would most likely damage the electricity grid over man made.

Yes, a solar flare has damaged electrical equipment in the past, and could do so again. It depends on the strength of the flare, the region and vulnerability of the equipment, and of course the strength of the Earth's protective magnetic field. Man-made EMP's have also done so, and could be directed against vulnerable areas with multiple attacks if the need ever arose. Let's hope it doesn't.

Most space flights map their way carefully to avoid the densest Van Allen areas. Which is the Japanese mission you write of? Not the one that deliberately tested flight parameters in the Van Allen belt?

I think that might have been the very one, but I need to look that one up again. IIRC, the mission was just beginning, with the payload orbiting at only a few hundred km up, and failed to respond to after transiting the SAA. It eventually disintegrated and burned up falling to
Earth. To deal with a cosmic ray hit, the only way is multiple redundant computers with a majority vote deciding the output.

 

[Rallywagon]

Since this thread has popped up at the top of the forum list again, I thought it a good opportunity to repeat something I heard recently:

"Conspiracies are how bored people pass the time."

There goes my streak of not posting in this thread. I was proud of that, but I'm proud that I broke it in such a manner.

That may be the case, but, that doesn't mean they are wrong either. Plots, enacted or otherwise, to assassinate presidents are conspiracies. The Bay of Tonkin was a conspiracy, the Contra affair.... All true, all conspiracies

 

[TexRex]

That may be the case, but, that doesn't mean they are wrong either. Plots, enacted or otherwise, to assassinate presidents are conspiracies. The Bay of Tonkin was a conspiracy, the Contra affair.... All true, all conspiracies

There was nothing in the remark that I quoted about the validity of conspiracy theories and I didn't quote it in an attempt to address the validity of conspiracy theories.

That isn't to say I don't have any concerns about conspiracy theories though. More often than not, they come off as propaganda, taking advantage of some innate desire for answers that we have in an effort to attack specific individuals or groups.

Some or all details of a theory may be entirely irrational, but you can bet there's someone willing to believe it. It used to be that theorists encountered some difficulty in finding those willing to accept their theories, but the internet presents the ideal platform through which to spread them.

 

[VBR]

 

[Dotini]

Bored? Go too much time on your hands? Then watch this. Otherwise don't bother.

 

[Rallywagon]

There was nothing in the remark that I quoted about the validity of conspiracy theories and I didn't quote it in an attempt to address the validity of conspiracy theories.

That isn't to say I don't have any concerns about conspiracy theories though. More often than not, they come off as propaganda, taking advantage of some innate desire for answers that we have in an effort to attack specific individuals or groups.

Some or all details of a theory may be entirely irrational, but you can bet there's someone willing to believe it. It used to be that theorists encountered some difficulty in finding those willing to accept their theories, but the internet presents the ideal platform through which to spread them.

Seemed to me that quote was put out there to do just that though. To dismiss the ideas of conspiracies as those brought by a bored person with nothing better to do. That is asinine since at least one conspiracy that I pointed out caused the death of thousands of Americans and many more Vietnamese and was uncovered by hard, tireless investigative work. They certainly are more than "how bored people pass the time."

 

[TexRex]

Seemed to me that quote was put out there to do just that though. To dismiss the ideas of conspiracies as those brought by a bored person with nothing better to do.

It wasn't the conscious intent, rather I saw the thread in the forum list and recalled the remark. That said, if it weren't for the existence of often baseless theories fueled by bias that incite harmful acts against individuals and groups that are "exposed", I may not have been compelled to repeat it. So perhaps that was the subconscious intent.

That is asinine since at least one conspiracy that I pointed out caused the death of thousands of Americans and many more Vietnamese and was uncovered by hard, tireless investigative work. They certainly are more than "how bored people pass the time."

They can be. And I'll give you that what I cited was sweeping, not allowing for what can be. But validity of the part certainly isn't indicative of validity of the whole.

I'll also give you that hard, tireless investigative work has uncovered real conspiracies that did or intended to do harm. I'm sure it's ongoing.

