The Lion's Den - California Now Released

[doblocruiser]

Well to say, only with approval of the Lion's Den, because this garage tuned the most rides for me and I'm very happy with it.

I feel like being in 2 candy stores....

hihihi

 

[HulaG]

Well have fun guys =) I don't have time right now for race, need to go to school =// but maybe next time if there will be any spots i could use

 

[GTP_JASE72]

Damn missed the boat.

Maybe next time

 

[Ardius]

Ack, I would drive too, I'd say I'm a loyal TLD driver, but I wouldn't especially mind driving for other garages. Whoever can provide a car, I will drive for. 👍

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

REVIEW for the TLD Ferrari 512BB :
Got it a go on 600pp Suzuka / PRO, like always - can't stand standard physics !
What i found out is that soft springs in the front on most cars just don't work for me. Must be something in my driving style, but that's no problem at all since it's easy to adjust the suspension for my suits The gear ratios are very good again spot on!
So I was able to make a very nice setup using the TLD setup as base.👍
Should I pm you my setup, really curious what your thoughts are? Anyone from GTP members is interested, feel free to ask 👍
My best time so far was a 2:20xx Suzuka / PRO , dunno if this is any good - it felt good however

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well have fun guys =) I don't have time right now for race, need to go to school =// but maybe next time if there will be any spots i could use

Damn missed the boat.

Maybe next time

Ack, I would drive too, I'd say I'm a loyal TLD driver, but I wouldn't especially mind driving for other garages. Whoever can provide a car, I will drive for. 👍

None of you are too late, we haven't done the race yet. I figure I'll just post my setup here as an actual TLD tune, and you can post your setup in you garage 888, then the drivers can get them, and race them. Are we doing it time trial style with drivers driving both tunes?

REVIEW for the TLD Ferrari 512BB :
Got it a go on 600pp Suzuka / PRO, like always - can't stand standard physics !
What i found out is that soft springs in the front on most cars just don't work for me. Must be something in my driving style, but that's no problem at all since it's easy to adjust the suspension for my suits The gear ratios are very good again spot on!
So I was able to make a very nice setup using the TLD setup as base.👍
Should I pm you my setup, really curious what your thoughts are? Anyone from GTP members is interested, feel free to ask 👍
My best time so far was a 2:20xx Suzuka / PRO , dunno if this is any good - it felt good however

Having soft front springs, and stiff rear springs means the car will turn better then before. On an MR car it also makes them more stable too it seems.(probably something to do with supporting the weight) With stiffer front suspension I imagine that yours will underseer more and be less stable. I got a 2'16 lap time in my tune for reference. Thank for driving it nonetheless. If you found something that works for you then that's fine by me.👍

 

[GTP_JASE72]

None of you are too late, we haven't done the race yet. I figure I'll just post my setup here as an actual TLD tune, and you can post your setup in you garage 888, then the driverscan get them, and race them. Are we doing it time trial style with drivers driving both tunes?

Cool.

 

[HulaG]

yea nice

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

TLD Ford GT​

(411kw) (678Nm) (1334kg) (749 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: 0
Weight: 92%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -15/-10
Spring Rate: 3/8
Damper: 9/3
Toe: -0.20/0.0
Camber: 1.5/1.5

Brake Balance: 1/3

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS at 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 2.250
2nd: 1.518
3rd: 1.163
4th: 0.936
5th: 0.785
6th: 0.686
Final: 4.648

Description: The Ford GT, the successor to the legendary GT40. It's not the best handling supercar in the world, but it has gob fulls of straight line speed, and TLD has utilised this to make the Ford GT. People can drive it at Suzuka if they wish, but it will not perform there like at Fuji. TLD worked on ways to sub-due the lift off oversteer, and it is now one of the fastest cars around Fuji, easily pulling sub 1'40 lap times. The best part? The more you bury your right foot into the firewall, the less chance you have of spinning, have fun!

 

[BB-ANDY-]

hey, are you going to tune the Ford GT LM Test car?

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Hey holden I meant to get back to you about the setup.

My thoughts - You did well with the suspension and brakes, makes it more manageable but, unfortunately, still not into contention for the suzuka TT (but thats the cars fault not yours)

One thing I did with it is throw the gears right out long so I'm only using 4 the whole track. I've done this before with the GT where there are low gravity (top of hill) corners. It means coming out the esses and round dunlop you don't have to back off when you shift up to 3rd at the top of the hill.

Also from the hairpin there are two shifts coming up to spoon and if you get them right the nose turns in with the shift, bringing you back onto the line whilst keeping it floored.

I've copied your suspension and brakes onto the tuned GT and it works even better on that car. Sadly the Stock GT just isn't a competition winner but it's still, by far, one of the most fun cars to drive.

