The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[Famine]

So I accidentally a conspiracy today.

Everyone in the world likes their toast done the same way. Yet toasters all have dials on them that vary from "bread" to "charcoal" and it takes us a lot of experimenting to find out where the dial should go to make the toast right. Then we never touch the dial again until we get a new toaster.

Sounds like a conspiracy between the toaster manufacturers and major bakers to me - or Big Bread, as I call it.

 

[Boone]

So I accidentally a conspiracy today.

Everyone in the world likes their toast done the same way. Yet toasters all have dials on them that vary from "bread" to "charcoal" and it takes us a lot of experimenting to find out where the dial should go to make the toast right. Then we never touch the dial again until we get a new toaster.

Sounds like a conspiracy between the toaster manufacturers and major bakers to me - or Big Bread, as I call it.

World's Worst Big Bread...headed by none other than Mr. Brannson er whatever.

 

[Enemem]

Famine and Boone, great way to go off topic. At least one of you should know better.

If they are spraying toxic chemicals into the atmosphere, all over the globe, aren't they killing themselves along with everyone else?

Yes. So you think they wouldn't do that. Anyone for a spot of fracking, everyone knows it's bad for the environment, but it's still happening.

And will moderators please stop telling people to edit posts, if it's easier not to the I'm not going to, mainly because everything gets lost and confusing. I'll address points as I find them, failing that Boone, Famine and 1081 should have a meeting and get a spokesman, so their responses are editted into one post.

 

[Dotini]

If they are spraying toxic chemicals into the atmosphere, all over the globe, aren't they killing themselves along with everyone else?

The theory is that the chemicals will make more clouds, reducing global warming and increasing the chances of rain.

But isn't this off-topic??

Isn't the topic of this thread the Illuminati??

Isn't it off-topic to introduce extraneous conspiracy theories? Or is it??

 

[Enemem]

The fact is, no one can name the Illuminati because they did exist but have since been dissolved[already stated], executed or otherwise become irrelevant in politics, and most importantly become the focus of disinfo agents because, surprise surprise, the Illuminati are a perfect scapegoat for the world's problems and even criminal actions.

Not a fact.

Nothing to trace. It keeps people like yourself who are well-meaning chasing their tails[speaking metaphorically]. The real enemy here is the paradox[which you're unfortunately trapped by]. There is an actionable need to question whether or not any organization, government or not, should have an ability to know every move you make. That's a reality which appears to have dropped a few notches down on your priority list...

To answer the real question, no. Information can give you power, to the state "****-off, it's none of your business".

 

[Dotini]

Probably the great secret and purpose of the gnostics, Illuminati, Rosicrucions, Masons, NWO, et al, is to form a global religion based on reincarnation - the ascending and descending of souls. They are opposed by traditional religions based on the idea that life is a one-time trip ending in judgment by god.

This Illuminati sort of religion allows its practitioner to more easily justify immoral acts.

 

[Enemem]

Implemented properly (and I've rarely seen it implemented improperly) a curriculum will provide a rounded base-set of skills that a teacher can use as a springboard for further teaching.

I don't see how that suits the minority and I certainly don't see that as Plato's cave. Clearly you disagree - I'm genuinely interested in why?

Have you been in a classroom in the last ten years and what about that experience turned you off modern teaching?

First of all Plato's Cave is a story, told in order to simplify the idea that some people don't know, what they don't know, and wouldn't believe it because it's so far from their reality-tunnel that they can't see it. Or, because admission that they're view is wrong would cause so much emotional trauma, that they refuse to be wrong inspite of the evidence.

I haven't been in the classroom, though my daughter has. And the methods taught at school, are not the way I was taught, and in no way are they superior. But they are off-topic anyway.

Long division, only way to do it. Works every time.

As to Conspiracy theory.

.... "In January 1967, shortly after Jim Garrison in New Orleans had started his prosecution of the CIA backgrounds of the murder, the CIA published a memo to all its stations, suggesting the use of the term “conspiracy theorists” for everyone criticizing the Warren Report findings. Until then the press and the public mostly used the term “assassination theories” when it came to alternative views of the “lone nut” Lee Harvey Oswald. But with this memo this changed and very soon “conspiracy theories” became what it is until today: a term to smear, denounce and defame anyone who dares to speak about any crime committed by the state, military or intelligence services. Before Edward Snowden anyone claiming a kind of total surveillance of internet and phone traffic would have been named a conspiracy nut; today everyone knows better." ...

