I had a lot of problems keeping up with the M3 during our online race. Now that it is completely tuned it must be a hell of a car. Only shame about it is that I think it's really ugly!
Review: TLD BMW M3
Just took this baby for a couple of laps around Suzuka and I gotta say I'm impressed.
I've been pretty much owning this track in an EVO-X, only running into problems against a well driven NSX or another EVO-X but the BMW is so far ahead of the EVO I can't wait to get it online!
Turn 1/2 I been throwing the evo in here, going deep into the second braking point then dropping to 2nd to pull the nose back around for the trip out. Not so with the M3 - I have a lot more control over this beast, doesn't seem to matter what speed you're doing and how many lateral g's, it responds to the lightest steering input like I'm hardly moving. T1/2 feel so controlled I'm convinced this is a slug but a quick check of the speedo assures me I'm well in the ballpark of a good exit speed and we're off to the esses.
I usually dab the brakes going in here in 4th, shifting down to third with a bit of left foot brake for the first right hander. The beemer, on the other hand, really doesn't seem to care - I tell it to turn in and it does, drop to third and much less left foot required. The steering is really bang on here, not a hint of over or understeer just point and shoot!
I catch the exit line way early around gyaku bank and then I'm flat out into dunlop and around, almost as if it wasn't a corner at all. Gyaku Bank, under normal circumstances, takes a lot of braking to stay on the apex not in the BMW, quick stamp on the stop pedal, turn in hard then it's accellerator all the way. This almost feels like cheating.
The entry to Degner goes by without a fuss (I repeat - entry to Degner without a fuss!!!) and, as soon as I'm back on the throttle I have steering again so I can nonchalantly line it up for the 90degree right hander. I mean usually it's aim for the green flash on the kerb and hope it all works out for me but now I'm trying to decide just how much kerb I want to take - (in millimeters!)
Under the bridge and pushing round the fast right before the hairpin, I stamp on the brakes, as usual but still I'm not loosing any steering ability, even under such extreme braking, I guide the car, effortlessly along the camber which is the key to applying so much brake at this angle and this speed and then around the hairpin itself, gunning it out a bit early just to see if it's possible to lose the back end. Doesn't seem so, it's almost as if the car is telling me "ready when you are" I feel ashamed - should have stamped on the throttle sooner - wuss!
No surprises up through 200R plenty of torque with smooth acceleration all the way, again I'm not fighting with the handling as I brake into spoon I mean I'm stamping on the anchors at 130+ and It feels like I'm maneuvering into a parking spot at Tescos. Is there nothing that will phase this beast?
Seems not I slice round 130R at about 125 - that's only 5 less than my average GTLM speed, and a hell of a lot less scary to boot! My new best friend the M3 steering rack is offering me a plethora of options, "A little off the back sir?", "Little bit wider sir?", "little bit tighter?", "somethig for the weekend sir?"
Casio - my favourite place to make up time. You nail this well you can take a half second bite or more from the guy in front's lead. Okay scratch that, in an M3 if I nail this right I think I might be able to lap the guy in front. "erm... didn't there used to be a really fiddly chicane there?" I think to myself as I scream around the corner and down onto the home straight.
Pro's - Steering under acceleration, steering under braking, just generally steering, steering and more steering. It's fast too so you get really nice exits to go along with your really nice entries.
Con's - It's just too damned easy - I'm going to feel like a bit of a cheat taking this thing out against online opponents
First review for my new 'hire' a driver system.
Review
So, the TLD M3, an already great car (in my opinion) made much better by some clever suspension work, brilliant gearing, and excellent choice of compromise in keeping the weight and power similar instead of leaning towards one.
Ok, more in depth now, as i stepped into the car, the V8 powerplant warmed up and ready to go, i entered the first corner of Suzuka carefully, keeping in mind the M3 is no Elise, its a heavy car. I find myself instantly shocked by my own lack of confidence when i turn in realising what this car could do.
I continue on into the rest of the curves, gaining confidence as the smooth ride takes me round them with ease. No drama, no problem. Dunlop, a good test for understeer, is no problem, and a high speed is maintained as i feel confident enough to go round the outside of the competitor infront of me. A brave move in many vehicles, not so in the TLD M3.
Soon i find myself coming down on the hairpin, overconfident by the cars fantastic grip and response, i brake as late as i dare, turn in, hit the throttle in 2nd gear and slide round with ease. In no other car as of yet have i truly felt a slide would be such a simple task. Next, 200R a good test for understeer under acceleration or indeed oversteer, but obviously nd 4 holden spd didn't believe in their existence when tuning this M3, completely neutral and balanced.
Spoon curve feels like a small obstacle when i come to it, smooth and flowing the car continues to impress. 130R looming it was time to really see just how far i can push it, i hit the brakes late after a good turn of speed for a car in this class, turn in at around 130+ (remember this thing has no extra downforce). Nothing, again no drama.
A couple of laps later i find myself sliding out the rear end to test how controllable it is when you push just that bit to hard, trust me you will with so much grip, it's so controllable, so simple to turn a what looks like a bad situation into a smooth slide. Impressive on the R3 tyres for it to be this way.
