The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[Scaff]

If proof was given to you, most of you would still choose to deny it,

Then give it to us and see if we do, as so far you have utterly failed to provide a single bit of proof.

 

[MongooseEcho]

A paradox is something that is self-contradictory. Your posts are exactly that. You claim that the knowledge has been paid for with human life, that's how controlled it is. You then claim that much misinformation is spread. You can only hint at your own knowledge outside the very Google sites that must presumably be distrusted if you are to be believed.

That is a paradox, it doesn't go to the accuracy of any part of your belief, you simply are presenting something paradoxical by definition.

How do you know I've never researched this out of my own interest? You simply don't...you think my disagreement is based on a lack of knowledge but the only justification for that is your own opinion. I'm not saying if I have or not, simply that you don't know.

Perhaps I don't believe what you're saying simply because of the ridiculous way you're presenting it?

@BobK ... it was a COVERT nuclear war, do keep up.

You choose to see what is not there,

But I know you know nothing just by your comments,
Imagine trying to talk to someone about the finer points of a V8 engine, and all you get back is "the wheels on the bus go round and round" harsh but true,

How can you dispute something you know nothing about?
How can you have a valid criticism without out any knowledge of what is being discussed?

And your need for personal remarks shows you have nothing else,
And you think I'm ridiculous?

I don't mind people being ignorant, everyone starts at the beginning,
But I have no respect for people who choose to be,

 

[TenEightyOne]

You choose to see what is not there,

But I know you know nothing just by your comments,
Imagine trying to talk to someone about the finer points of a V8 engine, and all you get back is "the wheels on the bus go round and round" harsh but true,

How can you dispute something you know nothing about?
How can you have a valid criticism without out any knowledge of what is being discussed?

And your need for personal remarks shows you have nothing else,
And you think I'm ridiculous?

I don't mind people being ignorant, everyone starts at the beginning,
But I have no respect for people who choose to be,

There is nothing there. Share some of your knowledge here in the form of actual statements rather than links to vaguery and mumbled phrases warning that the man in black knows the tide is turning.

Put some real facts for us to look at, our (mostly) negative reactions are result of your hostility to anyone who questions the lack of evidence, science or logical reasoning to support your so-far ludicrous statements.

Are you Harold Branson?

 

[MongooseEcho]

Then give it to us and see if we do, as so far you have utterly failed to provide a single bit of proof.

Get off your ass and get it yourself,
Put your own sweat in to the research, you would value it more,
I said I would help you, not carry your dead weight,

The two link I have already given you, by two different people, in two different parts of the world, at two different times,
Yet their info meshes,

 

[Dan]

Get off your ass and get it yourself,

Classy. This should be good. *Grabs popcorn*

 

[TenEightyOne]

Get off your ass and get it yourself,
Put your own sweat in to the research, you would value it more,
I said I would help you, not carry your dead weight,

Your attitude sucks as badly as your hypothesis.

EDIT: Ooh, just saw who your reply was to.

@CallmeDan , pass some popcorn, here's a coupla beers.

 

[Scaff]

Get off your ass and get it yourself,

Cut the attitude or you will be leaving.

Put your own sweat in to the research, you would value it more,
I said I would help you, not carry your dead weight,

Your claim so you provide the proof, that is how it works and its not a negotiable point.

The two link I have already given you, by two different people, in two different parts of the world, at two different times,
Yet their info meshes,

None of which so far constitutes proof of any sort.

 

[MongooseEcho]

Classy. This should be good. *Grabs popcorn*

I grow tired of replying to people who argue out of nothing, and expect me to do everything for them,
I'm not here to jump through hoops,

 

[Scaff]

I grow tired of replying to people who argue out of nothing, and expect me to do everything for them,
I'm not here to jump through hoops,

I repeat for the last time.

You make the claim, you provide the proof, as so far you are the one arguing out of nothing, because in terms of proof that's exactly what you have provided.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I grow tired of replying to people who argue out of nothing, and expect me to do everything for them,
I'm not here to jump through hoops,

The nothing we're arguing out of is the same nothing that you've provided to support your theory.

The way it works here is that you provide some evidence or facts to support an opinion, then it's debated, contributed to, argued about... you've done nothing of the sort, maybe you're actually Illuminati trying to trick us into weeding out sources for you? Hmm...

EDIT: Beaten to the nothingness by Scaff

 

[Dan]

I grow tired of replying to people who argue out of nothing, and expect me to do everything for them,
I'm not here to jump through hoops,

Maybe it's just me, (or it's the AUP you agreed to when signing up here) but I'm pretty sure you need to provide clear evidence to make your points valid, not some links to garbage or telling people to wake up and look around. Look at what?

@CallmeDan , pass some popcorn, here's a coupla beers.

Maybe, in a few years.

 

[Famine]

So, if it's covert you can't find out about it right,

That would be the point of being covert.

