The Le Mans General Discussion Thread

As far as I remember, in order to be classified you need to cover 75% of the winning distance for your class.
Close 70% of the overall race winner as listed under rule 84.1.2b

CONDITIONS FOR CLASSIFICATION
84. 1.1 the car placed first is the one that covered the greatest distance up to the showing of the chequered flag (the position of the cars on the starting grid is not taken into account).
1.2 To be classified, a car must:
a) Cross the finish line on the race track when the chequered flag is shown, except in a case of force majeure at the Stewards' discretion. It is prohibited to stop on the race track pending the showing of the chequered flag;
b) Have covered at least 70% of the distance covered by the car classified in first place in the overall classification.
c) The official number of laps will be rounded down to the nearest whole number.
2.1 The cars are classified according to the number of complete laps covered during the time of the race. For competitors having covered the same number of laps, the time at which they crossed the finish line will determine the order of the classification.
2.2 Official results / classifications:
The only official results and classifications are those published and posted by the organiser on the official notice board.
 
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All of my information comes from youtube videos and links usually posted by you, I used the term "as far as I know" which I chose wisely as I'm not completely up to date with all things LMGTR and expected someone to pull the old internet trick "you know nothing!!!" And spam me with updated links proving its eligibility,

Please explain how it isn't eligible... it's passed the crash tests (admittedly late, which meant they missed Silverstone and Spa due to the homologation deadline rules on newly crash-tested chassis'), it's running in the same ERS category as the winning Audi from last year, and is deploying that energy through the same wheels as the ICE, which is perfectly legal...

There are a lot of people on the internet who seem to be making 🤬 up about this car for some reason... the 'only as fast as an LMP2 car' one has come up recently and has no evidence to support it, just as the lack of evidence to support the other rumour that the car is not running any hybrid power is notable.

Whatever people think of Darren Cox and the way he markets Nissan and their motorsport activities (I find him a bit abrasive, but he understands how to market this stuff to young people and that's a good thing), and whatever people think of Ben Bowlby's credibility as a designer (I'll admit, I don't think the DeltaWing was any good, and he had a hand in some increasingly poor Lola Indycar chassis in the 90's...), they have put their reputation on the line and designed a car that innovates and defies conventional thinking on prototype racing cars, whilst at the same time making a lot of good sense in relation to the problems Le Mans offers engineers and car designers.

I'll repeat what others have said...

Nissan have confirmed themselves that they are running in the 2MJ Hybrid sub-class, deploying the energy through the front wheels.

They passed all the mandatory FIA crash tests which means their car is perfectly safe to run in WEC races.

There is video evidence of the car exceeding 200mph (325kph) in testing whilst looking like it was easily capable of more, and there are RUMOURS that it has been clocked at 245mph in testing... that is unsubstantiated though. Even if it is only breaking 200 on the straights that will mean it will stream past the LMP2 cars who struggle to crack 190mph through the Mulsanne speed trap. The way the car produces downforce is quite innovative and whilst it is therefore hard to back their claims up with relevant evidence, I would suggest they are producing enough grip to beat the P2 cars in the bends too. The fastest LMP1 on the Le Mans speed trap last year? The #14 Porsche at 205.55mph... so if Nissan are capable of beating that figure by even 10-15mph they will gain bucketloads of time.


Those who criticise the car seem to fundamentally misunderstand what the car's concept is. It has massively reduced drag over 'traditional' LMP1 car shapes (Mulsanne Corner's Mike Fuller reckons as much as 20%+!), a powerful, if limited in energy recovery capacity right now, hybrid system and an innovative way of producing relatively drag-free downforce with the venturi tunnels and the aero-mechanical layout of the car. I am not calling this car a winner because the concept is unproven and the team has admitted to having issues delivering a car that fitted their whole design brief, but it is innovative and will turn heads at Le Mans for the right reasons.

As far as I remember, in order to be classified you need to cover 70% of the winning distance.

And nowadays you have to get the car out and running before the last hour as well.
 
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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/05/30/lmp2.html

Gibson:
Are actively considering submitting expression of interest.

Onroak (Ligier): Will submit expression of interest.

ORECA: Will submit expression of interest as a chassis manufacturer.

SMP Racing (BR Engineering): Will submit expression of interest.

Strakka (Dome): Will NOT be submitting expression of interest.

As previously written on these pages there are believed to be moves afoot to bring forward a potential North American LMP2 project with involvement from Multimatic and Riley. Bill Riley would confirm only that he was considering the way forward.

Amongst other potential players:

Dallara are believed to be considering submission of an expression of interest.

Ginetta: Will submit expression of interest with an all-new LMP2 coupe design.

HPD are known to be interested in submitting an expression of interest.

Wolf: Will submit expression of interest for their all new ‘Tornado’ LMP2 Coupe.