6-7 laps later i feel a new track is in order, Daytona Road was my choice, and the car keeps delivering what it had been in Japan, grip, grip and more grip.
There's not really alot to talk about, because its so damn poised and neutral, nothing phases the TLD M3.
Summary
- Controllable, easy to drive, great for less experienced drivers.
- Did someone say confidence or did I not say it enough above? You get bags of it from driving this car.
- Push to hard, I didn't even begin to panick once the tail finally breaks loose, more often then not, it needs to be forced out yet it doesn't snap back from the high levels of grip.
Finally, i couldn't put it better myself.
Highly recommend trying it.
9/10
I'm having trouble in the second pp630 race, Daytona road. This track really hates me, Would the M3 be a good buy for this track? and what should increase in terms of tuning?
*update*
After racing online with this most of tonight I've realised that it's a bit off the pace on the straights, suffering badly to the nsx's and subarus. My evo-X loses to them but not quite so badly. Problem seems to be mainly centered around 2nd gear exits not being torquey enough, maybe something could be done with the gearing to help with this?
That said it's still a hell of a fun drive!
Well, earlier today I was planning to make a review of the M3, but the thing is that there already are like 3 reviews posted, and can't agree more with all of them, yes it does give you a lot of confidence, yes it's surprisingly fast, stable and neutral, yes it's a lot of fun to drive and it really surprises you, it gives you the confidence of the world, when I drove the stock M3 I thought it felt very heavy and a little sluggish, and to be honest it still feels heavy but as in a planted kind of heavy, but oh well I think I should stop now and as much as this wasn't exactly a review I'll give it a rating of 9/10
You didn't mention the sound? Thanks for the review. Sorry if I made it too good I didn't think it would be so easy when I first thought of trying it, after so many people claimed it was the "worst handling car in GT5". You know you can request a car now if you like.👍
Slow on the straights? It may not be the fastest but I don't find I have many problems with it in terms of straight line speed.
Sound=meh Ford GT is how a V8 is supposed to sound, BM lacks spherical dangly bits.
I'm trying to make up my mind what I want you to tune for me next - I'll let you know when I've decided.
Only slow by comparison mate. I do think something could be done to help the pickup in 2nd gear tho - feels just a tad soft. It aint about top end - it's how quick you get there.
nd 4 holden spdSorry for the wait. TLD had some shipping issues and the first vehicles for both of you were badlt damaged. We had to get 2 more NSXs and apply the performance parts and settings.
Honda NSX Type-R
(228kw) (328Nm) (1079kg) (600 PP) (Pro Physics)
Description: To infinity and beyond! Easily the fastest car I've driven in 600 PP. Bit harder to drive still though, so haven't made it 100% easy to drive, but easier than before. Have fun both of you.
Con's - It's just too damned easy - I'm going to feel like a bit of a cheat taking this thing out against online opponents
A couple of laps later i find myself sliding out the rear end to test how controllable it is when you push just that bit to hard, trust me you will with so much grip, it's so controllable, so simple to turn a what looks like a bad situation into a smooth slide..
P.S. a little side note. Another car that I have had for a long time and never really got the hang of is the Aston Martin DB9. Since the specs of these cars are quite similar I thought to myself I'd give my DB9 a spin with these settings and it was the best I have ever had with that car as well, bare in mind the tune is of course for the M3 but it does the DB9 a world of justice in my own opinion. At least I'll be driving the DB9 with this tune as well until I see a better one(if there is one), the far best I have tried on the DB9 as well.
So there you have it two cars tuned for the price of one
Thats interesting, because the (as yet) unreleased TLD DB9 has slightly different specs to that M3. I might have to test that and see which is better.
If you're wondering, yes the TLD DB9 is AWESOME!
Thats interesting, because the (as yet) unreleased TLD DB9 has slightly different specs to that M3. I might have to test that and see which is better.
If you're wondering, yes the TLD DB9 is AWESOME!
(Sorry Holden if you didnt want the people to know about the DB9 tune yet, but I couldnt resist after reading this)
Can't wait until this tune becomes public, i jut love the looks of this car, and for the little time I've driven it I think it could be really good with some work in the suspension.
And I don't think that N4HS wanted to keep it a secret as he has talked about the DB9 tune in previous posts.
Great racing you online tonight Apollo on that N4HS M3 tune
Thats interesting, because the (as yet) unreleased TLD DB9 has slightly different specs to that M3. I might have to test that and see which is better.
If you're wondering, yes the TLD DB9 is AWESOME!
(Sorry Holden if you didnt want the people to know about the DB9 tune yet, but I couldnt resist after reading this)
Wow i didn't know you were from GTP, I was actually surprised to see such a good racer on another M3, I suppose you were using TLD's tune, thanks for the great reaces man and I hope I never pushed you or such things I've been having some accidents today.
