The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[MongooseEcho]

Contrails go back decades before this. I've heard from believers that to tell a contrail and a chemtrail apart, one way is to look at length, but long contrails are not unique to the 90's+ or even this side of 1950.

Contrails are natural to jet powered planes,
We are talking about Chem Trails,

Like high altitude crop spraying

Then those planes need to operate from certain areas, and they also need to fly through controlled airspace, where they would be monitored. Unless they were stealth aircraft, or every aircraft monitoring service was in on the plan (including individuals now that things like flight tracker exists) they would be found. How could they hide them?

They are only hidden from the public,
read my two links above and think about it,

Based on what is know, what would waking up accomplish? There is no one to go after, no place where they operate, and no equipment of theirs to label dangerous. Taking action requires a goal. "Stopping 'them'" isn't specific enough to get anything done.

Wrong,
Then you know very little,
There are people to go after (not just the illuminati but the people who work for them)
They operate where they try to infiltrate, government, media, military,

You are proof that without understanding you can do nothing, they rely on that,
Educate yourselves, asking questions is a good start, start google searching,

Research the illuminati, the shadow government, black projects, listen to whistleblowers,
They are connected to the UN, the trilateral commission, bilderberg, the federal reserve and world banks,
to name a few...

I think you missed his point.

If you can freely access information on a subject, it is no longer "covert".

You missed the point, it's covert, and people have died to get this information out,

How much do you know about Chem trails? (not counting the lies)
How much do you know about the illuminati?

The sheer lack of your understand, and knowledge of this subject is it's own indicator,

Covert,

That's what they WANT you to think!

Clearly governments aren't involved, I can't think of any that could manage an operation of this size, even if the battle plan was available on Google.

Sorry, but they are involved, not the whole of governments, just certain areas of power, that will try to dictate to other areas,

We are talking about the illuminati, not a bunch of Shriners,

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Really?

Then tell me everything you know about the illuminate,
I'm sure you must be an expert on the subject like everyone else,

Nope?,

Covert,

Thank you for the warning and the advice on how I should decipher their forked words.

Personally I think that you might be insane.

No, he may not see everything, but he sees more than you,

That makes you the one that's insane,

 

[Furinkazen]

Holy quadruple pentagonal post batman, tip @MongooseEcho , use the edit button

 

[Boone]

I don't need to dazzle you with personally identifiable information related to some state department, farm-trained, special forces initiate, inner-circle flaunting BS to silence your fallacious argument with reason.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No, he may to see everything, but he sees more than you,

That makes you the one that's insane,

You presume to know a lot about how much I know... and your vague, mumbo-jumbo "follow the money, he sees more than you, the digestives are under the teapot" mutterings lend you no extra credibility.

The paradoxical nature of your claims is ludicrous to me.

 

[Exorcet]

Contrails are natural to jet powered planes,
We are talking about Chem Trails,

Like high altitude crop spraying

Yes and I'm asking about them. You say chemtrails, I think of the people I've seen/heard talking about them. I brought up that they have said they look like longer contrails. Do you agree? Do you disagree? If we don't define what a chemtrail is, what's the point of even talking about this?

They are only hidden from the public,
read my two links above and think about it,

I did. One predicted WWIII two years ago this month. The other suggested that chemtrails are for lowering resistance to viruses without explaining how that works, along with saying that some people won't be satisfied without a nature preserve bigger than what they could ever make use of and that the military will just go along with their plans. There was actually very little about chemtrails in it.

Wrong,
Then you know very little,
There are people to go after (not just the illuminati but the people who work for them)
They operate where they try to infiltrate, government, media, military,

What can I do with this? You say get the Illuminati. Where do I find them?

You are proof that without understanding you can do nothing, they rely on that,
Educate yourselves, asking questions is a good start, start google searching,

You claim to be knowledgeable so I'm asking. How could Google be a good source if this is so hidden? Surely the masterminds behind this must have fake websites with misinformation everywhere, and of course they would be controlling the links that people end up seeing, right?

You missed the point, it's covert, and people have died to get this information out,

How much do you know about Chem trails? (not counting the lies)
How much do you know about the illuminati?

I thought you said this is easy to find just a short while earlier?