That's "fun" in the - wrestling with a pocket full of tigers - sense

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Having soft front springs, and stiff rear springs means the car will turn better then before. On an MR car it also makes them more stable too it seems.(probably something to do with supporting the weight) With stiffer front suspension I imagine that yours will underseer more and be less stable. I got a 2'16 lap time in my tune for reference. Thank for driving it nonetheless. If you found something that works for you then that's fine by me.👍

Yeah I know you're right about the springs, although a more balanced setting suits me more, for example I often make a slight flick(LOL too much driven on gravel and ice I have...) before turns and with softer springs i'll just lose it because of the weight transfer.
Well thought it be interesting to get your view, sometimes its funny how different the setups can be with the same outcome, you know ?

cheers

 

[HulaG]

Hey holden, I tried up ur Ferrari 512BB. It's a fast car and fun to drive but it felt bit too bouncy. :/ I changed spring rates from 3/7 to 6/9 and it got bit more stable and maybe it's bit easier to get back to line after step up. But nice car again awesome gear ratio,very fun to drive and really quick on straights! Nice job again!! my best time so far is 2.17 on suzuka.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

TLD TVR Tamora
(296kw) (437Nm) (901kg) (690 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +18
Weight: 85%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -22/-20
Spring Rates: 4/7
Damper: 5/4
Toe: -0.10/-0.10
Camber: 1.5/1.1

Brake Balance: 2/6

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.418
2nd: 2.550
3rd: 1.871
4th: 1.436
5th: 1.136
Final: 2.888

Description: The awaited TVR Tamora is here. A raw and hard hitting driving feel surrounds this car, and it's not too slow. That said, it's not really fast either, but in any good driver's hands I think a podium finish is a reasonable ask in any race.

 

[doblocruiser]

👍 Thank you!

 

[PlusP357]

TLD TVR Tamora
(240kw) (379Nm) (1060kg) (600 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)​

Thanks for fulfilling my request for this car. It is one of my favorite cars to race online and I have had a number of wins with it with my present setup. I am certain that yours will be much better. I will post a review of my results with your tune ASAP. 👍

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

hey, are you going to tune the Ford GT LM Test car?

I have no plans for it in the near future. Sometimes customer requests change these plans, otherwise that Road GT wouldn't be there right now.

Hey holden I meant to get back to you about the setup.

My thoughts - You did well with the suspension and brakes, makes it more manageable but, unfortunately, still not into contention for the suzuka TT (but thats the cars fault not yours)

One thing I did with it is throw the gears right out long so I'm only using 4 the whole track. I've done this before with the GT where there are low gravity (top of hill) corners. It means coming out the esses and round dunlop you don't have to back off when you shift up to 3rd at the top of the hill.

Also from the hairpin there are two shifts coming up to spoon and if you get them right the nose turns in with the shift, bringing you back onto the line whilst keeping it floored.

I've copied your suspension and brakes onto the tuned GT and it works even better on that car. Sadly the Stock GT just isn't a competition winner but it's still, by far, one of the most fun cars to drive.

That's "fun" in the - wrestling with a pocket full of tigers - sense

I can't ever see it being good at Suzuka, just like the Corvette never will be. This GT seems to work at HSR though, I guess it's in its element there.

Yeah I know you're right about the springs, although a more balanced setting suits me more, for example I often make a slight flick(LOL too much driven on gravel and ice I have...) before turns and with softer springs i'll just lose it because of the weight transfer.
Well thought it be interesting to get your view, sometimes its funny how different the setups can be with the same outcome, you know ?

cheers

Sometimes I will make tunes that don't suit all drivers, it's an unavoidable occurence. I agree, there are very many ways to tune a car and have similar performance and feel. That's why anyone claiming to have the "perfect" or "right" setup is full of BS.

Hey holden, I tried up ur Ferrari 512BB. It's a fast car and fun to drive but it felt bit too bouncy. :/ I changed spring rates from 3/7 to 6/9 and it got bit more stable and maybe it's bit easier to get back to line after step up. But nice car again awesome gear ratio,very fun to drive and really quick on straights! Nice job again!! my best time so far is 2.17 on suzuka.

How do you mean "bouncy"? Just wondering because there are no bumps on Suzuka. My best time in it is around 2'16 flat, you have to keep in mind that in an MR car all the weight is in the back (engine, gearbox, diff) so stiff springs may not be required at the front at all times because there's no weight in need of support (i.e. soft springs will do the same as stiffer ones anyway) It all gets very complicated, there are other factors as well, and if you found something that works for you from using my tune then I'm happy for you.

👍 Thank you!

You're welcome.

Thanks for fulfilling my request for this car. It is one of my favorite cars to race online and I have had a number of wins with it with my present setup. I am certain that yours will be much better. I will post a review of my results with your tune ASAP. 👍

No probs, happy to do it. Look forward to your comments.👍

 

[HulaG]

Not sure if "bouncy" was right word but i ment that it felt to seesaw bit on the turns.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Not sure if "bouncy" was right word but i ment that it felt to seesaw bit on the turns.

