The Interview

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Must say that I really don't understand the Sony hate. They didn't cancel the film's release due to the threats, they did it because four of the biggest theater chains in America decided not to screen the film thanks to the threats. What, financially, is the incentive of going through with the Christmas release date if virtually no theaters are gonna play the damn thing?
 
I've seen and heard plenty of people criticise Sony for pulling the release because "we shouldn't give in to terrorists", and yet when put on the spot and asked if they will go and see it, they're usually busy that day.
 
No, I'm not. I am suggesting that someone somewhere in the production should have asked themselves "is pissing off a guy who walks around threatening people with nuclear weapons really such a good idea?"
You just described numerous cold war era movies. It was completely foreseeable and irresponsible, except they have done it throughout the history of the industry without the issue. Orson Welles faced a more foreseeable threat when he made Citizen Kane than anyone who had made a movie that paints nuke wielding dictators in a negative light.

If you have someone who has threatened to run people down because he doesn't like crosswalks, you don't walk out onto the crosswalk in front of them. Sure, he's in the wrong and he'd get majorly reamed were he to actually run you down, but is it worth your life to put yourself in that position and get hit by a truck? Maybe to some people it is, but to me it's not.
Yes, you can make an individual decision to be cautious but we wouldn't respond to his demands and remove all crosswalks to keep him happy and not killing people. Next some guy would threaten to run red lights because the tactic worked to alter an entire society's behavior.

Must say that I really don't understand the Sony hate. They didn't cancel the film's release due to the threats, they did it because four of the biggest theater chains in America decided not to screen the film thanks to the threats. What, financially, is the incentive of going through with the Christmas release date if virtually no theaters are gonna play the damn thing?
The Sony hate began when they said they have no plans to release it on any medium, in any format. No DVD s, no VOD, no Netflix, nothing. Unless they are hiding their plans they are opting to trash it and make it up via Insurance.

I've seen and heard plenty of people criticise Sony for pulling the release because "we shouldn't give in to terrorists", and yet when put on the spot and asked if they will go and see it, they're usually busy that day.
Not in this thread. Of course, judging people being busy on Christmas day is ridiculous too. Just to say screw them, I would go see it, but not at the cost of watching my daughter open presents and visit with family. It would be the following weekend.
 
The Sony hate began when they said they have no plans to release it on any medium, in any format. No DVD s, no VOD, no Netflix, nothing. Unless they are hiding their plans they are opting to trash it and make it up via Insurance.

Except they never said any such thing, only that they were cancelling the Christmas theatrical release due to the theaters pulling out. And in fact, Sony IS looking into trying to release the film on all of the mediums/formats you just listed off.

Guess I understand the source of the Sony hate now: Misinformation.
 
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Yes, you can make an individual decision to be cautious but we wouldn't respond to his demands and remove all crosswalks to keep him happy and not killing people. Next some guy would threaten to run red lights because the tactic worked to alter an entire society's behavior.

You're right, and I'm not advocating any sweeping societal reaction to this.

I'm merely pointing out that when a person is facing potentially direct violence, it's a rational decision to avoid that. Something needs to be done to address the crosswalk-drive-by people, but standing in front of them doesn't seem to me to be the smartest way to approach the situation.

Likewise, I don't think the rational response to a threat of violence in a cinema is to say "oh well, we'll go anyway, we don't bow to terrorist threats". 🤬 that. Stay the hell away, and do everything in your power to find and bring to justice the douchebag who made the threat in the first place.

The answer to terrorists is not to play chicken with them. You'll lose. They don't give a 🤬, or they wouldn't be terrorists in the first place.
 
