The infamous ultimate supercar thread.

[MCubed]

There goes my trust/support. Why lie about something like that? What possible advantage could you gain?

OH 🤬 I DIDNT SEE THAT POST ABOVE
uh.. sorry?

 

[mPWRD]

You've had plenty of advice on here, it's just a question of if you noticed it or ignored it because it wasn't what you wanted to hear. Not all advice is good advice but it is advice all the same, and not all good advice has to be the kind of advice that tickles the ears. You've shot your foot off with regards to the GTP community lying about the M3, trust goes a long way. No one on here knows you from Adam, but we do know you lied about the M3, how do you expect us to take your grand idea of building your own supercar? If you are serious I maintain that I wish you good luck, but you need a lot of common sense to take charge of a big project and when it comes to looking for incestment either financially or in terms of man power then trust goes a long way. That's something you didn't manage to get here before your story about the M3, it's a lot more to ask for now. Think about that.

Trust me: I took and will still take all the advice I can get. How much I get on this forum, I have no idea. Probably not much. But even if you give me questions, I will interpret it as advice. Because it usually is.

@ mPWRD: Thanks for having the dignity to come forward and admit what we all suspected all along. 👍
Can't have been an easy decision, and I hope that you've learned from your mistake. But kudos for doing it.
You've lost a little credibility here by lying in the first place, but have now given yourself a chance to rebuild your reputation by continuing your membership here from this point forth in fully accordance with the AUP.

Yep. And please keep in mind that I have worked with cars such as the Escort and a few other projects, and that I am not the completely uneducated bum you all think I am.

With that said, if you still wish for me to close this thread, I will.

No, don't bother. I want to see how many replies and what kind of replies I get. If I don't get anything worthwhile, then I will notify you and move on to other potential sources.

Given the changes to the thread title and your request for suggestions I suggest that the thread now continues on that topic, and on that topic alone, and the paragraph below speaks for itself.

Please note: This serves as a reminder that from this point forth the topic of discussion for this thread is to be confined to that requested in the first post & title.
The unfortunate chapter of false claims and subsequent retraction and apology for this by mPWRD effectively leave this matter closed. There should be no further discussion, flaming or baiting within this thread by anyone in relation to this issue, official warnings and / or infractions may be issued to members failing to heed this public warning.

Amen to that. I was trying to go with the no flaming or baiting from the start, but all those posts that said, and I quote: "Dream on, dreamer." (Imakuni, post 18) and "I have a degree in LEGO Engineering!" (buickgnx88, post 59) and "enjoy going bankrupt" (Imakuni again, post 72), "you're 13 and are trolling us all" (Eric., post 74), "I think this is a secret account of Doug's" (YSSMAN, post 86), " an electric supercharger" (Famine, post 123), "you clearly do not have a plan" (TSLeng, post 132), "Doomed to fail" (neanderthal, post 149), all pissed the crap out of me. If someone is criticizing you, your plans, and your lifelong ambition, wouldn't you be pissed as well? I'm sure that if you go back over the thread, you will find many quotes such as those above.

To quote daan: "This is an open forum and anybody can post their view whether you like it or not." Very true, but think about it. If someone is bashing on your dreams, what would you do? The M3 fiasco was just me overreacting to what you guys said. So next time someone posts something similar to what I did (and there might be more), think before you post. What if you were on the receiving end? However, if you're highly unambitious, then I cant help you

There goes my trust/support. Why lie about something like that? What possible advantage could you gain?

OH 🤬 I DIDNT SEE THAT POST ABOVE
uh.. sorry?

It's ok, and completely understandable. If you are like MCubed and have lost all faith in this project, please private message me.

Thanks all.

 

[neanderthal]

Amen to that. I was trying to go with the no flaming or baiting from the start, but all those posts that said, and I quote: "Dream on, dreamer." (Imakuni, post 18) and "I have a degree in LEGO Engineering!" (buickgnx88, post 59) and "enjoy going bankrupt" (Imakuni again, post 72), "you're 13 and are trolling us all" (Eric., post 74), "I think this is a secret account of Doug's" (YSSMAN, post 86), " an electric supercharger" (Famine, post 123), "you clearly do not have a plan" (TSLeng, post 132), "Doomed to fail" (neanderthal, post 149), all pissed the crap out of me. If someone is criticizing you, your plans, and your lifelong ambition, wouldn't you be pissed as well? I'm sure that if you go back over the thread, you will find many quotes such as those above.