Does anyone disagree with the above statement? It was not the origin of the term, but it the CIA did infer, at the very least, a change of meaning.

 

[Exorcet]

Before Edward Snowden anyone claiming a kind of total surveillance of internet and phone traffic would have been named a conspiracy nut

If they didn't provide evidence; in which case of course they would be branded such, and properly so.

Notice how Snowden isn't labeled a conspiracy theorist, and his story was true and widely accepted.

 

[Dotini]

If they didn't provide evidence; in which case of course they would be branded such, and properly so.

Notice how Snowden isn't labeled a conspiracy theorist, and his story was true and widely accepted.

And those who said the same thing before him now have enhanced credibility?

 

[Exorcet]

And those who said the same thing before him now have enhanced credibility?

It depends. Those who had no evidence and still have no evidence, have nothing to say.

If you can't prove something, then even if it's correct then you shouldn't expect anyone to believe you.

 

[Dotini]

It depends. Those who had no evidence and still have no evidence, have nothing to say.

If you can't prove something, then even if it's correct then you shouldn't expect anyone to believe you.

So does Assange now have more credibility?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/10/politics/nsa-leaks/

 

[Famine]

And those who said the same thing before him now have enhanced credibility?

Turning out to be right by accident is not a position of credibility.


Except in Vegas. But then what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

 

[Dotini]

Turning out to be right by accident is not a position of credibility.

Except in Vegas. But then what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

I take it that this thread is now open to general conspiracy theories (and more). I respectfully request the term Illuminati to be dropped from the thread title.

 

[Enemem]

A thread goes where it goes.

Turning out to be right by accident is not a position of credibility.

Except in Vegas. But then what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Being wrong on purpose, isn't either.

 

[Dotini]

A thread goes where it goes.

Until it doesn't. Moderators should keep things on topic, or change the topic.

Apparently, we have in our wisdom exhausted the Illuminati question.

So why not have a General Conspiracy thread in lieu of the more restrictive thread title??

 

[Enemem]

Moderators should be seen and not heard.

 

[Famine]

Being wrong on purpose, isn't either.

Broadly speaking, this is why it's wise to take an evidence-led position rather than asserting reality in accordance with one's own beliefs.

Until it doesn't. Moderators should keep things on topic, or change the topic.

Apparently, we have in our wisdom exhausted the Illuminati question.

So why not have a General Conspiracy thread in lieu of the more restrictive thread title??

Pick one.

Though they don't tend to live long - it's usually only a matter of a handful of posts before the ridiculous is debunked or gets even more ridiculous. I was part of the "British FBI" once, in the mind of a properly delusional conspiracist, simply for retaining an evidence-led position...

Moderators should be seen and not heard.

I'll take my guidance from the site owner, thanks.

In the meantime, yours is here and here. In particular, look over the part about double posting.

 

[TenEightyOne]

First of all Plato's Cave is a story, told in order to simplify the idea that some people don't know, what they don't know, and wouldn't believe it because it's so far from their reality-tunnel that they can't see it. Or, because admission that they're view is wrong would cause so much emotional trauma, that they refuse to be wrong inspite of the evidence....

Long division, only way to do it. Works every time.

I understand Plato's Cave, where I took you to task was in saying that Common Core curricula lead naturally to such a state in students.

Traditional Long Division is the only way to do it? In that statement you illustrate that not only do you have no idea of the large number of alternatives but you imply that nor do you have any knowledge of wider teaching practice.

You seem to be in the very place that you're worried a CC will place students?

 

[Dotini]

Pick one.

I would prefer those ancient threads to be locked. And for the present thread to renamed or simply clamped down a bit.

Really, common core curriculum and long division, important and interesting though they are, belong elsewhere.

Would anyone really care to know I keep a table of logarithms for bed-time reading?

 

[Boone]

Not a fact.


To answer the real question, no. Information can give you power, to the state "****-off, it's none of your business".