I found some arguments against NK being responsible.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82344233/
...it may be wise to stay cautious; some cybersecurity experts who were skeptical of the North Korean connection are still skeptical.
The North Korea/"Interview" narrative is comforting in several ways. It feeds into the tendency to attribute almost God-like capabilities to an adversary, especially a secretive one; that's very much a scenario favored by Hollywood. (Think of the all-time definitive James Bond movie line, from "Dr. No": "World domination--same old dream.") And it helps Sony executives deflect blame -- how could anyone expect them to defend against an attack by such a sinister, all-powerful enemy? You can expect to see more coverage, like this piece from CNN, about North Korea's shadowy "Bureau 121," purportedly its Cyberattack Central.

There are great dangers in mistaken attribution -- it shifts attention from the real perpetrators, for one thing. A counterattack against North Korea could needlessly provoke the regime, wrecking the few diplomatic initiatives taking place.

Here's a rundown of the counter-narrative.

--"Whitehat" hacker and security expert Marc W. Rogers argues that the pattern of the attack implies that the attackers "had extensive knowledge of Sony’s internal architecture and access to key passwords. While it’s plausible that an attacker could have built up this knowledge over time ... Occam’s razor suggests the simpler explanation of an insider," perhaps one out for workplace revenge. (N.B. "Occam's razor" is the principle that the simplest explanation for something is often the best.)

--The assertion that the attack was uniquely sophisticated, which is an element of the accusation against North Korea, is both untrue and incompatible with the North Korea narrative. It presupposes that a nation-state without a native computer infrastructure could launch an unprecedented assault. More to the point, very similar hacking technology has been used in earlier hacks in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. The consulting firm Risk Based Security has a discussion of these and other aspects of the Sony affair.

It's worth noting that Risk Based Security's team isn't entirely convinced by the FBI statement. In an update to their commentary Friday, they observed that the agency has "not released any evidence to back these claims." They add: "While the FBI certainly has many skilled investigators, they are not infallible. Remember, this agency represents the same government that firmly stated that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, leading the U.S. into a more than ten year conflict, which was later disproven.

--Attribution of responsibility for attacks is much harder than laypersons believe. Kim Zetter of Wired observes, "Skilled hackers use proxy machines and false IP addresses to cover their tracks or plant false clues inside their malware to throw investigators off their trail." Evidence pointing to North Korea, Zetter writes, is also consistent with attacks by "hacktivists," who attack institutions for political motives of their own.

For more skepticism, see these posts by hacker Grugq and Jericho.
 
I found some arguments against NK being responsible.
I don't believe any officials have suggested the attack came from NK. That would be silly. They don't have the infrastructure. Pretty sure the official line is that NK ordered it and somebody else carried it out. That doesn't make NK any less responsible.

EDIT: Obama suggesting that the US will retaliate for NK's actions must honestly be a terrifying proposition for NK. NK launching a cyber attack against the US would make China none too happy as well. Perhaps this is merely another scheme by our government in the long list of diplomacy actions with/against NK to make them reconsider the obnoxious threats they make.
 
I don't believe any officials have suggested the attack came from NK. That would be silly. They don't have the infrastructure. Pretty sure the official line is that NK ordered it and somebody else carried it out. That doesn't make NK any less responsible.

EDIT: Obama suggesting that the US will retaliate for NK's actions must honestly be a terrifying proposition for NK. NK launching a cyber attack against the US would make China none too happy as well. Perhaps this is merely another scheme by our government in the long list of diplomacy actions with/against NK to make them reconsider the obnoxious threats they make.
In my view, NK is being used as a catspaw, stalking horse or proxy (take yer choice) by, wait for it, China. The consequences of an escalating cyberWWIII between the major powers could be disastrous for one and all. That is why Obama is being tight-lipped, calling it a national security matter and holding his cards close to his vest.

Just how far we should be willing to go to stand on the principle of free speech should be discussed. Free speech can actually come at a cost. :odd: It is one thing for us to so generously sacrifice Sony employee personal identities, social security numbers, credit card and banking passwords, intimate health and HR records, all on the altar of free speech. But what if all Americans had to pay the very same price - for the free speech of a Japanese entertainment company? What if even higher sacrifices had to be made if it should come to cyber attacks on infrastructure, including powergrids, dams and nuke plants? When you are playing for the highest stakes, you don't go turning the cube on every roll of the dice.
 