Really?

Then tell me everything you know about the illuminate,
I'm sure you must be an expert on the subject like everyone else,

Nope?,

Covert,

But Google is enough?

 

[MongooseEcho]

Holy quadruple pentagonal post batman, tip @MongooseEcho , use the edit button

LOL, been there, done that,

I don't need to dazzle you with personally identifiable information related to some state department, farm-trained, special forces initiate, inner-circle flaunting BS to silence your fallacious argument with reason.

Sorry, but you are trying to deny a subject matter you know near to nothing about (outside of the name)
Your argument is in fact fallacious,

But I'm not here to argue with you man,
We are brothers in arms, we share the same common enemy,

You don't have to agree with me, but at least look in to this before dismissing,

Are you going to fight for yourself, or are you going to let others fight for you?

You presume to know a lot about how much I know... and your vague, mumbo-jumbo "follow the money, he sees more than you, the digestives are under the teapot" mutterings lend you no extra credibility.

The paradoxical nature of your claims is ludicrous to me.

He is right though, follow the money, you can find out about many things,

Mumbo jumbo?
It may only seem paradoxical to your lack of knowledge,

Do your home work, don't talk from ignorance,
Physics to a five year old would look like mumbo jumbo, give him a few years and it won't

 

[Boone]

Sorry, but you are trying to deny a subject matter you know near to nothing about (outside of the name)
Your argument is in fact fallacious,

But I'm not here to argue with you man,
We are brothers in arms, we share the same common enemy,

You don't have to agree with me, but at least look in to this before dismissing,

Are you going to fight for yourself, or are you going to let others fight for you?

Whether I fight for myself or not really doesn't concern you. As another has said, you presume to know much about what I do and do not know. You claim to have proof of infiltration into the military. Which military? Who infiltrated? What were the effects of this infiltration on the unit at a micro and macro level? I've heard this argument presented numerous times with no proof. It's impossible to vet any of the information you're presenting. There are no trusted sources and we're not sure whether this is simply disinfo. Look, you're probably a great person aside from this virus in your mind. We could probably have a few drinks and talk cars all day long. However, I cannot and will not trust anyone demanding proof of my credentials while simultaneously trying to convince me that logic and reason are not my friends.

 

[BobK]

Holy crap. I checked that site out. WW III started two - two and a half years ago! Sheesh, I must have slept through it or something, dang it. That nuclear exchange must have been something to see.

 

[Famine]

Sorry, but you are trying to deny a subject matter you know near to nothing about (outside of the name)

That rather being the point of a high-level covert conspiracy.

The very nature of such an entity means that having knowledge of it requires being part of it. Anything else is just your generic conspiracist vacillation.


I mean chemtrails. Seriously. Chemtrails...

 

[TenEightyOne]

He is right though, follow the money, you can find out about many things,

Mumbo jumbo?
It may only seem paradoxical to your lack of knowledge,

Do your home work, don't talk from ignorance,
Physics to a five year old would look like mumbo jumbo, give him a few years and it won't

A paradox is something that is self-contradictory. Your posts are exactly that. You claim that the knowledge has been paid for with human life, that's how controlled it is. You then claim that much misinformation is spread. You can only hint at your own knowledge outside the very Google sites that must presumably be distrusted if you are to be believed.

That is a paradox, it doesn't go to the accuracy of any part of your belief, you simply are presenting something paradoxical by definition.

How do you know I've never researched this out of my own interest? You simply don't...you think my disagreement is based on a lack of knowledge but the only justification for that is your own opinion. I'm not saying if I have or not, simply that you don't know.

Perhaps I don't believe what you're saying simply because of the ridiculous way you're presenting it?

@BobK ... it was a COVERT nuclear war, do keep up.

 

[MongooseEcho]

Yes and I'm asking about them. You say chemtrails, I think of the people I've seen/heard talking about them. I brought up that they have said they look like longer contrails. Do you agree? Do you disagree? If we don't define what a chemtrail is, what's the point of even talking about this?

