The Interview

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VolkswagenX
Thanks for clearing that up! They are only trying to help but people are being mean :(
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Late response, I don't mean to say that the US is a perfect benevolent angel, but there's more to it than just power grabbing. It's not so relevant anymore but US bases in West Europe were very important to make NATO a credible deterrent to the Warsaw pact. North Korea likely wouldn't hold off another invasion for 60 years if there weren't US forces in the south.

Do I think most of those bases should be closed? Yes. I just take issue with the idea that it's just USA dick waving, because there's legitimate reasons to have a global military capability. I know for instance there's no way that my government in Canada would be able to only spend 1.3% of GDP on our military and be super smug about health care if it weren't for the most powerful military in history bordering and being allied with us.
 

Only in the US I presume, I can't watch it with my IP (ehmm)

Dotini
After a 9.5 hour outage, NK internet service has been reportedly restored.
Is this the proportionate response to cybervandalism Obama threatened?
Did the US cause the outage? China? Did NK do it to themselves?

In this brave new world of cybervandalism - or cyberwarfare - there are no laws, no rules, few precedents and no limits.

We do know that the US and Israel unleashed the stuxnet virus to sabotage Iran's nuclear centrifuge industry, but then the virus escaped and caused havoc elsewhere. There have been no known consequences to the US or Israel to this attack on Iran.

We also know that Russia and China are continuously hacking US computers in government, business and academia. Again, with no known cost or consequences to them.

Some US individuals have been hurt when Target and other businesses have had consumer data hacked. Identity theft is an issue.

The big fear is said to be hacking of infrastructure such as the electric grid, dams, pipelines, refineries, railroads, airports, nuke plants, etc. The shutdown of the internet in the US would be a very big deal, since it is so key to business and entertainment.

It would appear some countries are more vulnerable to cyber attacks than some others. The US appears vulnerable to this asymmetrical sort of attack. While I'm sure we are busy preparing to some degree for this, the generals are preoccupied with fighting the previous war, and are almost always caught unprepared.
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I was shocked when I learned that countries like Germany (so it's very probably the case elsewhere) have their whole emergency systems updated from analogue to digital years ago, relying on internet backbones.....

So no internet, no emergency services, not even communication between emergency services would be covered. A good old CB Radio as backup wouldn't have been a stupid idea....

After Snowden, Putin ordered all confidental documents to be only left in written form, because stealing hundred thousand of paper documents isn't as easy as Pdfs that fit on a micro sd card. It isn't the solution, and it's Putin, but the hype to digitalize will bit us back.
At least we should have some analogue back ups.


Also, it seems the Interview releases "normally" eventhough on the internet for free, it will probably easily cover the 44 Mil cost of the movie. Not sure it would have been such a succes without the whole real life side story.
Best marketing ever.
Now the conspiracy theroetics can come out and spin their stories
 
Ibonibo

Only in the US I presume, I can't watch it with my IP (ehmm)
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I cant see it either, have they seriously dumped it on YouTube for free?!

If so could it possibly beat the all-time highest watched video Gangnam Style?
 
Robin.
NK has seriously messed this up, they have taken a film which only a handful of people would have ever seen or heard about and now made everyone in the free world want to watch it.... good job :lol:
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Well duh, they're conquering captialism. Sony have given it away for free on YouTube instead of charging for it in cinemas. Property is theft.

Smart Korea
Crafty Korea
North Korea

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MisterWhiskers
:lol: This has like 50,000 swears in it, but still funny. And at 0:09, Ivan Ivanovic Ivanovski went HAM.

Anyway, I really wanna watch this movie. Kim likes blocking fun stuff, so this must be really funny.
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You won't regret seeing it! 👍
 
Apparently the scene of Kim's head exploding was internally controversial. Early on it was vetted as good to go by the Rand Corporation and the US State Department, according to emails and other data from the Sony hack. Later, Sony Corporation of Japan asked Sony Pictures USA to substitute a less violent scene, in deference to the Japanese government's delicate negotiations with Pyongyang over the repatriation Japanese citizens abducted to North Korea. But the scene went ahead as planned, since it was vital for maximum damaging cultural effect of the film's stealth distribution within North Korea.
 
prisonermonkeys
North Korea continue the tit-for-tat, blaming America for their internet blackout:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-27/us-caused-internet-outages-north-korea-says/5989754
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"The Interview: North Korea labels Obama a 'monkey' over film screenings amid Sony hacking stoush fallout"

I think the State Department should respond with appropriate comments regarding Kim's bizarre haircut! (Just kidding, of course, the last thing the world needs is to have him change his barber and look more credible.)
 
GBO Possum
"The Interview: North Korea labels Obama a 'monkey' over film screenings amid Sony hacking stoush fallout"

I think the State Department should respond with appropriate comments regarding Kim's bizarre haircut! (Just kidding, of course, the last thing the world needs is to have him change his barber and look more credible.)
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Reverse psychology. You tell him he has a bad haircut, then he can never change it, because if he does, it'll look like he changed it because we mocked his haircut and he can't be seen to be bowing to the capitalist, imperialist, war-monger, oppressor, pigs or whatever it is we are.:cheers:
 
Meanwhile, Morocco and Egypt have demonstrated how to handle this sort of thing properly, banning Ridley Scott's Exodus: Gods and Kings for historical inaccuracies that they found culturally offensive (I don't remember Moses being Batman, either), and they managed to do it without causing an international incident.
 