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"Joint task force... with America... oh man sometimes I even make myself laugh!"

Sends email to Obama
 
Could be a disgruntled Sony guy, could be the Russians they love hacking and they run the various illegal online "industries." Whatever, I really dont give a crap about the movie looked boring and I wanted tothrow up watching the previews on $5 movie night maybe its not that bad dont know.
 
In my view, NK is being used as a catspaw, stalking horse or proxy (take yer choice) by, wait for it, China.
What would China have to gain from hacking Sony?

It's more likely that the North Koreans hired someone in China to do it for them because they don't have the resources themselves and because they think it will distance themselves from it.
 
Just how far we should be willing to go to stand on the principle of free speech should be discussed.
While we're at it, the humanitarian crisis in the Central African Republic should be discussed.

It too has nothing to do with this issue.
 
Except they never said any such thing, only that they were cancelling the Christmas theatrical release due to the theaters pulling out. And in fact, Sony IS looking into trying to release the film on all of the mediums/formats you just listed off.

Guess I understand the source of the Sony hate now: Misinformation.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/12/17/sony-hack-the-interview/20519545/

LOS ANGELES — Sony has pulled the plug on The Interview – on any platform.

The studio has canceled the release of the Seth Rogen-James Franco comedy, which was set to open Christmas Day.

In a statement Wednesday, Sony said, "In light of the decision by the majority of our exhibitors not to show the film The Interview, we have decided not to move forward with the planned December 25 theatrical release. We respect and understand our partners' decision and, of course, completely share their paramount interest in the safety of employees and theater-goers."
Some industry insiders speculated Sony might release the film in the video-on-demand format, but the studio tells USA TODAY there will be no further release plans of any kind.
On any platform. Sounds pretty clear to me.


They changed their story today/yesterday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169

Good on them, but changing things up makes the idea that this was their plan all along sound false.


The question was not "will you watch it on the day of release?", but "will you watch it?".
So who said it other than the people who never want to see Seth Rogen films?

And you did say "that day."
 
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I think that theory went out the window once they cancelled the premier.
Or when the Federal Government became involved. If it was a publicity stunt, it'd have stopped as soon as the FBI was mentioned.
 
On any platform. Sounds pretty clear to me.


They changed their story today/yesterday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169

How convenient for USA TODAY to be the sole recipient of such information, then to pass it on to us by saying that "sony told us!" rather than providing a direct quote from a Sony representative where they state their intentions not to release it on any platform.

Just because it came from a news outlet does not mean it isn't misinformation. They usually can't get away with making 🤬 up wholesale, but they are a business and they get more of it if they do some embellishment.
 
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"Joint task force... with America... oh man sometimes I even make myself laugh!"

Sends email to Obama

darn, Kim really is short sighted. NK pics are always so full of jokes, it's like finding Waldo. Also are that ear protections on the table. :lol: North Korea :lol:

On the whole infrastructure of NK, I think they have more than we know. It's a shadow country. Most of the "prison" camps we know, we only know about them because of people how fled from them.

With the friendlishly connection to China and their IT manufacture, it isn't far fatched to imagine that NK could have an underground high performance data center and formed people in the IT sector.
 
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Back from the weekend. Rant, begin:
Who said GOP? I'm saying US government. And 0 dead is pure comedy.
The US Government has a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y nothing to deal with Sony. A terrorist organization vs. a group of college kids with computers doesn't really show much of comparison as to how lives could be lost... Obviously it went straight over your head.

I am making a comparison between threats of terrorism. And yes, I think the terrorists won the day the Patriot Act was enacted. We did what they wanted. Sony and the theaters did what they wanted here. If we negotiate, concede, or change our way of life out of fear we have lost, whether it is the government violating its citizens rights under the guise of security or lawyers at corporations crapping their suits to avoid liability.
Again, you are comparing the government with Sony, which don't have any ties as to how/why the movie was cancelled.
And Sony isn't at stake as far as liability, the theaters are, which ultimately caused Sony to cancel its viewings..

