The Interview

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More likely it's a patsy for canning what's likely to be an utter turd of a film (Seth Rogen on his own will ensure that, never mind the hilarious brojapes he'll have with James Franco) and getting the insurance to make up the catastrophic losses it would have made. Plus it'll get attention for the film for DVD sales.
I'm not quite sure where this thought comes from, and have heard similar comments about a Rogen film before. Seth Rogen/James Franco aren't exactly making great films, but they do make moneymakers. They are very popular amongst the frat and stoner crowds. Pineapple Express made over $100 million worldwide. And then This is the End was over $125 million. Even the atrocious Green Hornet was a moneymaker, despite a ridiculously high budget.

Unfortunately, we now live in a world where Adam Sandler fart jokes and Seth Rogen stoner jokes are big business.
 
That is pretty damning stuff, especially if a former Sony employee provided a back door for the North Koreans.

As I said earlier, these hackers made off with over a TB of information, and not all of it is released to the public. This could be the means to keep the pressure on Sony to not release the film.

Damn. Using the stolen Sony technology, North Korea could build a massive arsenal of weapons and cyberattack capabilities that will all stop working after 5 years.
 
Unfortunately, we now live in a world where Adam Sandler fart jokes and Seth Rogen stoner jokes are big business.
Being smarter than everybody else is exhausting. Sometimes I just wanna hear "****" and laugh my ass off. Life is so serious these days that I'll even pay for it. Or pirate it a month later, whatever.
 
even the atrocious Green Hornet was a moneymaker, despite a ridiculously high budget.

Geez, even after you only figure US release costs, distribution expenditures, returning profit to theaters (I've heard it's about $1-2/ticket), that movie explains why we get a trilogy out nearly of every action movie, no matter what.
 
I'm not quite sure where this thought comes from, and have heard similar comments about a Rogen film before. Seth Rogen/James Franco aren't exactly making great films, but they do make moneymakers. They are very popular amongst the frat and stoner crowds. Pineapple Express made over $100 million worldwide. And then This is the End was over $125 million. Even the atrocious Green Hornet was a moneymaker, despite a ridiculously high budget.
But now we know what to expect...

I bet test audiences and critics panned it.

Edit: Ouch.
 
This movie is partly the definition of what it means to live in a free country. The ability to make fun of our, or other leaders and make silly stoner movies like this. The second you take that away, then we lose more freedom.
 
Pineapple Express was a retarded movie. Retarded hilarious. This one will be too. Don't be so uptight!

I looked at it as a movie that would have been funnier if I was still 20.

Now where's my Union Jack?
 
The concept alone about producing a Seth Rogan comedy with journalists sneaking into North Korea and trying to kill their present living leader sounds stupid. And even though my sense of humor is very dark and stupid, from what people have said about this movie, I won't bother wasting a cent on such trash.
 
This movie is partly the definition of what it means to live in a free country. The ability to make fun of our, or other leaders and make silly stoner movies like this. The second you take that away, then we lose more freedom.
At the end of the day, Sony is a Japanese company. And Japan does not have a great relationship with North Korea. Tokyo is currently trying to negotiate the release of Japanese nationals held prisoner in the North, and so the role of a Japanese company producing and distributing THE INTERVIEW can only damage that process.

It's also worth noting that Sony had over a hundred terabytes of data stolen. And while most of the details of what was taken - releasing the remake of ANNIE onto the internet, getting an early draft of SPECTRE and so on - have been relatively benign, with the only real consequences have been public embarrassment and commercial losses. But one hundred terabytes is a massive amount of data, and the cumulative total of what has been released is a drop in that ocean. Some employees of Sony - people who are completely innocent in all of this - are suing because their personal information, including details of their medical history, were included in the stolen data.

So you're right. Seth Rogen has a right to the freedom of speech. And he has chosen to exercise that freedom of speech in making a film where he uses a weapon of mass destruction as a suppository. But when did that right to the freedom of speech trump the right to privacy of others? The people suing Sony have no connection to THE INTERVIEW, but they're the ones suffering for it.