Banning films because they're arbitrarily deemed offensive is the "right way"? I hope I misinterpreted what you said because that's ludicrous.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Meanwhile, Morocco and Egypt have demonstrated how to handle this sort of thing properly, banning Ridley Scott's Exodus: Gods and Kings for historical inaccuracies that they found culturally offensive (I don't remember Moses being Batman, either), and they managed to do it without causing an international incident.
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I can think of some books which are rife with historical inaccuracies yet are claimed to be the word of god :lol:
 
Noob616
Banning films because they're arbitrarily deemed offensive is the "right way"?
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Well, they managed to do it without threatening to go to war, disrupting the internet, or turning Seth Rogen into a champion for the freedom of expression. So if you're going to ban a film because you arbitrarily deem it offensive, then it would be better to follow the example set by Egypt and Morocco, rather than North Korea.

And they're upset because the film implies that the pyramids and the Sphinx were built exclusively by Jewish slaves. Egypt and Morocco don't dispute that they were built by slaves, but claim that the slaves came from a variety of backgrounds, not just the Israelites.
 
Well. This movie certainly needed all the publicity. It's not terrible but it isn't great either.

Scratch that. It's actually hard to finish watching the movie.
 
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Dotini
Apparently the scene of Kim's head exploding was internally controversial. Early on it was vetted as good to go by the Rand Corporation and the US State Department, according to emails and other data from the Sony hack. Later, Sony Corporation of Japan asked Sony Pictures USA to substitute a less violent scene, in deference to the Japanese government's delicate negotiations with Pyongyang over the repatriation Japanese citizens abducted to North Korea. But the scene went ahead as planned, since it was vital for maximum damaging cultural effect of the film's stealth distribution within North Korea.
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Yeah and his head exploding is covered amidst flames, it's not like it's right there in your face blood and face everywhere. :rolleyes:


Furthermore why would the FBI and the United States publicly denounce North Korea for hacking? What point would that have besides get KimJ a little angrier and potentially anger China. It seems like most the people are jumping on the "Well the big bad US is obviously wrong" for publicity, considering 90% of the people who do have barely any connections in the cyber security world at all.

I saw the movie, and I enjoyed it. The commercials sold an over the top, gruesome, silly, riddled with ass jokes, drug use, boobs, drinks, drugs, and what not. It's a stoner movie. Nothing peeves me more than to see some person who thinks their all that denounce a movie because it isn't "intellectual" enough. However a quick hop on Facebook and what do I see? :lol:
 
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Crispy
Furthermore why would the FBI and the United States publicly denounce North Korea for hacking? What point would that have besides get KimJ a little angrier and potentially anger China.
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I doubt it would anger China. They have a partnership with North Korea, but only because the North is willing to listen to them and somebody needs to offer them a carrot when the rest of the world brandishes the stick.

This isn't like the Russia-Syria relationship, where the Russians need the Syrians to maintain a presence and an ally in the Middle East. China gets nothing out of the relationship with North Korea, and it arguably does them more harm than good. The North needs China more than China needs them; without China, they would completely collapse. So China won't be upset that America has accused the North of wrongdoing. They'll just make it clear that if North Korea got themselves into this mess, then North Korea can get themselves out of it.
 
prisonermonkeys
Meanwhile, Morocco and Egypt have demonstrated how to handle this sort of thing properly, banning Ridley Scott's Exodus: Gods and Kings for historical inaccuracies that they found culturally offensive (I don't remember Moses being Batman, either), and they managed to do it without causing an international incident.
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It should be banned on quality alone. I'm surprised Jewish groups weren't up in arms after they turned Moses into a murderous schizophrenic.


Crispy
Furthermore why would the FBI and the United States publicly denounce North Korea for hacking?
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Because they enjoy hypocrisy?
 
Crispy
Furthermore why would the FBI and the United States publicly denounce North Korea for hacking? What point would that have besides get KimJ a little angrier and potentially anger China.
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Great question - other than that is a question of motives, which are hard to prove.

The obvious answers are that it is easy, convenient, logical and patriotic to denounce North Korea for almost anything, so why not this too? Your speculation that the US wants to anger Kim into some kind of stressful situation is probably right on. I think we want him and his regime gone and replaced, perhaps by China to start with. This would leave the Chinese with one less nominally independent catspaw and the deniability it gives to China when NK acts on China's behalf.

The question of angering China is an even deeper speculation. It's clear that China is taking possession of its claim to the entire South China Sea by building a massive base and airstrip on a new artificial island in the middle of it. China has a huge and potentially restless young male population. Faced with unemployment and not enough females, things could get ugly when all those boys grow up into unattached angry men. I think China wants nothing less than domination of the greater region. China's actions in taking Tibet and the Uyghur homeland and repopulating with Chinese is the envisioned future of the region. Our policy is to oppose that. We enlist the FBI, CIA, Rand Corporation, and ultimately the media and entertainment industry to propagandize our policy. Faced with enough evidence, Obama and his FBI might reluctantly have to walk back their dog in this case, but it will be grudgingly if it happens at all. Here, a useful lie (it was Kim) is preferable to the mundane truth (that it was a Sony insider that did the hacking).
 

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