However, there are also countless that gain traction through cyber confabs in subreddits and YouTube channels, and these, while often completely unsubstantiated, are much more likely to incite harmful acts against those that are indicated therein.

 

[Dotini]

What are the chances of cosmic rays coming up out of the ice of Antarctica? About as much as oak trees growing out of your rectum?

Normally we associate cosmic rays with distant supernovae and to a lesser extent with our own Sun. Now smoke this:

Bizarre Particles Keep Flying Out of Antarctica's Ice, and They Might Shatter Modern Physics
By Rafi Letzter, Staff Writer | September 26, 2018 08:16pm ET
https://www.livescience.com/63692-standard-model-broken-supersymmetry-new-physics.html

Synopsis: ANITA Spots Another Inverted Cosmic-Ray-Like Event
October 18, 2018
A fountain of high-energy particles that resembles an upside-down cosmic-ray shower is detected for the second time by the Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna.
https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.121.161102

We report on four radio-detected cosmic-ray (CR) or CR-like events observed with the Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA), a NASA-sponsored long-duration balloon payload. Two of the four were pre- viously identified as stratospheric CR air showers during the ANITA-I flight. A third stratospheric CR was detected during the ANITA-II flight. Here we report on characteristics these three unusual CR events, which develop nearly horizontally, 20-30 km above the surface of the Earth. In addition, we report on a fourth steeply upward-pointing ANITA-I CR-like radio event which has characteristics consistent with a primary that emerged from the surface of the ice. This suggests a possible τ-lepton decay as the origin of this event, but such an interpretation would require significant suppression of the Standard Model τ-neutrino cross section.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.05218.pdf

Strange waves rippled around the world, and nobody knows why
Instruments picked up the seismic waves more than 10,000 miles away—but bizarrely, nobody felt them.
BY MAYA WEI-HAAS
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ake-waves-rippled-around-world-earth-geology/


One explanation that arises is that the global seismic wave was caused by cosmic waves penetrating into the Earth’s interior. Another, more disturbing explanation is that the mysterious global seismic waves were a result of unique “Earth cosmic rays” emanating from a neutral matter ejection analogous to a coronal mass ejection first described by Chan Thomas and classified by the CIA.

 

[Novalee]

Here is tinfoil hat wearer alex jones answering questions about his sandy hook conspiracy theorys

Bankston: Mr. Jones, I’m going to hand you a copy of what I have marked as Exhibit 4. Have you ever seen that before?

Jones: I don’t remember.

Bankston: You’re not sure if you’ve seen this before?

Jones: No.

Bankston: Okay. You’ll see at the top it has a time stamp 12-14-12?

Jones: Yes.

Bankston: You know that’s the date of Sandy Hook, right?

Jones: I don’t know.

Bankston: You don’t know that?

Jones: Was that the day?

Bankston: It is.

Bankston is a lawyer for one the sandy hook parent of a dead child


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/we-g...edictable-disaster_n_5c9d06fae4b03218ee1ca133

It did not go well for Jones

 

[Dotini]

You have no right to know about the outbreak and spread of deadly resistant infections in your hospital, because it would scare you and your money away.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-the-globe-in-a-climate-of-secrecy/ar-BBVFPi7

 

[Dotini]

There is no doubt Donald Trump had a fair amount of contact with his famous uncle at MIT. The rest is all delightful fodder for conspiracy theory!

https://www.exopolitics.org/did-trumps-uncle-tell-him-about-missing-tesla-papers-flying-saucers/

 

[TenEightyOne]

There is no doubt Donald Trump had a fair amount of contact with his famous uncle at MIT. The rest is all delightful fodder for conspiracy theory!

https://www.exopolitics.org/did-trumps-uncle-tell-him-about-missing-tesla-papers-flying-saucers/

So despite the fact that they quote John G. Trump as saying that there was no basis in Tesla's wireless power theories they go on to spin a whole article out of the works of unrelated authors? That was a slightly messed-up read Some people might be impressed by the word Alien in the above paragraph, of course.