"Like high altitude crop spraying"

A con trail is short and follows the plane like a tail on a comet,

Chem trails leave tracks through the sky, till they defuse in the air,

I did. One predicted WWIII two years ago this month. The other suggested that chemtrails are for lowering resistance to viruses without explaining how that works, along with saying that some people won't be satisfied without a nature preserve bigger than what they could ever make use of and that the military will just go along with their plans. There was actually very little about chemtrails in it.

The other is not a suggestion, it's a disclosure on Chem trails,
What are you looking for? The formula for Chem trails?

It varies a lot, they have more than one formula,

The two links together lend validity to one another, think about it...

What can I do with this? You say get the Illuminati. Where do I find them?

You start by looking,

You claim to be knowledgeable so I'm asking. How could Google be a good source if this is so hidden? Surely the masterminds behind this must have fake websites with misinformation everywhere, and of course they would be controlling the links that people end up seeing, right?

It's like a jigsaw, search, try putting the pieces together,
The more knowledge you get, the better you are at separating wheat from chaff,

I thought you said this is easy to find just a short while earlier?


But Google is enough?

It is once you start looking,

Have you tried?

 

[TenEightyOne]

A con trail is short and follows the plane like a tail on a comet...Chem trails leave tracks through the sky, till they defuse in the air,

It's like a jigsaw, search, try putting the pieces together,
The more knowledge you get, the better you are at separating wheat from chaff,
...
It is once you start looking,
...
Have you tried?

You're as mad as a goat.

Do you know of any other reason why vapour trails might differ in length when you observe them?

I won't bother looking for any more covert stuff, when I search Google for "Is MongooseEcho right?" it just says "Did You Mean Should I Just Hand Myself In To The NSA?"

 

[MongooseEcho]

Whether I fight for myself or not really doesn't concern you. As another has said, you presume to know much about what I do and do not know. You claim to have proof of infiltration into the military. Which military? Who infiltrated? What were the effects of this infiltration on the unit at a micro and macro level? I've heard this argument presented numerous times with no proof. It's impossible to vet any of the information you're presenting. There are no trusted sources and we're not sure whether this is simply disinfo. Look, you're probably a great person aside from this virus in your mind. We could probably have a few drinks and talk cars all day long. However, I cannot and will not trust anyone demanding proof of my credentials while simultaneously trying to convince me that logic and reason are not my friends.

Okay, look, if you want me to reply keep it short and to the point, I will then do my best,
If you don't educate yourself to this issue, other will have to fight for you because you will be sitting at home wondering what's happening as you see this unfold on your T.V,

I don't know much about you other than that you know very little of the illuminati,
That has been proven by your assumptions,

It's mostly at the macro level,
Proof can be tough to get when they either kill you, or threat to kill your family, (would you be brave enough in that situation?)

If you are waiting for hard proof, wait till they come to collect you for a FEMA camp,

Not disinfo, I'm saying don't simple dismiss this out of ignorance, look in to it yourself,
Disinfo does not do that, with disinfo they tell you how to think, (much like most news channels)


"demanding proof of my credentials while simultaneously trying to convince me that logic and reason are not my friends."

Okay I never demanded anything,
Never tried to convince you that logic and reason are not your friends, far from it, (as I keep saying find out for yourself)

But ignorance is your enemy,

You're as mad as a goat.

Do you know of any other reason why vapour trails might differ in length when you observe them?

I won't bother looking for any more covert stuff, when I search Google for "Is MongooseEcho right?" it just says "Did You Mean Should I Just Hand Myself In To The NSA?"

You can't seem to keep it civil can you?

A contrail is short, and follows the plane at the same length,

A Chem trail is long and can last more than a few minutes, leaving lines across the sky,
It can look like train tracks,

Imagine high altitude crop spraying, what would that look like?


Are you worried about the NSA?
Why is that?.....

 

[Dan]

I'm going to laugh my ass off when every single one of these crazy, new age, mysterious and evil organization theories have 100% proof of not existing, without a single chance of what you guys are saying can be true.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Personally, the arrogance of your statement is amusing. You 13 years old? Because you sure debate like one...

Really? I'm disappointed in myself if that's how you feel.

You also misused 'personally' in a grammatical sense, the weight of your retort was therefore diminished

You can't seem to keep it civil can you?