That makes up to nine potential bidders (with other possible too)

Oreca,Onroak,Multi/Riley team 'murica and then ?? The regulations to submit a entry say "The FIA document includes a proviso that candidate companies must be “entirely independent of a major car manufacturer" which should rule out the HPD. I would put Gibson down as the 4th since they have proven to have a successful car.
 
The problem with the Nissans is that no one really knows what to expect, because the team itself has been secretive about it, not to mention all the teething problems. We know the Audis, Porsches and Toyotas and what they're worth, what are their strengths and weaknesses, but Nissan's been a whole lot of nothing so far, and that's ultimately what's going to hurt them. Claiming this and that is fine, but if the thing can't do anything it's claimed to be doing, it'll end up being the joke of the field. And claiming they're shooting for a 2016 overall win is cheeky, since they'll probably have to scrap the whole concept and start anew. Like I said earlier, being different for the sake of being different is not always a good thing.
 
The problem with the Nissans is that no one really knows what to expect, because the team itself has been secretive about it, not to mention all the teething problems. We know the Audis, Porsches and Toyotas and what they're worth, what are their strengths and weaknesses, but Nissan's been a whole lot of nothing so far, and that's ultimately what's going to hurt them. Claiming this and that is fine, but if the thing can't do anything it's claimed to be doing, it'll end up being the joke of the field. And claiming they're shooting for a 2016 overall win is cheeky, since they'll probably have to scrap the whole concept and start anew. Like I said earlier, being different for the sake of being different is not always a good thing.
Again, way too early to tell. And they haven't really been secretive about anything, in fact they've given us more insider information than probably the other three main competitors combined.
 
Doubt it. :lol:

I am cheering them on, but only for them to finish. Expecting any more than that just leads to disappointment. :P
I'm sure its safe to cheer for them to lead at least 1 lap too. :) I am!

Urm, quite off topic, but has anyone here who's been to Le Mans know the best places for general viewing? And camping tips :P
I haven't been there but I would make a point to watch the first lap from the grandstands, walk around the entire circuit. And be back in the grandstands for the last lap. :)


I'm calling it right now, with 3 cars I see at least one of them finishing even if they have to steal parts from the other two that don't.
I agree at least 1 will finish, I'm going to make a prediction too. One of the Nissan's will get wrecked by a GT Am Ferrari 458. :)

The problem with the Nissans is that no one really knows what to expect, because the team itself has been secretive about it, not to mention all the teething problems. We know the Audis, Porsches and Toyotas and what they're worth, what are their strengths and weaknesses, but Nissan's been a whole lot of nothing so far, and that's ultimately what's going to hurt them. Claiming this and that is fine, but if the thing can't do anything it's claimed to be doing, it'll end up being the joke of the field. And claiming they're shooting for a 2016 overall win is cheeky, since they'll probably have to scrap the whole concept and start anew. Like I said earlier, being different for the sake of being different is not always a good thing.
There's an onboard video of them at the Corvette Museums miniature La Sarthe. The Nissan went 325kph on the replica of the Mulsanne straight without its hybrid system. In comparison, in 2012 Audi's speed on the Mulsanne was 325 in 2012 also the Toyota was at 330 kph with their 2 MJ systems.

I am confident in saying that the Nissan will perform better on the straights than Audi and Toyota at 2012 levels... the problem is, that was 3 years ago. Toyota and Audi have significantly improved both of their cars since then too.
 
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I haven't been there but I would make a point to watch the first lap from the grandstands, walk around the entire circuit. And be back in the grandstands for the last lap. :)

Hmm the entire circuit.. I have been there and I wanted that too but didn't really liked it. From Indianapolis to Tertre Rouge is fun but the rest is a bit mehh. If I go again I would take a bicycle with me.

Best circuit to walk around till now have been Spa Francorchamps for me. I've once brought my moped with me and I've been around the circuit numerous times that day. Last two years I have been walking the entire lap, enjoying the nature. As I'm Dutch and used to smoking, I tried that too in Spa and had no problems. I just walked into the forest for two minutes, sat down on a rock (I could even see the cars passing by) and rolled one up. One of the nicest moments to enjoy one :) The car sounds echoing in the forest gave me goosebumps all the time!

Spa is just awesome :gtpflag:
 
I'm amazed by how negative you lot are about the Nissan. This is one of the most exciting racing cars to be made in while and you're all just shooting it down without giving it a chance!

Yeah being realistic it probably won't be right up there with Audi, Porsche and Toyota but personally that doesn't bother me, I'm just happy to see a team try something different. If they win, lose, even if none of the cars finish for whatever reason Nissan definitely have my respect for trying it.
 
The first of many negative status updates to come.