History puts most of the theorising to bed, the principles that did work were developed beyond all recognition, the principles that never worked simply never worked. If we're supposed to infer that the US had some top-secret military research covering all kinds of ideas... of course they did. If we're supposed to infer that they built Van der Graaf generators inside working flying saucers, no. Aerodynamics are not changed by the generation process

 

[Dotini]

So despite the fact that they quote John G. Trump as saying that there was no basis in Tesla's wireless power theories they go on to spin a whole article out of the works of unrelated authors? That was a slightly messed-up read Some people might be impressed by the word Alien in the above paragraph, of course.

History puts most of the theorising to bed, the principles that did work were developed beyond all recognition, the principles that never worked simply never worked. If we're supposed to infer that the US had some top-secret military research covering all kinds of ideas... of course the did. If we're supposed to infer that they built Van der Graaf generators inside working flying saucers, no. Aerodynamics are not changed by the generation process

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. My only intent here was lighthearted entertainment within the conspiracy/paranoia genre, suffused with just enough truth and topical currency to be amusing. I hope you're keeping up with the Alien thread which is currently documenting long-delayed US disclosure of the actuality of UFOs if not positively that of aliens. I'm surprised, but the UFOs are inferred to be of technological origin and not the plasma weather phenomena I'd long assumed. Sources say additional official disclosures from legacy cases are forthcoming very soon. Our government has announced intensified and officially sanctioned military investigation of the phenomena. However, they have made it clear that these new investigation are to be kept from the public lest they reveal sources and methods. My old boss Pat Shanahan is involved. And so are Russia and Iran(!). Our emergency order to return men to the Moon within 5 years may also be inferred as relevant.

 

[UKMikey]

Bird-killing, cancer-causing 5G is the internet's new favourite conspiracy theory

Anti-5G activists claim the upgrade to mobile networks will cause cancer, infertility and autism, but there's no proof. And the level of misinformation is growing

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/5g-health-risks-concerns

 

[baldgye]

Where did autism come from? Why does every dumb conspiracy involve people getting autism??

 

[TexRex]

Where did autism come from? Why does every dumb conspiracy involve people getting autism??

The increase in ASD diagnoses as a result of testing more likely to indicate that an individual is on the spectrum is perceived by stupid people as an increase in cases of autism. More cases of autism "obviously" means something is causing it, and that something is obviously going to be what those stupid people don't understand or have an inclination to oppose.

 

[Dotini]

Could the United States actually already be flying hybrid underwater/aerospace craft that will change history as we know it?

Images from two separate patents: “Craft Using an Inertial Mass Reduction Device,” left; and “High Frequency Gravitational Wave Generator;” right. Look familiar? They’re straight out of every UFO sighting ever.

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019...adership-believe-their-em-craft-are-possible/

 

[BobK]

Could the United States actually already be flying hybrid underwater/aerospace craft that will change history as we know it?

Images from two separate patents: “Craft Using an Inertial Mass Reduction Device,” left; and “High Frequency Gravitational Wave Generator;” right. Look familiar? They’re straight out of every UFO sighting ever.

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019...adership-believe-their-em-craft-are-possible/

Reading through the patent disclosure, the first patent appears to be based o some highly questionable science (I didn't read the second one yet). Recall that a device doesn't have to be practical or even possible to receive a patent, perpetual motion machines aside.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'm sure that if I depressurised the inside of a laboratory vacuum jar and smacked it into my head I'd find out that its internal mass hadn't been diminished in the least. So this patent looks like bollocks.

This seems to be the (mad) approach taken by the US government: patent any mad theory just in case it ever actually works.

 

[Dotini]

Open question: After WWII, who between the USSR and the USA ended up with the most and the best German/Nazi scientists and engineers? I've heard it both ways. Operation Paperclip supposedly recruited 1600, and supposedly the

Soviet Union was more aggressive in forcibly recruiting more than 2,200 German specialists—a total of more than 6,000 people including family members—with Operation Osoaviakhim during one night on October 22, 1946.[3]

per wikipedia.

 

[Exorcet]

I'd say based on the early Cold War conflicts, the split in captured technology was about even. In the long run the US was just more stable.