To quote daan: "This is an open forum and anybody can post their view whether you like it or not." Very true, but think about it. If someone is bashing on your dreams, what would you do? The M3 fiasco was just me overreacting to what you guys said. So next time someone posts something similar to what I did (and there might be more), think before you post. What if you were on the receiving end? However, if you're highly unambitious, then I cant help you

Thanks all.

You failed the smell test. You repeatedly contradicted yourself. Moreover, your supercilious arrogant attitude towards your detractors had quite a few of us scrutineering your comments. And rightfully so in hindsight.

I'd normally offer some advice here but quite frankly you are an ..... (3 letter word, rhymes with bass.) so I'm going to withhold it instead.

"If someone was bashing on your dreams, what would you do?"

First of all, I wouldn't undermine my own integrity by lying about something related to my dreams; that's the first step towards failure. I keep both feet firmly planted on terra firma, as do several of us who called you out, something YOU failed to realise.

However, if you're highly unambitious, then I cant help you

Even when you've been caught in your lie, you are still trying to paint us in a negative light with your sourpuss comments.

Erm, in case you didn't keep up with the score, it was mPWRD for the lose, GTP community for the win. Your hubris in this regard has won you no favour in my eyes, and i'm sure, in the eyes of many others. Your trite non apology is ***NOT*** accepted. It is sorely lacking in contrition.

To prevent my entire post being banned i'm going to state something on topic as stated by the moderators.

Building the ultimate supercar? Start with a designer who has integrity.

 

[Boffin]

@ mPWRD:
Please note: This serves as a reminder that from this point forth the topic of discussion for this thread is to be confined to that requested in the first post & title.
The unfortunate chapter of false claims and subsequent retraction and apology for this by mPWRD effectively leave this matter closed. There should be no further discussion, flaming or baiting within this thread by anyone in relation to this issue, official warnings and / or infractions may be issued to members failing to heed this public warning.

Smallhorses

I'd watch out neanderthal if I were you....you took it to far


Any way. Being the person who build bridges and holds faith, I'm going to get this back on track:

mPWRD. (and this is not a flame) I honestly believe you should set your sights low in order to succeed. I mean, in order to acheive 200mph, one has to design EVERY little component to withstand those forces. May I suggest something more simple running along the lines of an elise in terms of power to weight ratio? Make a track weapon before the autobahn weapon eh?
(and before anyone says supercars are track weapons? only the high grade porsches are. Anything else is just to unreliable and there are numerous videos on youtube showing tuned small hatchbacks beating lambos at places like brands hatch)
Anyway, seeing as I'd love to do this too, I'm still in.

 

[MCubed]

Ok, I still support you, but you lost a lot of respect right there. Still, good luck.

 

[Famine]

I was trying to go with the no flaming or baiting from the start, but all those posts that said ... "an electric supercharger" (Famine, post 123) ... all pissed the crap out of me. If someone is criticizing you, your plans, and your lifelong ambition, wouldn't you be pissed as well?

Really? I recall mentioning the electric supercharger and giving you a link to a site which manufactures them, and you saying it's interesting and something you hadn't considered. I don't recall you being "pissed" about it.

Though it was, of course, a test. Anyone with any engineering nous - and I don't class myself in that category even slightly - would have taken one look at that site and rolled their eyes. They can't even get the rotation of the screws right in their "how it works" animation. "Interesting" isn't how an engineer would describe it. "Snake oil for smacktards" would be nearer the mark.

 

[Boffin]

I think an electric supercharger would work if it worked properly. It wouldn't take any mechanical power from the driveshaft (or whereever it comes from - I forget) but it would suck a whole load from whatever power source you have. I guess you could program it to kick in only at full throttle.

 

[bergauk]

I think an electric supercharger would work if it worked properly. It wouldn't take any mechanical power from the driveshaft (or whereever it comes from - I forget) but it would suck a whole load from whatever power source you have. I guess you could program it to kick in only at full throttle.