Yeah, because keeping it on topic instead of going on a full political diatribe would have been better. It was a comparison. A person or entity's actions are their own and they are responsible. The government caved to fear. Sony caved to fear.
Says the one who incessantly repeats government in their rebuttals. Sony may have caved to fear along with countless other theaters, a point which you neglected to bring up.

Yes, because the movie situation happened most recently. It is the progressing story. I feel bad for people that had their information hacked, but that is between them and Sony, and possibly the courts. No one can say or do anything to undo what was done there. I've not looked up anything that was said or read articles about it. I heard what happened and chose to ignore the stories where people's privacy got violated by hackers.
You can't formulate a valid argument/opinion and expect it to be noteworthy enough without including all the facts, as you have just said you've done. Still, you overlook the fact the movie is only a part of the situation at hand, rather than take into account any litigation which may happen between them and their employees...[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Must say that I really don't understand the Sony hate. They didn't cancel the film's release due to the threats, they did it because four of the biggest theater chains in America decided not to screen the film thanks to the threats. What, financially, is the incentive of going through with the Christmas release date if virtually no theaters are gonna play the damn thing?
+1, many don't see the whole picture as far as the movie goes and you sir (I hope) do.

Sounds pretty clear as one journalist would say.. There's no direct quote and any media group would do anything to be the root of the story and stem it out.

A Sony exec promised fans of GT6 would see many features come to the game over eight months ago, however, that promised is yet to be complete. That is, unless you believe it to the fullest extent..
 
To put on my conspiracy theorist hat for a second, I can almost buy NK's claims of the US gov't having a role in the production of this movie with its obviously troublesome premise.

Use this film as a way to stir the pot with NK, then subsequently apply pressure and hope NK does something stupid to give us an excuse... a kindler, gentler false flag event, so to speak.

Hope not though. I'd rather this all just blew over, so I don't get recalled from my upcoming holiday leave.
 
How convenient for USA TODAY to be the sole recipient of such information, then to pass it on to us by saying that "sony told us!" rather than providing a direct quote from a Sony representative where they state their intentions not to release it on any platform.

Just because it came from a news outlet does not mean it isn't misinformation. They usually can't get away with making 🤬 up wholesale, but they are a business and they get more of it if they do some embellishment.
I agree, and admit I was most likely misinformed, however it had been picked up by multiple outlets. Sony should have clarified much sooner when that happened. Now the cat's out of the bag and they are having to work a PR mess.

You can't formulate a valid argument/opinion and expect it to be noteworthy enough without including all the facts, as you have just said you've done. Still, you overlook the fact the movie is only a part of the situation at hand, rather than take into account any litigation which may happen between them and their employees...
I didn't follow stories repent details of the leaked emails. I know they were hacked and it was very personal, possibly publicly and financially damaging info. I don't need to be some kind of voyeur to understand how horrible the situation is. I've experienced getting important info getting hacked, so I didn't feel the need to latch on to things that made it into the public eye.

The only way the movie ties into the employee details being hacked is if the threat was to release more damaging info, but then Sony should have delayed the release before the theaters, if they were going to do it for that reason.
 
The only way the movie ties into the employee details being hacked is if the threat was to release more damaging info, but then Sony should have delayed the release before the theaters, if they were going to do it for that reason.
I think we all blew it off until 9/11 was brought into play and people could be injured. For the past couple of years there's been more coverage of movie theaters having shootings in/outside of them, in most cases mass shootings, then there has been since I can recall. Sony really didn't have much of a choice other than to remove it after Regal did.

If nothing of death/destruction were to be mentioned, the movie may have gone on because the theaters would still want the money, but I'm afraid Sony has nothing to do to get theaters to play it, whether or not they say they'll distribute it.. Maybe if on DVD's but highly unlikely theaters will take the risk.
 
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