Did they tell you why they want your guns?

Kneejerk reaction to Hungerford and Dunblane.

why the DHS has bought up 1.6 billion bullets? (this is homeland security, why would the need enough bullets to put six bullets in every man woman and child in the U.S)

Perhaps we're looking to start a total war with the USA.

Why do they have drones flying over your head?

RAF Lakenheath is their base.

Why are they giving APCs to the police?

Most of our police can't drive Astra panda cars (hey, APC, neat), so that's not a problem.

Do you want to criticise me out of ignorance?

No, more lightly mock you from a point of actually owning some knowledge.

The illuminati are secret, you say - but you know about them.
The illuminati are a covert yet massive conspiracy, you say - yet information exists about them on the internet (not even darknet!) cached by Google, the #1 search engine, for you to show us.
The illuminati lie to everyone, even their own people, you say - but you know the truth about them.

Have you not noticed how self-defeating this is? A conspiracy of lies that you know the truth about?

Of course the simplest way for that to be true is if you are in the illuminati - you have knowledge of it requiring you to be within the conspiracy and are not only reticent to share actual evidence but actively sharing standard disinformation cover stories like chemtrails...

 

[MongooseEcho]

Cut the attitude or you will be leaving.

Not attitude, just growing tired of mindless groundless argument,
How can you have a valid discussion on a subject without any knowledge of the subject?

Haa the wonders of internet forums,

Your claim so you provide the proof, that is how it works and its not a negotiable point.

Sorry but you don't get to dictate me,
I'm was here to help, not do all your lifting,

Proof given, decode it...

None of which so far constitutes proof of any sort.

Then you can't see what you are looking at,
Go away and think about it for awhile, it will dawn on you at some point...

But I'll give you this:
Stock up on food and water for at least two weeks,
For when the dollar collapses,


Adios

 

[TenEightyOne]

Maybe, in a few years.

Damn, I just offered a minor beer. On the internet. I'm through.

@MongooseEcho , you've got our attention... now is the time to state some facts of your own.

Sum up the issue for us, explain who is who and what you know.

I'd love to discuss it reasonably with you, so far there isn't anything posted here to discuss other than a vague cover-all statement.

EDIT: Scaff does get to dictate your actions here, he's a moderator protecting the 1st Amendment rights of the privately owned website where you're posting. He has legal protection to dictate all your publicly-visible actions here.

 

[Scaff]

Not attitude, just growing tired of mindless groundless argument,
How can you have a valid discussion on a subject without any knowledge of the subject?

Haa the wonders of internet forums,




Sorry but you don't get to dictate me,
I'm was here to help, not do all your lifting,

Proof given, decode it...



Then you can't see what you are looking at,
Go away and think about it for awhile, it will dawn on you at some point...

But I'll give you this:
Stock up on food and water for at least two weeks,
For when the dollar collapses,


Adios

Your not a member of staff here, you do not get to dictate that we provide your proof for you.

When you joined you agreed to follow the AUP, part of which includes:

• You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate.

As such the onus is on you to validate the claims you make, and no you have not provided proof at all. Should you continue with this attitude and refusal to follow the AUP then the appropriate action will be taken.

 

[Dan]

Your not a member of staff here, you do not get to dictate that we provide your proof for you.

When you joined you agreed to follow the AUP, part of which includes:

• You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate.

As such the onus is on you to validate the claims you make, and no you have not provided proof at all. Should you continue with this attitude and refusal to follow the AUP then the appropriate action will be taken.

He's had enough opportunities to provide proof (Which he hasn't), don't you think?

 

[Ryanswannell]

@MongooseEcho I would like you to answer me this very simple question, if you may.

After this 'secret organisation' has done such a poor job of keeping themselves so secret, how would you expect them to successfully pull off a massive operation that involves overpowering over 8 billion people, in addition to the many governements with huge armies all over the world, and then putting every single one of us into a FEMA camp which none of us have ever seen?

 

[Dan]

I would like to know as well.

 

[r0llinlacs]

There is far too much to explain and until the individual researches the subject for years on their own merits, along with a basic understanding of modern history, psychology, sociology, politics, economics, and religion, they will not grasp understanding of the tidbits of information we can provide off the top of our heads, which in essence makes this whole thread a pointless, endless thread of immature bashing.

You know you've already won when your competition resorts to personal attacks and childish name calling. On that note, I will not be returning to this thread as there is nothing productive happening here. Just a bunch of arrogant bickering and power flexing admins.

Good luck to you all on your information journey

 

[Castrol96]

It's weird, seems that every opinions and current events thread at least has AUP rules broken, which I even did once. Discussing and sharing thoughts doesn't seem to be a comfortable place for gtplanet.

 

[Ryanswannell]

There is far too much to explain and until the individual researches the subject for years on their own merits, along with a basic understanding of modern history, psychology, sociology, politics, economics, and religion, they will not grasp understanding of the tidbits of information we can provide off the top of our heads, which in essence makes this whole thread a pointless, endless thread of immature bashing.