Name any current practicing illuminati member, with proof, or I'll never reserve the position that you cannot prove their existence. As one said earlier, I dare you. In response to this last part, you may need to re-word that as the message was received garbled and whiny. This conspiracy argument reminds me of people who claimed to have served as special forces soldiers conducting covert operations in Vietnam which were "too sensitive" to have on record. Actually, those same people were proven to know next to nothing about what it means to actually serve in the military. Otherwise, they'd know even the most secret of operatives has a paper trail. So, regardless of your credentials I'm still waiting for this information which seems so prevelant in your minds, yet so distant to the rest of us...

 

[GTPMcBride]

Is illuminati Real? Well it yes, but thats like a fun name, D Rockfeller is the main guy i believe, ive watched alot an read up alot on their history including Rothchilds, a big part of it comes from Jerusalem & Isreal. You have to watch it over an over, you either know the truth or you wont

 

[Encyclopedia]

Avoiding questions, telling other people to provide proof for your own claims then running away. It's all too familiar in this subject.

 

[Vagabond]

Moderators should be seen and not heard.

Is this a conspiracy theory of sorts or is just off topic and needlessly confrontational, based on the premise that staff should be robots that uphold the site rules but have no right to opinions?

 

[Dotini]

Nine bankers dead in the last few weeks. Did they know something we don't? Is this a conspiracy? The Forex and JP Morgan Chase seem to be common threads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/another-successful-banker-found-dead

 

[Enemem]

Name any current practicing illuminati member, with proof, or I'll never reserve the position that you cannot prove their existence. As one said earlier, I dare you.

Bollocks - You said the illuminati had folded. Do you have any evidence, or is the observation that you can't see them indicative of them not existing? It was your claim, not mine. If it's a fact that they've disbanded then you can prove it, otherwise it's just supposition. And yes, you will be thinking, aha but if you can't prove that any of them exist then they don't. Welcome to the world of "having to answer stupid questions".

Anyway Famine said I should use swearwords, if I want to.

Is this a conspiracy theory of sorts or is just off topic and needlessly confrontational, based on the premise that staff should be robots that uphold the site rules but have no right to opinions?

Depends, whether it's ontopic or not. But "telling people to edit posts" is ridiculous, that's like having a conversation whilst all the time being told to speak in a different accent. Bloody annoying, waste of time and stinks of petty-mindedness. Same number of characters in the thread, so what's the big deal. If anyone wants to edit my posts, because they've got OCD, that's fine.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Moderators enforcing board rules. What a strange thought.

 

[Dotini]

http://www.dailygrail.com/Alien-Nation/2014/2/UFOs-Finally-Turn-Documents-Leaked-Edward-Snowden
UFO's finally turn up in files leaked by Snowden.


https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...ning-new-generation-online-covert-operations/
This document is a Powerpoint presentation from the British intelligence agency GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters), titled simply enough "The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations", in which three of the fifty slides are images of 'UFOs'. Unfortunately, there is no text related to the images, so there could be a number of reasons for them being included - from pointing out people's belief systems, through to them possibly being part of actual psychological operations (psy-ops). The only clue might be that the images are listed under a heading of "Influence and Information Operations".

According to Glenn Greenwald:
"Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums."

 

[Ryanswannell]

There are also many other reasons why I don't believe it's real, but for now I would like to see your guy's opinions. As well, please keep it respectful if there are conflicting views.👍

After reading the last few pages, I think we are forgetting this bit of the OP. Please, I set this thread up to have a debate, not to throw around insults so that we can get this thread derailed or locked, like every other conspiracy thread on here.

 

[Enemem]

Moderators enforcing board rules. What a strange thought.

Except they're not. The double post rule is with regard to spamming, and I'm not. And it's off topic.

Do you think the Illuminati is real? Three options Yes, No, and Don't know.

If they're real say why, if they're not real say why, or answer don't know.

If the illuminati were real and have been disbanded then should have been an option in the poll. If the illuminati is a general term for a bunch of people in power who are conspiring to make themselves all-powerful, whilst at the same time subjugating the general populace then that's a place to start.

If long division isn't the best way then please, by any means, give me a better one.

 

[TenEightyOne]

If long division isn't the best way then please, by any means, give me a better one.

I didn't say it was "best", the point you seem to miss throughout is that a CC offers a base for appropriate student-specific teaching. What's "best" is a very subjective point.

It was you who said that the traditional way was the only way, which is incorrect. I think that demonstrates your lack of knowledge on the subject of curricala and their dissemination.