Yeah we had some great races, you never pushed me not that I noticed, I am just such a rookie online. I can race really well and push my cars quite well offline, in Arcade, or the events but when I go online and see a name above the car I get all worked up, start sweating like a dork and the heart rate rises and I force myself into stupid mistakes because I am so occupied by the cars with names above them all around me. So those times I went into the sand when I was in front of you they were all mistakes by me I was so occupied watching your name and driving !!! I get so nervous and sweaty after racing online I need to take a shower for christ sakes really need to chill out a little.
Would be especially cool if GT5 allows custom paint jobs, just imagine, TLD sponsored cars,
Hey Holden, I just had a look at the other forums and it seems you're getting popular all over the GT boards, the GT5net guys have linked your BMW M3 when talking about possible cars to use in the upcoming GT board battle.
You're fast becoming the most famous tuning garage out there, so keep up the good work!
Review:
Longest Review I've ever seen
I forgot to add some cons:
1) Why didn't I request this tune a month ago?
2) This car will make you feel like you are cheating.
3) Why didn't I request this car a month ago?
4) R4 tires would rip out the pavement!!! 👍
I've been dying to get my hands on a decent setup for this since a bunch of french guys have been smoking my ass on suzuka with them.
When you releasing this tune to general public Holden?
Review: BMW M3
I totally agree with the reviews from P3nT4gR4m, Dragonistic and Apollo87.
I bought the M3 along time ago and never really got it to do me any favors, I thought to my self "I just can't handle this car, better park it in the garage and move on" - like you do with any girl that you just can't deal with.
But when I read the reviews this tune was getting I just had to take it out for a one last spin, and man was I wrong !! "ONE LAST SPIN, MY A.. !!"
This setup gives you everything you need. Great handling, very good acceleration, great handling, excellent braking, great handling, impressive top speed and yes did I mention great handling ? nd 4 holden spd - What did you do to the handling ? Change my physics back to Standard ?
After a 10-20 laps on Suzuka I was doing power slides just for the fun of it through the S curves my confidence was running so high. No matter how hard you push this beast it just grips and grips and grips, "You want a millimeter more to the right? - No problem"
Finally few quotes I just couldn't have put better myself:
10 / 10
P.S. a little side note. Another car that I have had for a long time and never really got the hang of is the Aston Martin DB9. Since the specs of these cars are quite similar I thought to myself I'd give my DB9 a spin with these settings and it was the best I have ever had with that car as well, bare in mind the tune is of course for the M3 but it does the DB9 a world of justice in my own opinion. At least I'll be driving the DB9 with this tune as well until I see a better one(if there is one), the far best I have tried on the DB9 as well.
So there you have it two cars tuned for the price of one
Thats interesting, because the (as yet) unreleased TLD DB9 has slightly different specs to that M3. I might have to test that and see which is better.
If you're wondering, yes the TLD DB9 is AWESOME!
(Sorry Holden if you didnt want the people to know about the DB9 tune yet, but I couldnt resist after reading this)
Wow i didn't know you were from GTP, I was actually surprised to see such a good racer on another M3, I suppose you were using TLD's tune, thanks for the great reaces man and I hope I never pushed you or such things I've been having some accidents today.
woah I need a ps3 with GT5P...nice work N4HS...dont forget AT
Thanks TLD for making some great cars! Well done and keep them coming.
nd4hs...... just took the M3 for a lap or 2 around Suzuka and dropped in to pay homage......... what an incredible tune!!!
Now that I have finished A-3, I will go back to driving TLD cars online. First up the M3 and XK - what great reviews for the M3. Kudos to all.
I would like to make a request tune: the Art Morrison Corvette.
I just love the looks and sound of the car but whatever I do to the setup seems to make it worse than the default, so I leave it as it is and just go joy-riding. I would love to see what TLD tuners could do with it.
Does the TLD Tamora settings work on Tuscan Speed Six?
Hey Holden, I just had a look at the other forums and it seems you're getting popular all over the GT boards, the GT5net guys have linked your BMW M3 when talking about possible cars to use in the upcoming GT board battle.
You're fast becoming the most famous tuning garage out there, so keep up the good work!
Whats next? Your own F1 team when GT5 finally comes out? TLD Grand Prix...sounds cool, lol. Would be especially cool if GT5 allows custom paint jobs, just imagine, TLD sponsored cars,
I think the GT community's future looks very interesting.
I would like to be a TLD sponsored dirver
Just tried the TLD M3...it almost verges on cheating! It's all been said before in reviews, but just wanated to reiterate how awesome this tune is Totally decimated in 600PP Suzuka.
Another triumphant tune by TLD. Keep up the good work mate
Hats off for the Swift tune, much better than mine. That car corners like it on rails, it was immense through the esses at Suzuka and after the bridge at the HSR. For sure the top end speed sucks but I won a couple at Suzuka and even one at the HSR with it. Maybe being small it is harder for the following cars to get a slipstream , because that straight at HSR seems to last forever.
Also took the Lancia out, it felt very underpowered though my laptimes were faster than they seemed. Not sure about it, I will have a few more rides later.
Just before retiring tried the AM 'Vette, but I could not steer it. Went back to QT saw there was lots of PPs to spare so upped the power - still no good, then noticed that I had put S3s on the front . I think we will have another play tonight.