A contrail is short, and follows the plane at the same length,

A Chem trail is long and can last more than a few minutes, leaving lines across the sky,
It can look like train tracks,

Imagine high altitude crop spraying, what would that look like?


Are you worried about the NSA?
Why is that?.....

Of course I'm worried about the NSA. When you look at world trends in data security there is much to the actions of large security organisations that is worrying.

I can imagine what high altitude crop spraying would look like, it would like like a contrail that takes along time to dissipate because of atmospheric conditions between the two thermoclines where it was laid.

The existence of those proves nothing, you don't seem to realise that if NWO-type conspiracies genuinely exist you have no idea what they are. If they're on Google it kind of dulls their covertness.

Saying that it's all just a clever double-bluff... you'd just go on forever.

Apologies if I seemed uncivil but I genuinely believe that you might need help.

 

[MongooseEcho]

Holy crap. I checked that site out. WW III started two - two and a half years ago! Sheesh, I must have slept through it or something, dang it. That nuclear exchange must have been something to see.

Did you read all of it?

Then remember how the people trying to make this happen were getting frustrated by things not happening in the time they wanted it too...

Look at the news, look at what was said,

 

[Dan]

You would think that with these conspiracy theorists "claiming" to know about the things these "evil organizations" are doing like chemtrails and other nonsensical things, that our governments (With more resources than you or I have, namely the internet and word of mouth) would actually investigate them as a matter of national security.

 

[MongooseEcho]

I'm going to laugh my ass off when every single one of these crazy, new age, mysterious and evil organization theories have 100% proof of not existing, without a single chance of what you guys are saying can be true.

And you say that has a expert on the subject?
Or are you just making invalid comments based no knowledge of the subject,

Which one is easier?....

 

[TenEightyOne]

And you say that has a expert on the subject?
Or are you just making invalid comments based no knowledge of the subject,

Which one is easier?....

We're meant to assume that your own knowledge and expertise is beyond question...

 

[Scaff]

So let me get this right.

WW3 happened two years ago and a secret colony of over half a million lives on Mars and is supplied via Stargates?

http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html

That is part of what you are saying is going on?

 

[Boone]

@MongooseEcho You're most certainly telling us how to think. I don't watch TV aside from the utter crap I see from time to time while passing by one...


Fear is a weapon in the wrong hands, Chief. Name me one person who knows enough about the Illuminati to actually name off even a single member with proof. Don't give me that "You aren't brave enough, they'll come get cha" line either. Like I said, whether or not I'm brave is none of your concern. The fact is, no one can name the Illuminati because they did exist but have since been dissolved[already stated], executed or otherwise become irrelevant in politics, and most importantly become the focus of disinfo agents because, surprise surprise, the Illuminati are a perfect scapegoat for the world's problems and even criminal actions. Nothing to trace. It keeps people like yourself who are well-meaning chasing their tails[speaking metaphorically]. The real enemy here is the paradox[which you're unfortunately trapped by]. There is an actionable need to question whether or not any organization, government or not, should have an ability to know every move you make. That's a reality which appears to have dropped a few notches down on your priority list...

 

[MongooseEcho]

That rather being the point of a high-level covert conspiracy.

The very nature of such an entity means that having knowledge of it requires being part of it. Anything else is just your generic conspiracist vacillation.


I mean chemtrails. Seriously. Chemtrails...

So, if it's covert you can't find out about it right,
Did they tell you why they want your guns? why the DHS has bought up 1.6 billion bullets? (this is homeland security, why would the need enough bullets to put six bullets in every man woman and child in the U.S)
Why do they have drones flying over your head?
Why are they giving APCs to the police?

Do you want to criticise me out of ignorance?
Or get off your ass before it's too late,

So let me get this right.

WW3 happened two years ago and a secret colony of over half a million lives on Mars and is supplied via Stargates?

http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html

Sound like sci/fi doesn't it?
Yet, do your research,

That is part of what you are saying is going on?

 

[Scaff]

Sound like sci/fi doesn't it?
Yet, do your research,

Your claim, how about you supply the information.

That's how it works.

 

[Dan]

I think some people here need to realize they have a greater purpose in their lives rather than "informing" gullible people of a supposed plot to commit global genocide, which almost certainly does not exist.

