The Le Mans General Discussion Thread

[Furinkazen]

Just to make the point i believe a lot of early testing was done without the hybrid system working or installed at all.

 

[CodeRedR51]

IT'S TESTING, DON'T READ TOO MUCH INTO IT!

This.

Isn't that what testing is for? To find weaknesses and fix them? And anyone expecting them to be competitive their first year out is sorely mistaken. Their goal is to win LeMans, in 2016. This whole year is just one giant testing session for them. Everyone can laugh now, but if they are competitive at LeMans next year, then they've done their job.

 

[Clark]

@R1600Turbo 'Le Mans' not 'LeMans'

 

[CodeRedR51]

Eh.

 

[R5]

I read as much as I like. Go bark at the neighbor.

Well that's a problem.

 

[trustjab]

We can say "its just testing" all we want. But doing only a couple dozen laps over 2 days is not really much testing is it? Whats even more worrisome is the filming laps being done. Take a look on their flickr and see the filming vehicle at Sebring on track with the GTR LM. So just how much time was done running on track gaining experience vs. time for media exposure? Even if they ran 25-30 laps of straight testing, thats only about 50 minutes of on track experience for Sebring. By any measure thats not pleasing.

Edit: According to motorsport-total they used up the full 5 days testing by logging that to the FIA. But Nissan claim they weren't really going to stay the whole time? The lap total is claimed 68, so about 2 hours on track.

 

[R5]

We can say "its just testing" all we want. But doing only a couple dozen laps over 2 days is not really much testing is it? Whats even more worrisome is the filming laps being done. Take a look on their flickr and see the filming vehicle at Sebring on track with the GTR LM. So just how much time was done running on track gaining experience vs. time for media exposure? Even if they ran 25-30 laps of straight testing, thats only about 50 minutes of on track experience for Sebring. By any measure thats not pleasing.

But then it's not like this is the car's first running, and it won't be their last test.

 

[cnd01]

I didn't know that the car had to do a 12 hour race pace test every time it goes out. I guess we better tell all the other teams they're doing it wrong too

 

[trustjab]

But then it's not like this is the car's first running, and it won't be their last test.

I edited the post. Motorsport total say its 68 laps they ran. Autosport are saying theyre abandoning the 4wd concept.

I didn't know that the car had to do a 12 hour race pace test every time it goes out. I guess we better tell all the other teams they're doing it wrong too

There is no 12 hour races in the wec. Other teams do 24hr and 48hr race simulations. Not 12.

 

[R5]

I edited the post. Motorsport total say its 68 laps they ran. Autosport are saying theyre abandoning the 4wd concept.

And that means what...?

 

[cnd01]

There is no 12 hour races in the wec. Other teams do 24hr and 48hr race simulations. Not 12.

And you're missing the point of what me and everyone else here is saying

 

[trustjab]

That means they ran 68 laps over a period of two days. So maybe 2 hours from 36-48 total hours. And then they had to give up 3 extra days of their allotted total allowed by the FIA. So if theyre to test again, they now have 3 days less. Theres no slant, just putting out facts. I hope they can win races, Im a fan of Nissan, but they are running short on time. @cnd01 Im not missing anything. Im posting facts. Youre guessing and making up some hour total theyre suppose to run. Not sure what youre even trying to prove.

 

[R5]

That means they ran 68 laps over a period of two days. So maybe 2 hours from 36-48 total hours. And then they had to give up 3 extra days of their allotted total allowed by the FIA. So if theyre to test again, they now have 3 days less. Theres no slant, just putting out facts. I hope they can win races, Im a fan of Nissan, but they are running short on time.

What I meant by that is

1. What does that have to do with the post you quoted?
2. You posted claims, rumours etc. Take them with more than a pinch of salt, because they aren't officially confirmed.

 

[cnd01]

If anything, I think they learned more from what happened. Obviously something broke that they did not anticipate breaking. I'd much rather lose 3 days of preseason testing than have the same thing go wrong in a race and not be prepared to fix it.

 

[Furinkazen]

If anything, I think they learned more from what happened. Obviously something broke that they did not anticipate breaking. I'd much rather lose 3 days of preseason testing than have the same thing go wrong in a race and not be prepared to fix it.

Which is what happened to Toyota in 2012 after the Deltawing collision.

 

[cnd01]

Which is what happened to Toyota in 2012 after the Deltawing collision.

Exactly. Pre-season testing at a track that's not even on the schedule is literally a troubleshooting endeavor. Testing is where things are supposed to go wrong to find solutions before it happens when it matters. Work on pace at tracks that are on the schedule. Who gives 2 craps if Nissan is slower than a spec Miata at a track not on the schedule. It makes no difference. Could it possibly mean that they may struggle? Yes, but nothing solid can really be drawn

 

[trustjab]

What I meant by that is

1. What does that have to do with the post you quoted?
2. You posted claims, rumours etc. Take them with more than a pinch of salt, because they aren't officially confirmed.