Everybody wants to talk about the right to freedom of speech and creative expression. But nobody wants to talk about exercising those rights responsibly. North Korea is an aggressive, isolationist state with a documented history of instability and provocative military rhetoric. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that upsetting them is asking for trouble. When Sacha Baron Cohen made THE DICTATOR, he was clearly lampooning the likes of Muammar Qaddafi, Honsi Mubarak, Saddam Hussein and Mahmoud Ahmadenijad. But he had the sense to create a fictional character rather than actually playing that person. Was it really that necessary to have THE INTERVIEW feature Kim Jong-un? They could have easily made it a fictional character in a fictional country, and as thinly-veiled as it would have been, it would have at least avoided this mess.
 
Actually, I watched an interview that the writer of the Wired article had with The Blaze just a few minutes ago, I'm starting to change my tune a bit. I didn't know that this piece of malware has a history, it was even connected to a cyber attack in Saudi Arabia of all places (and the resulting blame of the attack got placed at Iran's feet). This is making me think that this GoP group has been operating for quite a while, assuming that all three attacks are connected, and only hacked Sony for extortion.
 
Actually, I watched an interview that the writer of the Wired article had with The Blaze just a few minutes ago, I'm starting to change my tune a bit. I didn't know that this piece of malware has a history, it was even connected to a cyber attack in Saudi Arabia of all places (and the resulting blame of the attack got placed at Iran's feet). This is making me think that this GoP group has been operating for quite a while, assuming that all three attacks are connected, and only hacked Sony for extortion.
There are entire sites out there that sell malware kits. An entire economy has sprung up around developing user-friendly malicious software. In many cases, selling the means to acquire someone's banking details is actually more profitable than acquiring the details themselves.
 
Some CNN talking heads have begun using the term "if" with respect to NK's involvement in the Sony hacking.
 
But now we know what to expect...

I bet test audiences and critics panned it.

Edit: Ouch.

I have heard two reviews from the handful of people who have seen the movie. David Wild of Rolling Stone and Matt Atchity of Rotten Tomatoes. Both said that this is a good film for the people that enjoyed This is the End.

If the style of movies appeals to stoners knowing what to expect will get them back in the theaters, not make them decide it is a waste.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt it will be a quality film, but that is not a requirement to make money. Just ask Michael Bay. They know their audience. It isn't us. That doesn't mean it won't make money. Why do you think they keep letting Adam Sandler pump out unfunny POS's? It isn't because they like losing money.
 
I guess a theater in Texas is going to show Team America in place of The Interview, which I find hilarious.

Also, I guess Sony just released another TV spot for The Interview...
 
I guess a theater in Texas is going to show Team America in place of The Interview, which I find hilarious.

Also, I guess Sony just released another TV spot for The Interview...

That movie theater won't actually be doing that now.
 
At the end of the day, Sony is a Japanese company. And Japan does not have a great relationship with North Korea. Tokyo is currently trying to negotiate the release of Japanese nationals held prisoner in the North, and so the role of a Japanese company producing and distributing THE INTERVIEW can only damage that process.
Yes, while that is true, is SJE (or whatever the actual name for Sony Japan is) or is it SCA who led and carried out the entire movie? I'm not sure how much that plays into part as why NK would/may have hacked Sony, but as far as relations go between Japan and NK is another thing, one I think isn't as high as a level vs. the US.

I could be wrong. I don't live in Japan so I don't know how they (the Japanese) feel about NK (probably somewhat how America views them)..
 
Yes, while that is true, is SJE (or whatever the actual name for Sony Japan is) or is it SCA who led and carried out the entire movie? I'm not sure how much that plays into part as why NK would/may have hacked Sony, but as far as relations go between Japan and NK is another thing, one I think isn't as high as a level vs. the US.
It won't matter who did what - North Korea won't make the distinction, and the Japanese branch will effectively be guilty by association to them.
 
So you're right. Seth Rogen has a right to the freedom of speech. And he has chosen to exercise that freedom of speech in making a film where he uses a weapon of mass destruction as a suppository. But when did that right to the freedom of speech trump the right to privacy of others?
When did Rogen's right to expression come into conflict with that right to privacy? The unnamed third party broke their right to privacy by stealing the data and then holding it to ransom.

So the question becomes "When did we allow criminals to deny people's rights and then use what they've taken to deny other people's rights?".