You mean snap-back from slides?

 

[HulaG]

You mean snap-back from slides?

Well not quite, damn don't know the right words to explain :/ but at the end of turn it seesaws a bit from left to the right or otherway

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well not quite, damn don't know the right words to explain :/ but at the end of turn it seesaws a bit from left to the right or otherway

You mean a power slide? Smooth is certainly the key with this car, but get it right and it's a really pleasurable drive.

 

[HulaG]

After the power slides on higher angle after u straight up the car it flip-flopp's from left to right and was easy to loose a control for moment

 

[doblocruiser]

[A BIT OFF TOPIC MODE ON]
Something for the tuners, well and the sound enthusiasts

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/99761/9b285bf4/hoe_een_ferrari_echt_hoort_te_klinken_.html

👍 please PD.......
[A BIT OFF TOPIC MODE OFF]

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

After the power slides on higher angle after u straight up the car it flip-flopp's from left to right and was easy to loose a control for moment

Oh, you mean body roll, it rolls one from one side to the other exiting corners. I might take a look at it if that be the case, but I doubt it affects performance much.

Edit: Hence the need for stabilisers to be able to be modified.

[A BIT OFF TOPIC MODE ON]
Something for the tuners, well and the sound enthusiasts

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/99761/9b285bf4/hoe_een_ferrari_echt_hoort_te_klinken_.html

👍 please PD.......
[A BIT OFF TOPIC MODE OFF]

I don't get it, what's special about a Fezza on a dyno spewing flames that relates to tuning?

 

[doblocruiser]

I don't get it, what's special about a Fezza on a dyno spewing flames that relates to tuning?

The video is not so special, it was purely the sound that strikes my ears which is quite nice

You can't deny it has quit a nice sound

Nothing more than that

Kind regards,
galgospeed

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

The video is not so special, it was purely the sound that strikes my ears which is quite nice

You can't deny it has quit a nice sound

Nothing more than that

Kind regards,
galgospeed

Oh I misread your post, when you said "sound enthusiasts" I thought you meant humble enthusiasts Considering what the tuned Corvette and Viper sound like I have very little hope for good sounding exhausts in the full GT5.

 

[doblocruiser]

 

[Zero]

Description: The Ford GT, the successor to the legendary GT40. It's not the best handling supercar in the world, but it has gob fulls of straight line speed, and TLD has utilised this to make the Ford GT HSR special. People can drive it at Suzuka if they wish, but it will not perform there like at HSR. In fact, it may not even perform well against wall riders at HSR either, but against some clean racers, provided they aren't driving the Tuned version of this very car, it should do very well. This came about as a customer request car, although not aimed at HSR, but that's where this tune ended up working. Enjoy.

I did manage 1 lap of a 1.05.678 at HSR. I have not been able to duplicate that since. I was spun out on lap 1 and was pushing very very hard to catch up. Did a few 1.06.xxx's during that race also. Lovely tune.

 

[NLxAROSA]

I tried your settings for the Ford GT. Although very good, I guess the GT is just not my car. I also tried the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car, which feels better than the regular GT IMHO. But racing the GT feels like doing a chore for me, I always feel like I'm trying to make it do something it doesn't want. I'll stick to the Vette, I find it more fun to drive.
Still, if you want to drive the GT, your settings are pretty good. They also work rather well for the Test Car (the handling, not the gears).
Respect to those that can tame the beast that is called Ford GT though.

 

[PlusP357]

Review: TVR Tamora

Once again, thank you for tuning this car for me as it is one of my favorites. On a side note, I took my World Record back tonight w/ the Tamora in Standard Physics w/ a 2.19.038. I got 6th overall in Professional Physics w/ a 2.25.915. That got me really excited to test your setup. It is with some regret that I have to offer a little constructive criticism in a few areas on an otherwise great setup.

The car has very good turn in capabilities when good throttle control is exhibited. Too much throttle, and I am facing the wrong direction, but that is the nature of RWD in Professional Physics Mode. Your gears were spot on and I only hit the redline very briefly when I occasionally hit a really great corner exit leading to the long straights. That's just the way I like it anyways. I noticed that you set 2nd gear the maximum length and it still exhibits a lot of wheelspin in some areas of track. There is probably not much that can be done about it short of throttle control or an earlier shift in some corners. Gear settings have never "been my thing", so I really have no idea how else to rectify the problem. Other than that, the gears are perfect in my opinion.

A trail braking situation or being forced to brake into/inside a corner, more times than not, will cause the car lose control and enter a spin. Additionally, general braking is unpredictable unless the car is traveling fairly straight.