Nissan hasnt said any specific number, no. But the 25-30 laps was by those present at the track. That must have been for the first day since MS-Total says it was 68 laps over two days. Theres nothing wrong with rumors. The person who reported that doesnt have any angle so its only information from guys like him and lanky turtle that we get a better picture of what was happening, at least on lap count.

 

[R5]

Nissan hasnt said any specific number, no. But the 25-30 laps was by those present at the track. That must have been for the first day since MS-Total says it was 68 laps over two days. Theres nothing wrong with rumors. The person who reported that doesnt have any angle so its only information from guys like him and lanky turtle that we get a better picture of what was happening, at least on lap count.

There's everything wrong with rumours, I wasn't disputing your lap count thing. It was more centred Around these:

According to motorsport-total they used up the full 5 days testing by logging that to the FIA. But Nissan claim they weren't really going to stay the whole time?

and this:

Im posting facts. Youre guessing and making up some hour total theyre suppose to run

You're not. These aren't official "facts" and therefore are someone's "guesses". So move on. Testing is going well, motorsport engineers will have it fixed, look to last year's F1 testing for evidence.

 

[CodeRedR51]

That means they ran 68 laps over a period of two days. So maybe 2 hours from 36-48 total hours. And then they had to give up 3 extra days of their allotted total allowed by the FIA. So if theyre to test again, they now have 3 days less. Theres no slant, just putting out facts. I hope they can win races, Im a fan of Nissan, but they are running short on time. @cnd01 Im not missing anything. Im posting facts. Youre guessing and making up some hour total theyre suppose to run. Not sure what youre even trying to prove.

I'll respond to you by saying: read my last post. Then read it again.

 

[trustjab]

There's everything wrong with rumours, I wasn't disputing your lap count thing. It was more centred Around these:



and this:


You're not. These aren't official "facts" and therefore are someone's "guesses". So move on. Testing is going well, motorsport engineers will have it fixed, look to last year's F1 testing for evidence.

Those are facts. Nissan is not running rwd on the kers, fact. They logged 5 days with the fia, fact. They only did 2 days and therefor lost 3 days of testing of their total for the year, fact.

 

[cnd01]

Those are facts. Nissan is not running rwd on the kers, fact. They logged 5 days with the fia, fact. They only did 2 days and therefor lost 3 days of testing of their total for the year, fact.

I think that you're not seeing the forest because of the trees

 

[trustjab]

I think that you're not seeing the forest because of the trees

Do you have anything else to add?

I'll respond to you by saying: read my last post. Then read it again.

No one disputed that. What I find ironic is everyone defending them as if Im trying to attack Nissan. Far from it, in fact. Maybe testing didn't go as planned, but is it wrong to say it is worrying? Nope. Not at this stage.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Nobody should expect them to even come close to winning races this year. If you can accept that, then this incident really has no meaning.

I would rather that part break now than during a race. That's what testing is for.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Those are facts. Nissan is not running rwd on the kers, fact. They logged 5 days with the fia, fact. They only did 2 days and therefor lost 3 days of testing of their total for the year, fact.

You do know I could post anything on a website it doesn't mean that it's fact.....

 

[trustjab]

Take a look at this-

Appears to be their (double) flywheel unit!

You do know I could post anything on a website it doesn't mean that it's fact.....

So you work for autosport?

 

[R0ssingt0n]

My god you lot argue over the stupidest of things.

Yeah something broke during testing. That's kinda the point.

 

[cnd01]

Do you have anything else to add?

I've already posted concurring statements to what everyone else has. You're not wrong just stop digging into every last detail of every post. No one is saying Nissan didn't lose 3 days of testing. We're simply stating that it's not necessarily a bad thing....

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

So you work for autosport?

Do you?

But then what does autosport have to do with it when you posted Motorsport total?

Also if we are discussing "facts" 2 of the "facts" you state aren't listed on the autosport article.

 

[trustjab]

I've already posted concurring statements to what everyone else has. You're not wrong just stop digging into every last detail of every post. No one is saying Nissan didn't lose 3 days of testing. We're simply stating that it's not necessarily a bad thing....

When did I say its "a bad thing"? Even though it kinda is since theyll have to replace the tub and retest before they hit the race track.

Do you?

But then what does autosport have to do with it when you posted Motorsport total?

Also if we are discussing "facts" 2 of the "facts" you state aren't listed on the autosport article.

I guess you didnt get the joke. Sorry. Autosport like to make sensational story titles. You said you can make up anything and say its true. You didnt get the connection, humor fail. Btw, if you read the M-Total article, they quote autosport! 👍

 

[mustafur]

Say this to Toyota.

They will agree.