You'd need a heavy duty alternator for that to work. Though the near infinite torque from 0rpm to whatever it went to would be great. Still, you'd need an alternator capable of running that nonstop along with whatever is in the car as well.

 

[Jay]

Still, you'd need an alternator capable of running that nonstop along with whatever is in the car as well.

Which..... robs lotsa powerz!

 

[niky]

The only electric supercharger that actually works is the Thomas Knight kit.

That's three handwound electric motors mated to one shaft, producing 15 hp, enough to give it (if memory serves me right) the same amount of boost as a small, 7 psi turbocharger on a 4 cylinder motor. Getting any more out of it is problematic, as it takes several extra batteries, can only produce boost for very short periods of time.

(waitaminute... gotta google... it's been almost a decade since I last read about it...) My mistake, 10 psi of boost. Still, for very short periods of time, before the batteries are drained and require recharging.

Aside from that one kit, nothing else on the market works. Many people point out that electric motors can run at higher rpms than turbos, and can push so-and-so cfm, so they should produce boost. B.S. You're not looking at just moving air. You're looking at creating positive pressure in the manifold. It takes about 15-30 hp worth of power to create that pressure. Much more than the 1-2 hp most small electrics make. Most commercial motors that have enough power are way too big to use inside the engine bay... and logic dictates once you have a motor that is pushing out over 50 hp, you might as well hook that to the wheels, instead.

And... the Thomas Knight kit costs about as much as a turbo... (once you include the cost of fast-charging batteries and other stuff, like engine management and fuel control... which they don't provide) which will give you as much boost or more with less complication.

And (again)... looking at their site... they've replaced their 15hp hand-wound super-motor with a smaller 8 hp one that'll push out... 5-6 psi... that's good for one "YIP-..."

 

[Clark]

Just some advice, before all of this talkk about powertrain and 200mph and what not. You'll need to make sure you have a way of designing a body that is low drag enough for a top speed, without providing dangerous amounts of life, while still being able to accomodate cooling.

And apologies if this souns like flaming baiting. But i guess you could say I'm supporting this, I'd like to see the results (how ever many years it takes).

 

[Jay]

@niky: 5-6psi (or 10) on what motor though, on a small engine I imagine, on something medium-large 10 psi means a truck load or torque. Flow rate is more important to know.

 

[Eric.]

"you're 13 and are trolling us all" (Eric., post 74)

Of course, if you used that whole line you would have seen that I had said:

Then post your experience. You say you've got so much work done (you know exactly what the car is going to do and such as you have performance figures) so show something. Show a CAD drawing of it, some sort of engine specs even. From all we know, you're 13 and are trolling us all.

There is quite a difference in what I said (which was just asking for proof that you weren't 13 and trolling us) and me calling you 13 and a troll (your post).

But as per Smallhorses, I'm done here. I'm leaving unconvinced as there hasn't been a bit of proof provided for this project, but lies have been uncovered.

Whatever.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I'd watch out neanderthal if I were you....you took it to far

However I have to say that I 100% agree with neanderthal.

@ mPWRD: Thanks for having the dignity to come forward and admit what we all suspected all along. 👍
Can't have been an easy decision, and I hope that you've learned from your mistake.

The unfortunate chapter of false claims and subsequent retraction and apology for this by mPWRD effectively leave this matter closed.

Smallhorses

I also have to say that I did not see any apology. And clearly mPWRD did not learn from his mistakes as like neanderthal said he keeps making excuses for his mistakes even after the issue was supposed to be closed. I was going to PM him, but I don't even think it's worth it. This is my last post regarding this issue and I will take it to PMs if I have to reply to someone.

That said I wish mPWRD good luck with the project if he is as serious as he wants us to believe.

 

[niky]

@niky: 5-6psi (or 10) on what motor though, on a small engine I imagine, on something medium-large 10 psi means a truck load or torque. Flow rate is more important to know.

That's the trouble. The first Knight charger had more merit, but downgrading to an 8 hp motor good for "6 psi" (and likely only on a four-banger) seriously affects the unit's credibility.

Others have flirted with the idea (as well as the more radical "steam charger", driven by exhaust heat instead of flow) but apparently mechanical superchargers are here to stay.

 

[neanderthal]

I'd watch out neanderthal if I were you....you took it to far

By stating the obvious? At least I didn't lie. Like some non contrite people I could mention.