You know you've already won when your competition resorts to personal attacks and childish name calling. On that note, I will not be returning to this thread as there is nothing productive happening here. Just a bunch of arrogant bickering and power flexing admins.

Good luck to you all on your information journey

I didn't bash you or resort to calling you names, but I did ask a very simple and reasonable question, which was completely on-topic.

But you skirted around the question, which leads me to believe either A: you don't have an answer, or B: your trolling.

 

[TenEightyOne]

It's weird, seems that every opinions and current events thread at least has AUP rules broken, which I even did once. Discussing and sharing thoughts doesn't seem to be a comfortable place for gtplanet.

We're discussing a thought that's been shared in brief but without any actual supporting evidence.

The mods have made it clear that such information is required but every request for it is met with hostility and accusations of underhand personal offence. We're invited on an information journey that it seems most of us have no interest in going on.

If you want to start a discussion here the mods are very open to that. If you want to perpetuate debate on the subject you need to produce some facts at some point. 9 pages in to this thread we have nothing.

 

[Exorcet]

There is far too much to explain and until the individual researches the subject for years on their own merits, along with a basic understanding of modern history, psychology, sociology, politics, economics, and religion, they will not grasp understanding of the tidbits of information we can provide off the top of our heads

Then why even tell people to look for themselves? Why not teach. That how it works in education. You don't go to a university and have them kick you out and tell you to find all the info required for a degree by yourself.

Also, look at your claim. It takes years to learn. This could be true, or it might not be, and if someone has to disprove it through doing it, it's years wasted. So you get to throw around your claim freely and lazily. This is why you won't get anywhere if you keep pretending that it's other people's job to prove your story for you.

As far as knowledge goes, this forum has that covered, and at more than a basic level in many cases.

You know you've already won when your competition resorts to personal attacks and childish name calling. On that note, I will not be returning to this thread as there is nothing productive happening here. Just a bunch of arrogant bickering and power flexing admins.

A few questions asked to your side have been totally ignored, and requests for proof were met with "do it yourself". I'm not sure that the pro Illuminati side has simply been mocked or unfairly treated. There were plenty of chances given to simply provide what you claim to know.

It's weird, seems that every opinions and current events thread at least has AUP rules broken, which I even did once. Discussing and sharing thoughts doesn't seem to be a comfortable place for gtplanet.

This is one of the best places for discussing and sharing thoughts, but that alone makes it hard for people to participate if theycan't take being challenged.

 

[Andrew R]

Hahaha well this thread got very interesting while I was at work. Read those links, seems to provide no actual information, just talk about major events that if you completely disregard actual fact and substitute it for scattered points of reference that loosely relate back to their beliefs (just like any other conspiracy theory), you could almost believe it if you 're the kind of person that needs to put their lives in the hands of some other group to tell them how to live it. Anyone got a link to a better rundown of how they believe they hae orchestrated all these major events?

It's a genuinely interesting theory I would like to read about just to understand their point of view.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Comedic and off-topic, but for some reason reading this story on today's Daily Mash made me think of this thread

 

[Carbonox]

@MongooseEcho @r0llinlacs, you two certainly amuse me. After you're driven into a corner, all you can do is bitch and whine about a moderator doing his job and ragequit from this discussion. Oh well, I shouldn't be surprised, seeing as that's rather common amongst delusional people of your kind who can't accept any viewpoints that differ from yours.

 

[Andrew R]

I particularly liked the "you want hard evidence? I don't have any handy so you'll have to find it yourself" stance. Imagine if scientists used that argument.

 

[Vegard]

If they are spraying toxic chemicals into the atmosphere, all over the globe, aren't they killing themselves along with everyone else?

 

[TenEightyOne]

If they are spraying toxic chemicals into the atmosphere, all over the globe, aren't they killing themselves along with everyone else?

I think they have bottles of special Jupiter-moon-gas given to them by David Icke, Reptilian King. Not to be confused with Martin Luther King, he's Ann Branson's father.

 

[Boone]

The reality given to you by who?
The media?
If you can control someone's perceptions you can control their thinking,
If you control their thinking you control their doing,

Who do you think controls the media?
Why does the NSA need to monitor you?, abusing the U.S Constitution while the do it,

Go look up Deprograming cult members, (I dare you)
And compare the types of argument on this thread, that's what media can do to you,

If proof was given to you, most of you would still choose to deny it,

And don't use wiki (something anyone can alter) as a source of information,

There are are ex illuminati disclosers but some of them are a mix of truth and lies/disinfo,

For,
illuminati whistleblower "they worship lucifer"
On YouTube,

Then there's Mark Cleminson, or Svali (be cautious I believe there is disinfo wrapped with truth with her)
Just try googling ex illuminati,

Honest question: Do you work for Google?