But, if there was such an organization that is hell-bent on destroying the planet, why not live your life doing something you love right now, rather than living in constant fear of the day your end may or may not come?

The bolded part can also be applied to the first paragraph.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Your claim, how about you supply the information.

That's how it works.

Scaff, it's covert. When you put stuff in the covert tags the internet blocks it and kills you dead. You have to get it from Google.

 

[Exorcet]

"Like high altitude crop spraying"

A con trail is short and follows the plane like a tail on a comet,

Chem trails leave tracks through the sky, till they defuse in the air,

A contrail is short, and follows the plane at the same length,

A Chem trail is long and can last more than a few minutes, leaving lines across the sky,
It can look like train tracks

Which would these be in your opinion?

The other is not a suggestion, it's a disclosure on Chem trails,
What are you looking for? The formula for Chem trails?

No not specifically, just as much information on them as possible.

You start by looking,



It's like a jigsaw, search, try putting the pieces together,
The more knowledge you get, the better you are at separating wheat from chaff,





It is once you start looking,

Have you tried?

I've discussed this topic before, I even know someone who does believe in chemtrails at the very least. You stated that the two sources lend credibility to one another. One thing I like to do is compare information from different sources, like yourself, vs information I've been given previously. I haven't yet found convincing evidence for chemtrails. It seems like it's all contrails. The same goes for the plan behind the chemtrails.

Supposedly leaking this information leads to death or threats of such, but if there is so much leaking going on that I can easily search for it, either the security isn't very good or there are so many people that need to be assassinated that the group behind it all would need to go through with its masterplan just to silence everyone.

It's just not adding up.

 

[Scaff]

This thread does remind me of this one a lot....

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...t-ferrari-weird-letter-to-evo-magazine.91424/

....be warned that one make this look plausible (see if you can spot the oddest member in that thread).

 

[Dan]

This thread does remind me of this one a lot....

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...t-ferrari-weird-letter-to-evo-magazine.91424/

....be warned that one make this look plausible (see if you can spot the oddest member in that thread).

I think I lost a few brain cells reading that message. Dear god.

 

[MongooseEcho]

@MongooseEcho You're most certainly telling us how to think. I don't watch TV aside from the utter crap I see from time to time while passing by one...


Fear is a weapon in the wrong hands, Chief. Name me one person who knows enough about the Illuminati to actually name off even a single member with proof. Don't give me that "You aren't brave enough, they'll come get cha" line either. Like I said, whether or not I'm brave is none of your concern. The fact is, no one can name the Illuminati because they did exist but have since been dissolved[already stated], executed or otherwise become irrelevant in politics, and most importantly become the focus of disinfo agents because, surprise surprise, the Illuminati are a perfect scapegoat for the world's problems and even criminal actions. Nothing to trace. It keeps people like yourself who are well-meaning chasing their tails[speaking metaphorically]. The real enemy here is the paradox[which you're unfortunately trapped by]. There is an actionable need to question whether or not any organization, government or not, should have an ability to know every move you make. That's a reality which appears to have dropped a few notches down on your priority list...

The reality given to you by who?
The media?
If you can control someone's perceptions you can control their thinking,
If you control their thinking you control their doing,

Who do you think controls the media?
Why does the NSA need to monitor you?, abusing the U.S Constitution while the do it,

Go look up Deprograming cult members, (I dare you)
And compare the types of argument on this thread, that's what media can do to you,

If proof was given to you, most of you would still choose to deny it,

And don't use wiki (something anyone can alter) as a source of information,

There are are ex illuminati disclosers but some of them are a mix of truth and lies/disinfo,

For,
illuminati whistleblower "they worship lucifer"
On YouTube,

Then there's Mark Cleminson, or Svali (be cautious I believe there is disinfo wrapped with truth with her)
Just try googling ex illuminati,

 

[TenEightyOne]

This thread does remind me of this one a lot....

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...t-ferrari-weird-letter-to-evo-magazine.91424/

....be warned that one make this look plausible (see if you can spot the oddest member in that thread).

That letter starts as if something genuinely interesting is going to happen, BUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS AMAZING, as the internet often says. That guy makes some of the nutters in here seem almost reasonable.