A rose by any other name still has thorns.

 

[Boffin]

Yeah? And a public warning by a moderator has no second meaning. Work that one out. - give the guy a break! Lets be constructive instead of destructive. If mPWRD wants to make sports car, I say go ahead. The only reason he lied was because his credentials were being questioned by people who reckoned they knew more than him (bar one notable example who knew ALOT more). As long as there's passion, I'm willing to help - isn't that what this forum's for?

Anyway, I was thinking. Like the atom, drop hyabusa engines for light track car power and source the power from an old type R. That would go quite fast in anyone's book.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Yeah? And a public warning by a moderator has no second meaning. Work that one out. - give the guy a break! Lets be constructive instead of destructive. If mPWRD wants to make sports car, I say go ahead. The only reason he lied was because his credentials were being questioned by people who reckoned they knew more than him (bar one notable example who knew ALOT more). As long as there's passion, I'm willing to help - isn't that what this forum's for?

To be a hypocrite, I will just hint that *thepublicwarningalsoappliestoyou*

 

[neanderthal]

I rather like the idea of using motorcycle engines.
With a sufficiently low kerb weight and (for example) Hayabusa based V8, that could be some serious urge.

Yeah? And a public warning by a moderator has no second meaning. Work that one out. - give the guy a break! Lets be constructive instead of destructive. If mPWRD wants to make sports car, I say go ahead. The only reason he lied was because his credentials were being questioned by people who reckoned they knew more than him (bar one notable example who knew ALOT more). As long as there's passion, I'm willing to help - isn't that what this forum's for?

Anyway, I was thinking. Like the atom, drop hyabusa engines for light track car power and source the power from an old type R. That would go quite fast in anyone's book.

Gee thanks mom. I wasnt aware that the moderator had warned me.

Guess what, i'm a big boy. He can warn me, he can ban me. I can live with the consequences of my actions.

I would argue that he lied to increase his "credentials."
Lying on your CV is inexcusable.

 

[Leonidae]

Anyway, back on topic. How would you guys approach a task like this? would you build the chassis first, and then choose an engine for it, or build the chassis around the engine? what about suspension? would it be McPherson strut, double wishbone or trailing arm suspension, or bit of this and that?

 

[Boffin]

Anyway, back on topic. How would you guys approach a task like this? would you build the chassis first, and then choose an engine for it, or build the chassis around the engine? what about suspension? would it be McPherson strut, double wishbone or trailing arm suspension, or bit of this and that?

Well, as I've said before, you have to work out where the drive is coming from and where it's going - this will help design the perfect chassis. Suspension wise, I think wishbones.

 

[mPWRD]

Hmm... I've let this thread pan out on its own for a while... good thing I did. Glad to see we're back on topic.

I don't know what you guys think, but instead of going for an all-out Atom-style track toy, how about creating a chassis and a body for the actual full-out supercar, but put a smaller powerplant in, along with less weight, to create a base platform which we can add to later? Slightly like a Mosler - less weight, a bit less power, same supercar looks and performance.

Venari says - and I agree with him - that tires are slightly more important than suspension. That said, I'm leaning towards Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. If you have connections at tire companies who can make custom tires, then by all means fire away. But for now, I think that's what we're going to have to build around.

@Leonidae: You would build the chassis and suspension first, then choose an engine and a gearbox which would work best. It's going to be mid-engined, rwd, so I'm probably going to go with double wishbone up front. For the rear, though, I'm thinking multilink...

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I also have to say that I did not see any apology. And clearly mPWRD did not learn from his mistakes as like neanderthal said he keeps making excuses for his mistakes even after the issue was supposed to be closed.

I have to agree with this as well.

Just wondering... I admit that I was joking/lying about the M3 but I was and still am truthful about everything else... you want to stop pestering me now and give suggestions/feedback like the title of the thread is asking you to?

If that's an apology, then it's one of the most disguised and worst efforts I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Finally admitting you are joking/lying is in no way an apology... and frankly, there is nothing funny what so ever about lying to people, and getting into defensive arguments based on and to protect your lies.

And as ROAD_DOGG33J said, it still seems like your are making excuses and insulting some of the people who at first were willing to put aside their disbelief.