It's 2am here, I'm going to bed. Let's see how many more we can get before I check the thread in about 8 hours.
It's not negative it's a factual post it did cause the first red flag and the fastest currently is 16th.
 
It's not negative it's a factual post it did cause the first red flag and the fastest currently is 16th.
So if it's factual it's a positive story? Stop typing the first thing that comes into your head. At least make sure it makes sense first, and isn't just stringing words together.
 
It was the same with the DeltaWing, everyone laughed, but in the end it proved the concept works.
The problem with the Nissans is that no one really knows what to expect, because the team itself has been secretive about it, not to mention all the teething problems. We know the Audis, Porsches and Toyotas and what they're worth, what are their strengths and weaknesses, but Nissan's been a whole lot of nothing so far, and that's ultimately what's going to hurt them. Claiming this and that is fine, but if the thing can't do anything it's claimed to be doing, it'll end up being the joke of the field. And claiming they're shooting for a 2016 overall win is cheeky, since they'll probably have to scrap the whole concept and start anew. Like I said earlier, being different for the sake of being different is not always a good thing.
No other manufacturer was as transparent as Nissan, they released full specs, pictures, graphics and other details.
There's just no better test than being on the track itself.



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Please explain how it isn't eligible... it's passed the crash tests (admittedly late, which meant they missed Silverstone and Spa due to the homologation deadline rules on newly crash-tested chassis'), it's running in the same ERS category as the winning Audi from last year, and is deploying that energy through the same wheels as the ICE, which is perfectly legal...

This was my concern, and it coincides with the link @mustafur posted. Which could have been posted earlier and this wouldn't have gone so far,

@trustjab not sure which alternative personality your going by these days, Seth? Or Seths cousin? Either way.
Turbulent air will cause low, high and vacuum pressures around and within the car, thus having the possibility of losing bodywork or in worst case scenario crash, then there is heat soak, which will affect every part on the car that relies on clean air flow to remain cool, steering, brakes etc, things that could have been revised and developed further just by participating,
 
@trustjab not sure which alternative personality your going by these days, Seth? Or Seths cousin? Either way.
Turbulent air will cause low, high and vacuum pressures around and within the car, thus having the possibility of losing bodywork or in worst case scenario crash, then there is heat soak, which will affect every part on the car that relies on clean air flow to remain cool, steering, brakes etc, things that could have been revised and developed further just by participating,

Don't tell Don Panoz this.
 
Thanks @Holdenhsvgtsr :)

I notice that @TDZdave can't provide any evidence to support his claim of illegal cars and nor has he retracted it. That's a shame really, I was looking forward to seeing what he'd spotted that the scrutineers hadn't. Ach so. :D
 
Thanks @Holdenhsvgtsr :)

I notice that @TDZdave can't provide any evidence to support his claim of illegal cars and nor has he retracted it. That's a shame really, I was looking forward to seeing what he'd spotted that the scrutineers hadn't. Ach so. :D

Try scrolling up, I questioned the legality of the car regarding its crash testing etc, never claimed it wad illegal,
 
Hmm the entire circuit.. I have been there and I wanted that too but didn't really liked it. From Indianapolis to Tertre Rouge is fun but the rest is a bit mehh. If I go again I would take a bicycle with me.

Best circuit to walk around till now have been Spa Francorchamps for me. I've once brought my moped with me and I've been around the circuit numerous times that day. Last two years I have been walking the entire lap, enjoying the nature. As I'm Dutch and used to smoking, I tried that too in Spa and had no problems. I just walked into the forest for two minutes, sat down on a rock (I could even see the cars passing by) and rolled one up. One of the nicest moments to enjoy one :) The car sounds echoing in the forest gave me goosebumps all the time!

Spa is just awesome :gtpflag:
I walked a couple of times around Spa too and once got stuck in a field on the wrong side of the track @ Pouhon.
Also lit up some funny cigarettes all around the track as that was my stoned period, even smoked one on the main stand in front of the Uniroyal tower, nobody said a thing haha and each time i drive by there virtually i'm reminded of it.

Great times, can't wait until my boy grows up (hopefully he'll be into motorsports just like his dad), and go and visit races with him.
 
Try scrolling up, I questioned the legality of the car regarding its crash testing etc, never claimed it wad illegal,

The fact is there are 3 cars on the entry list that as far as I know are still not compliant with the safety regulations, yet they are still guaranteed slots on the grid, this is where the FIA/ ACO should have stepped in and said, "you have to this date to prove your safety and technology or we will give on slot of yours away, then you will have to this date before we give the other slot away,"

So show that their legality is in question (and by dint their illegality). You must be incorrect or there must be other agreements in place with the organisers/stewards/scrutineers to allow them to race.

Where is Nissan?

At the bottom :) EDIT: Tree'd by @mister dog :D

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