Not that it's really relevant - the right to freedom of expression is not a guarantee of a platform to express from. Nor is it a right that private companies or private property needs to pay any attention to - rights are freedoms from government censure and action and I don't see the US government banning The Interview from being screened... The rights argument isn't relevant to this situation at all.
Everybody wants to talk about the right to freedom of speech and creative expression. But nobody wants to talk about exercising those rights responsibly. North Korea is an aggressive, isolationist state with a documented history of instability and provocative military rhetoric. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that upsetting them is asking for trouble. When Sacha Baron Cohen made THE DICTATOR, he was clearly lampooning the likes of Muammar Qaddafi, Honsi Mubarak, Saddam Hussein and Mahmoud Ahmadenijad. But he had the sense to create a fictional character rather than actually playing that person. Was it really that necessary to have THE INTERVIEW feature Kim Jong-un? They could have easily made it a fictional character in a fictional country, and as thinly-veiled as it would have been, it would have at least avoided this mess.
And yet in Team America: World Police, Parker and Stone killed Kim Jong-Il by impaling only for his body to be abandoned by the alien cockroach that was controlling it...

"Ronery" has transcended the film so completely that it's a meme known to those who wouldn't even consider watching it...
 
Gee, how did I know that this movie was gonna cause such an uproar?

Also, gotta love Fox News... everybody's debating whether North Korea was actually involved, and Fox just goes and pushes all the buttons by suggesting Iran, China or Russia may be involved as well.

I swear to god, if a perfect storm of internet trolls and a dumb Seth Rogen movie starts WWIII...
 
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Gee, how did I know that this movie was gonna cause a :censored:storm?

Also, gotta love Fox News... everybody's debating whether North Korea was actually involved, and Fox just goes and pushes all the buttons by suggesting Iran, China or Russia may be involved as well.

I swear to god, if a perfect storm of internet trolls and a dumb Seth Rogen movie starts WWIII...

I think the movie :censored:storm is really an epiphenomenon of a much bigger problem which is being exposed; the involvement of many of the world's nations in hacking each other for an undefined range of purposes. You can call it WWIII, the cyber phase.
 
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It was Putin. He would have been stared in the Presequel

/Sarcasm

I swear to god, if a perfect storm of internet trolls and a dumb Seth Rogen movie starts WWIII...

Thaught about the same hyperbole :lol:
 
It was Putin. He would have been stared in the Presequel

/Sarcasm

You might be onto something here... :lol:

Or maybe he was upset that the first movie wasn't about him?

Censor it all or do not post it. This isn't a new thing.


Sorry, forgot about that rule. Though with all due respect, while I understand the language rules as far as keeping the site friendly for young players, once a person can fill in some **'s then clearly the word's already a part of their vocabulary. And for those folks, I don't see how an emote that clearly stands for a bad word that's easily decipherable from context is any better than a couple letters with asterisks in between 'em which are easily decipherable from context.

I know the rule is the rule and it's to be followed, so it won't happen again. All I'm saying is that this particular rule seems a little silly and excessive.
 
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Sorry, forgot about that rule. Though with all due respect, while I understand the language rules as far as keeping the site friendly for young players, once a person can fill in some **'s then clearly the word's already a part of their vocabulary. And for those folks, I don't see how an emote that clearly stands for a bad word that's easily decipherable from context is any better than a couple letters with asterisks in between 'em.

I know the rule is the rule and it's to be followed, so it won't happen again. But I just find that particular rule a little silly and excessive.
We have no doubt that 13 year olds have entirely florid vocabularies - I own a 13 year old myself and hers is coming along nicely - but the point isn't to protect young minds from rude words, rather we don't want them on the site.

Fully censored, an expletive could be anything. Even if you let the filter do its job and display four stars, it could be "knee" or "atom".

Partially censoring it leaves the reader in no doubt what word you're using, and at that point you may as well use the actual word. Partially censoring completely ignores our rules on profanity and is disrespectful to the reasons that we have them.


Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming about an unnaturally overpublicised turkey.
 
Looks like some activists working out of South Korean fully intend for North Koreans to see the film.

Sony Hack: Activists to Drop 'Interview' DVDs Over North Korea Via Balloon
Whether or not North Korea is behind the Sony hack, Kim Jong Un better brace himself because The Interview is headed to his country. Human rights activists are planning to airlift DVDs of the Seth Rogen comedy into the country via hydrogen balloons.