On a positive note, I know of at least two cases among the GTP community where highly regarded members were caught in a massive web of lies that they had told over a long period of time... a lot worse than what you have done in this thread and who knows where else.

A lot of members were extremely upset, and understandably so, as a lot of trust had been built up and for obvious reason knocked down. There was even a lot of talk about how they should get permanently banned.

Fortunately though, both did finally come clean, and made meaningful and heartfelt apologies to the entire GTP community. And as far as I know, they also came clean about everything.

Instead of getting banned, or slipping of into Internet obscurity, over the many months following their outing, they re-established their credibility in GTP and became extremely popular members that contributed a great deal to this site.

I certainly hope you'll follow their example... show some real humility and honesty, come clean about EVERYTHING, and apologize for it like you actually mean it, and move forward from there without making any more excuses or shifting any blame off on something or somebody else.

If you can do all that, I firmly believe, like others before you, you'll become a great contributor to this site, and will discover there are many people here who will grow to trust and respect your opinions, and who will gladly share theirs with you, and even lend you a hand when possible.

GTP is not your typical forum, and I mean that in the best possible way, and I hope you can see that, and want to be the kind of member that makes it such a great site.

 

[Eric.]

I have to agree with this as well.




If that's an apology, then it's one of the most disguised and worst efforts I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Finally admitting you are joking/lying is in no way an apology... and frankly, there is nothing funny what so ever about lying to people, and getting into defensive arguments based on and to protect your lies.

And as ROAD_DOGG33J said, it still seems like your are making excuses and insulting some of the people who at first were willing to put aside their disbelief.


On a positive note, I know of at least two cases among the GTP community where highly regarded members were caught in a massive web of lies that they had told over a long period of time... a lot worse than what you have done in this thread and who knows where else.

A lot of members were extremely upset, and understandably so, as a lot of trust had been built up and for obvious reason knocked down. There was even a lot of talk about how they should get permanently banned.

Fortunately though, both did finally come clean, and made meaningful and heartfelt apologies to the entire GTP community. And as far as I know, they also came clean about everything.

Instead of getting banned, or slipping of into Internet obscurity, over the many months following their outing, they re-established their credibility in GTP and became extremely popular members that contributed a great deal to this site.

I certainly hope you'll follow their example... show some real humility and honesty, come clean about EVERYTHING, and apologize for it like you actually mean it, and move forward from there without making any more excuses or shifting any blame off on something or somebody else.

If you can do all that, I firmly believe, like others before you, you'll become a great contributor to this site, and will discover there are many people here who will grow to trust and respect your opinions, and who will gladly share theirs with you, and even lend you a hand when possible.

GTP is not your typical forum, and I mean that in the best possible way, and I hope you can see that, and want to be the kind of member that makes it such a great site.

+1 QFT.


I didn't post anything like that due to Smallhorses' warning, but thats just how I feel about this.

 

[Joey D]

Anyway, back on topic. How would you guys approach a task like this?

Agreed, back on topic.

To go about building a supercar, I think I would probably start with the chassis and go from their. My mechanical know how isn't great so I won't get into specifics. I'd keep the car as light at possible using various material, mainly carbon fibre I suppose. I guess I would try to replicate something similar to the Lotus Exige and make a go-kart for the road. I think the idea of having a tuned I4 works quite well, especially since it would be cheaper and easier to work with.

You can get an Exige brand new in the states for $66,000 according to the website so I would say that would be a good price goal to shoot for, although with shed built supercars I'm guessing that wouldn't be possible.

Another idea would be to do like Tesla did (I know they aren't supercars) and modify an existing Elise to make it something else. There are plenty of small cars out there to choose from if the Elise didn't really work, you could probably even use a Solstice for something a bit different.

I'm not really sure how I would go about it, the modifying and existing platform seems much easier and cost effect although it takes a lot of the soul out of the developed vehicle because you let someone else figure just about everything out for you. Obviously developing your own chassis, engine, etc. would be much more expensive and there would be a lot of trial and error, but if you had the money to do so I think the car would have more soul and therefore be a better car.

Also, if I were to be part of a supercar development team though, I'd go for marketing. I sell expensive and odd things everyday to collectors all over the world so I have to imagine selling a car has to be easier. In the words of Clarkson "How hard can it be?"

