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The Le Mans General Discussion Thread
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I said it before...
On top of that, the car is made with 2014 LMP(1) regulations in mind as well. Engine options are up in the air. It's like the other chassis builders with a variety of different engine choices. Judd, Nissan, BMW, HPD (honda) etc.
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While I relize that, this is Lotus we're talking about. As Justin pointed out, support hasn't been their Strong suit (As Dale Coyne and Alex Job can atest to). I'm still quite skeptical about this.
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I don't believe so. Lotus just made their R18 so they can switch over to the new regs with minimal effort.
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Driver re-classifications are being debated with a lot of heat. Apparently, upgrading the good gentleman drivers to Gold is bad for them.
If anyomne here follows John Dagys on twitter, you'll notice lots of tweets about it. But this is what started the debate:
If anyomne here follows John Dagys on twitter, you'll notice lots of tweets about it. But this is what started the debate:
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I'm interested in the new honking holes rules the ACO adopted: Either have them on the top of the fenders, or on the interior ala Toyota GT-One.
TS020...Have you returned?
TS020...Have you returned?
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It really is a bad situation for the teams and drivers, this will also affect the next series. Eventhough the Grand Am guys don't have a Pro-Am class 80% of their teams are in fact made of Pro-Am combos. Once the series are united those drivers will be classed and licensed by the ACO. This is bad because a lot of the teams because a lot of their funds come fro the Am drivers who are no longer Amateurs and can not compete as such but are not fast enough to keep up with the pros. Really really bad situation right now...
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It's not an R18 copy. It's more TS030 copy from the drawings. Funny thing is the lead guy in terms of design is a former Toyota F1 aero personnel.
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Bit of a can of worms here. Its more of a Lotus than any of the other race cars out there bar the Evora.
But its still not really a Lotus, as its been designed by Kodewa. Its still really a name-branding exercise. Its just that its been designed as a result of Lotus sponsorship, rather than Lotus just sponsoring an existing car/team.
To be fair though, if we want to get picky about whether manufacturers are really just sticking their name on things, a lot of manufacturer participation is simply putting their name on things, not just with Lotus.
For example, Audi are actually the Joest team, Chevrolet engines in Indycar are actually re-badged Illmor engines, etc.
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I'm guessing though that it's more of a Lotus than the Rebellion Lola with the Lotus livery? Excuse the possibly silly question!
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The problem isn't just because of Lotus being on a car, its that the actual involvement they do have often involves little to no support and the Sponsorship (in Sportscar anyway) tends to be just a rebranding of the entire team and car. If Lotus was just a logo on the Rebellion Lola Toyota, it wouldn't be a problem. If it was a Lotus Supported rebranding (Like Chevy with the ilmor engines or Audi's paid sub-contracting to various companies), that wouldn't be a problem either. I myself am skeptical because I'm wondering if this is actually Lotus actually supporting something or if this is yet another unsupportive badge job.
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Does Dr. Kolles still manage the Kodewa racing effort?
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Read this http://www.lemans.org/en/races/24h/update/exclusive-the-new-lotus-lm-p2_9127.html. Lotus didn't choose them. They chose Lotus. And yes Kolles is still in charge.
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I'm curious what changes Dallara and Joest will make to the R18 this year. A more Toyota-like rear wing I reckon for later in the season.
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ACO and FIA basically said they expect most if not all teams in the prototype ranks to eventually adopt that solution.
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Plowman to run the LMP2 car in the Daytona Test Days in January:
http://www.alms.com/articles/plowman-steps-future-daytona
Oh and also, the 2 Audi R8 LMP1 cars ran at Daytona this past weekend on the Historics event!
http://www.facebook.com/AudiSportPa...5457408.-2207520000.1352764611&type=3&theater
http://www.alms.com/articles/plowman-steps-future-daytona
Oh and also, the 2 Audi R8 LMP1 cars ran at Daytona this past weekend on the Historics event!
http://www.facebook.com/AudiSportPa...5457408.-2207520000.1352764611&type=3&theater
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It's crazy to think that the Audi R8 is old enough to be considered a classic.
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The ruling was changed so that only LMP1 teams can make a 'Toyota rear wing' for 2013. LMP2 it's written out of the rules.
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Thanks for the correction, but I thought the rules haven't changed actually. It's just that the ACO won't do anything about the loophole that Toyota found?
More than 10 years old now!
I feel old at 23 all of a sudden.👎
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They made a specific adjustment to the wording for 2013. It involves the fenders and how high they can and can't go. LMP2 can not make their fender 'arch' high like the Toyota.
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Speaking of the fenders, they also said the honking holes can either be on the top or on the inside like the GT-One.
Really interesting point of development.
Really interesting point of development.
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