Fighters for a Free North Korea, run by Park Sang Hak, a former government propagandist who escaped to South Korea, has for years used balloons to get transistor radios, DVDs and other items into North Korea — not to entertain the deprived masses, but to introduce them to the outside world.
In the past two years, the Human Rights Foundation in New York, created by Thor Halvorssen, has been helping bankroll the balloon drops, with the next one set for January. The Interview likely won't be out on DVD then, but Halvorssen says he'll add copies as soon as possible. Halvorssen, whose group also finances the smuggling of DVD players into North Korea, says that the past dozen or so drops have included copies of movies and TV shows like Braveheart, Battlestar Galactica and Desperate Housewives. Anything with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone is also popular.

"Viewing any one of these is a subversive act that could get you executed, and North Koreans know this, given the public nature of the punishments meted out to those who dare watch entertainment from abroad," Halvorssen says.
"Despite all of that there is a huge thirst for knowledge and information from the outside world," he says. "North Koreans risk their lives to watch Hollywood films ... and The Interview is tremendously threatening to the Kims. They cannot abide by anything that portrays them as anything other than a god. This movie destroys the narrative."

Halvorssen says Hollywood is largely unaware that its product is being used so effectively in this way. At the Oslo Freedom Forum in October, a 21-year-old North Korean escapee named Yeonmi Park, now an intern with Halvorssen's group, described how viewing a black-market copy of James Cameron's Titanic was a life-changing event.
"When I was growing up in North Korea, I never saw anything about love stories between men and women," she said. "Every story was to brainwash about the Kim dictators. A turning point in my life was when I saw the movie Titanic. … I was wondering if the director and the actors would be killed."

She said that as youngsters they are taught that dying for the Kim regime was the most honorable thing one could do, and she and other children were shown propaganda movies to that effect.

"I realized that Titanic showed me a human story about love, beauty, humanity … it gave me a taste of freedom," she said in Oslo. "A man willing to die for a woman — it changed my thinking. It changed the way I saw the regime and the endless propaganda. Titanic made me realize that I was controlled by the regime."

And apparently Hollywood isn't taking kindly to Sony's choices. Rob Lowe compared them to the appeasement of Hitler leading up to WWII.

Actor Rob Lowe on Wednesday lashed out at Sony Pictures for pulling the film "The Interview," writing on his Twitter account that "Hollywood has done Neville Chamberlain proud today," in a reference to the British premier who appeased Hitler in 1938.
Sony canceled the release of the Seth Rogen-James Franco comedy about the fictional assassination of North Korean leader Kim-Jong un, after hackers threatened to attack movie theaters where it was to be screened. Four of the largest cinema chains in the U.S. then announced they would not screen the film.
Hackers who said they were incensed by the film attacked Sony Corp. last month, leaking documents that drew global headlines and distributing unreleased films on the Internet.
American authorities believe the North Korean government was behind the attack, in what appears to be an unprecedented victory for Pyongyang and its abilities to wage cyber-warfare.
"In light of the decision by the majority of our exhibitors not to show the film 'The Interview,' we have decided not to move forward with the planned December 25 theatrical release," Sony said in a statement. "We respect and understand our partners’ decision and, of course, completely share their paramount interest in the safety of employees and theater-goers."
Lowe blasted the entertainment company on Twitter, saying, "Wow. Everyone caved. The hackers won. An utter and complete victory for them. Wow."
He then tweeted a comparison between Sony and Neville Chamberlain, who appeased Hitler by ceding parts of Czechoslovakia to him in 1938. "Saw @Sethrogen at JFK. Both of us have never seen or heard of anything like this. Hollywood has done Neville Chamberlain proud today," he wrote.


And it seems like Michael Moore is trying to get them to use their powers for good.

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So you're right. Seth Rogen has a right to the freedom of speech. And he has chosen to exercise that freedom of speech in making a film where he uses a weapon of mass destruction as a suppository. But when did that right to the freedom of speech trump the right to privacy of others? The people suing Sony have no connection to THE INTERVIEW, but they're the ones suffering for it.

I don't really understand the logic here. What has Rogen done in creating a film to "trump" anyone's privacy? Is he responsible for someone else breaking into secure systems?
 

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