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Here's an idea, maybe as a forum if we aren't going to build a real supercar we could just do it virtually? Come up with all the specifics and debate idea about why we think we should do it X way. It would be something fun to do without an hideous amount of cash being out laid on a project that would probably fail. And hey if we are successful maybe PD would put it in GT .

 

[Philly]

Here's an idea, maybe as a forum if we aren't going to build a real supercar we could just do it virtually? Come up with all the specifics and debate idea about why we think we should do it X way. It would be something fun to do without an hideous amount of cash being out laid on a project that would probably fail. And hey if we are successful maybe PD would put it in GT .

VWVortex does something similar to this from time to time. They'll put up a poll every couple days asking what type of engine it should have, the drivetrain setup and the number of doors ect. And then there'd be a thread for users to submit their exterior designs and we could all vote on which we like the best.

 

[mPWRD]

Fortunately though, both did finally come clean, and made meaningful and heartfelt apologies to the entire GTP community. And as far as I know, they also came clean about everything.

Seeing as that most of the lies on this thread (which are relatively minuscule, according to you) were sparked by negativity, flaming and baiting on the part of other members, it's quite hard to write a heartfelt apology while keeping those few people in mind. To those who felt like this project was going to go a long way, it still can. To those who originally believed and then lost all belief in this project, I sincerely apologize. To those who never believed in the first place...

If you can do all that, I firmly believe, like others before you, you'll become a great contributor to this site, and will discover there are many people here who will grow to trust and respect your opinions, and who will gladly share theirs with you, and even lend you a hand when possible.

Yup. Thanks!

Agreed, back on topic.

+1

To go about building a supercar, I think I would probably start with the chassis and go from their. My mechanical know how isn't great so I won't get into specifics. I'd keep the car as light at possible using various material, mainly carbon fibre I suppose. I guess I would try to replicate something similar to the Lotus Exige and make a go-kart for the road. I think the idea of having a tuned I4 works quite well, especially since it would be cheaper and easier to work with.

Again... Mosler style. I'm going for wide and low-slung, but seriously light. Carbon fiber monocoque protecting the driver with aluminum subframes supporting the rest of the car. Custom suspension and possibly a dual-clutch ZF transmission. Propulsion is still open. Could be a twin-turbo Duratec V6 if we want lightness or more likely an LS3. Depending on the connections I get, all of this could change.

You can get an Exige brand new in the states for $66,000 according to the website so I would say that would be a good price goal to shoot for, although with shed built supercars I'm guessing that wouldn't be possible.

You guessed right. This is going to be a helluva lot more expensive than the Exige, as Lotus has years of experience, a computerized factory, and a larger market. Hopefully, this is also going to be a helluva lot faster.

I'm not really sure how I would go about it, the modifying and existing platform seems much easier and cost effect although it takes a lot of the soul out of the developed vehicle because you let someone else figure just about everything out for you. Obviously developing your own chassis, engine, etc. would be much more expensive and there would be a lot of trial and error, but if you had the money to do so I think the car would have more soul and therefore be a better car.

Exactly. Which is why I might use individual parts or components from existing cars, but not the entier thing. Tuning is one thing. Building is another.

Also, if I were to be part of a supercar development team though, I'd go for marketing. I sell expensive and odd things everyday to collectors all over the world so I have to imagine selling a car has to be easier. In the words of Clarkson "How hard can it be?"

So does that mean you're in? If so, good. Because I can't speak legal-ese.

Here's an idea, maybe as a forum if we aren't going to build a real supercar we could just do it virtually? Come up with all the specifics and debate idea about why we think we should do it X way. It would be something fun to do without an hideous amount of cash being out laid on a project that would probably fail. And hey if we are successful maybe PD would put it in GT .

We could. Propose it to the mods and we could have some fun with that.
Thanks!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

...sparked by negativity, flaming and baiting on the part of other members...

Still doesn't make it necessary.

 

[Leonidae]

if we want something small and pretty much bulletproof, 4A-GZE with twincharging would be my choice.





Yup, that's from Finland.. We have plenty of time during winter to build these things.

 

[mPWRD]

Umm... how many hp? Because i'm not sure 200 or even 300 will be enough...