During an online race, I can already foresee that I would be placed at a major disadvantage when entering T1 at Suzuka because I am forced to do most of my braking much earlier and straighter than I am accustomed to. The reason that this is a major disadvantage is that while I am slowing, I am also fighting to keep the car straight. I often notice that a good number of cars "cut in" during the turn as I am almost forced to brake straight, and only then, can I turn. (Braking at the turn-in usually leads to disaster as the Tamora will usually spin here, or I will go straight into the sand.) While am am busy concentrating on braking completely straight and not wiping out, the rest of the "pack" will have already started to turn in and begin their line up to accelerate out. I generally prefer to trail brake this corner as well as a few others on this track; namely the Spoon Curve. I also wiped out a lot under hard braking going into the Degner Curve and the Casio Triangle. I brake pretty straight before turn-in in these areas so I am kinda baffled here. Would a brake adjustment (ie, more front than rear brake balance) possible cure this? I also found that I had to show greater care and finesse with the throttle (with your setup more than mine) to be able to get a decent time through the S-curves.

I wished I had saved my original setup for testing purposes and lap time comparisons because I never had these problems before. I did notice that your rear camber setting is a 1.1 and I remember my rear camber settings to be a 1.6. That might make a difference regarding trail braking control issues and will further test this out this weekend. My toe settings were very similar (within a degree or two) to yours. However, I ran a ride height almost a 3rd higher (but still well under stock) with a little bit softer spring and damper settings. I had more body roll in my setup, but the car was a little more forgiving under driver error situations and recoverable when I was contacted by another car. I also experienced numerous spinouts or some loss of control when the car's rear tire contacted the curbing. This might be attributed to the low ride height or harder spring/damper, but I am not sure yet. This is another problem that I did not have before.

To be fair, I probably did not do more than 30 or 40 laps on with your setup in the PP600 Free Run. I considered it more of a shakedown to test the tune more than anything. With time, I am sure I can do much better. I wasn't really "in the groove" tonight and was probably not good to switch between Standard and Professional Modes in the Arcade Hot Laps and expect to do well in the Professional PP600 Free Run with a new setup to learn. My average/consistent hot-lap (this evening) w/ your tune in the PP600 Free Run was around the 2.19's give or take. Much of this time involved a lot of trial and error because it was like learning a completely new car considering our setups feel so completely different by comparison.

Keeping your same setup, I jumped over to the PP750 event for some Free Run Hot-lapping only. I wanted to see how the car would perform w/ minimum weight and maximum horsepower. I hit a low 2.15 as my fastest time and my average consistent time was around the 2.16's. (I did not do many laps here though.) I did not change any settings and only decreased the weight to the minimum and increased horsepower to the maximum. Expecting major control issues, I was very surprised to see a big improvement in the handling and more controllability during trail braking. I now have mixed feelings as the car handled so much better with less weight. I am beginning to think that the main factor with my trail braking issues had a lot to due with the weight of the car. Another factor could very well be that we have completely different driving styles.

I think my biggest issue I have with your setup is that I do not feel comfortable pushing the car to its upper limits without fear of losing control. Unfortunately, the Tamora is still at a disadvantage compared to many other cars competing in the PP600, so it is a must that the car be pushed up to its maximum limits in order to compete with the really good drivers. Lap times aren't everything of course, but as your setup is tuned for racing, I feel that it is currently not able to cope with the unexpected in the bump-and-grind online arena; suddenly altered racing line, vehicular contact, slightly running over the grass/sand, loss of control over curbing, etc. (From my PC experience, hot-lap setups are different than race setups. In Hot-Lap setups, many cars would benefit from some instability as there are no other cars on the track to alter the ideal racing line and a "well controlled" unstable car is usually faster than a stable car.) If I am able to maintain the line in a race and exhibit good throttle control in your current setup, I could get around pretty efficiently but if my line gets altered, I expect to be further off pace than normal as I have to take more time than I normally would need to safely control the car. I hope I made sense here.

In short, for this racing setup, I would personally recommend making the car more predictable to the unexpected events that happen in the average race. I would tune it with a little less oversteer or maybe even a tad bit of understeer that could be corrected with some lift-off even at the cost of a little time around the track because stability and the ability to recover in race situations is often more important than best lap times.

I thought it was only fair to give you a timely review of your Tamora setup because you were so expedient in tuning this car for me. Thank you again for sharing your all your great setups with the GTP community. I will do some further testing this weekend when I have a lot more free time and will be sure to relate any changes in my opinion. I have tried most of your other setups and they have given me spectacular results in online racing. I hope I did not come off too harsh in my review of this car because your setup shows a lot potential and with a little bit of TLC, will be great.

I wish I could give more input tonight, but I am doing this review on the laptop instead of the PC and the battery is about to die!!!

P.S. All testing was done w/ Traction control and ABS set to "OFF".