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I did manage 1 lap of a 1.05.678 at HSR. I have not been able to duplicate that since. I was spun out on lap 1 and was pushing very very hard to catch up. Did a few 1.06.xxx's during that race also. Lovely tune.

Thanks man.👍

I tried your settings for the Ford GT. Although very good, I guess the GT is just not my car. I also tried the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car, which feels better than the regular GT IMHO. But racing the GT feels like doing a chore for me, I always feel like I'm trying to make it do something it doesn't want. I'll stick to the Vette, I find it more fun to drive.
Still, if you want to drive the GT, your settings are pretty good. They also work rather well for the Test Car (the handling, not the gears).
Respect to those that can tame the beast that is called Ford GT though.

I whole heartedly agree. The GT is not really my thing either, and is a real job working to control it.

Review: TVR Tamora

Once again, thank you for tuning this car for me as it is one of my favorites. On a side note, I took my World Record back tonight w/ the Tamora in Standard Physics w/ a 2.19.038. I got 6th overall in Professional Physics w/ a 2.25.915. That got me really excited to test your setup. It is with some regret that I have to offer a little constructive criticism in a few areas on an otherwise great setup.

The car has very good turn in capabilities when good throttle control is exhibited. Too much throttle, and I am facing the wrong direction, but that is the nature of RWD in Professional Physics Mode. Your gears were spot on and I only hit the redline very briefly when I occasionally hit a really great corner exit leading to the long straights. That's just the way I like it anyways. I noticed that you set 2nd gear the maximum length and it still exhibits a lot of wheelspin in some areas of track. There is probably not much that can be done about it short of throttle control or an earlier shift in some corners. Gear settings have never "been my thing", so I really have no idea how else to rectify the problem. Other than that, the gears are perfect in my opinion.

A trail braking situation or being forced to brake into/inside a corner, more times than not, will cause the car lose control and enter a spin. Additionally, general braking is unpredictable unless the car is traveling fairly straight.

During an online race, I can already foresee that I would be placed at a major disadvantage when entering T1 at Suzuka because I am forced to do most of my braking much earlier and straighter than I am accustomed to. The reason that this is a major disadvantage is that while I am slowing, I am also fighting to keep the car straight. I often notice that a good number of cars "cut in" during the turn as I am almost forced to brake straight, and only then, can I turn. (Braking at the turn-in usually leads to disaster as the Tamora will usually spin here, or I will go straight into the sand.) While am am busy concentrating on braking completely straight and not wiping out, the rest of the "pack" will have already started to turn in and begin their line up to accelerate out. I generally prefer to trail brake this corner as well as a few others on this track; namely the Spoon Curve. I also wiped out a lot under hard braking going into the Degner Curve and the Casio Triangle. I brake pretty straight before turn-in in these areas so I am kinda baffled here. Would a brake adjustment (ie, more front than rear brake balance) possible cure this? I also found that I had to show greater care and finesse with the throttle (with your setup more than mine) to be able to get a decent time through the S-curves.

I wished I had saved my original setup for testing purposes and lap time comparisons because I never had these problems before. I did notice that your rear camber setting is a 1.1 and I remember my rear camber settings to be a 1.6. That might make a difference regarding trail braking control issues and will further test this out this weekend. My toe settings were very similar (within a degree or two) to yours. However, I ran a ride height almost a 3rd higher (but still well under stock) with a little bit softer spring and damper settings. I had more body roll in my setup, but the car was a little more forgiving under driver error situations and recoverable when I was contacted by another car. I also experienced numerous spinouts or some loss of control when the car's rear tire contacted the curbing. This might be attributed to the low ride height or harder spring/damper, but I am not sure yet. This is another problem that I did not have before.

To be fair, I probably did not do more than 30 or 40 laps on with your setup in the PP600 Free Run. I considered it more of a shakedown to test the tune more than anything. With time, I am sure I can do much better. I wasn't really "in the groove" tonight and was probably not good to switch between Standard and Professional Modes in the Arcade Hot Laps and expect to do well in the Professional PP600 Free Run with a new setup to learn. My average/consistent hot-lap (this evening) w/ your tune in the PP600 Free Run was around the 2.19's give or take. Much of this time involved a lot of trial and error because it was like learning a completely new car considering our setups feel so completely different by comparison.

Keeping your same setup, I jumped over to the PP750 event for some Free Run Hot-lapping only. I wanted to see how the car would perform w/ minimum weight and maximum horsepower. I hit a low 2.15 as my fastest time and my average consistent time was around the 2.16's. (I did not do many laps here though.) I did not change any settings and only decreased the weight to the minimum and increased horsepower to the maximum. Expecting major control issues, I was very surprised to see a big improvement in the handling and more controllability during trail braking. I now have mixed feelings as the car handled so much better with less weight. I am beginning to think that the main factor with my trail braking issues had a lot to due with the weight of the car. Another factor could very well be that we have completely different driving styles.

I think my biggest issue I have with your setup is that I do not feel comfortable pushing the car to its upper limits without fear of losing control. Unfortunately, the Tamora is still at a disadvantage compared to many other cars competing in the PP600, so it is a must that the car be pushed up to its maximum limits in order to compete with the really good drivers. Lap times aren't everything of course, but as your setup is tuned for racing, I feel that it is currently not able to cope with the unexpected in the bump-and-grind online arena; suddenly altered racing line, vehicular contact, slightly running over the grass/sand, loss of control over curbing, etc. (From my PC experience, hot-lap setups are different than race setups. In Hot-Lap setups, many cars would benefit from some instability as there are no other cars on the track to alter the ideal racing line and a "well controlled" unstable car is usually faster than a stable car.) If I am able to maintain the line in a race and exhibit good throttle control in your current setup, I could get around pretty efficiently but if my line gets altered, I expect to be further off pace than normal as I have to take more time than I normally would need to safely control the car. I hope I made sense here.

In short, for this racing setup, I would personally recommend making the car more predictable to the unexpected events that happen in the average race. I would tune it with a little less oversteer or maybe even a tad bit of understeer that could be corrected with some lift-off even at the cost of a little time around the track because stability and the ability to recover in race situations is often more important than best lap times.

I thought it was only fair to give you a timely review of your Tamora setup because you were so expedient in tuning this car for me. Thank you again for sharing your all your great setups with the GTP community. I will do some further testing this weekend when I have a lot more free time and will be sure to relate any changes in my opinion. I have tried most of your other setups and they have given me spectacular results in online racing. I hope I did not come off too harsh in my review of this car because your setup shows a lot potential and with a little bit of TLC, will be great.

I wish I could give more input tonight, but I am doing this review on the laptop instead of the PC and the battery is about to die!!!

P.S. All testing was done w/ Traction control and ABS set to "OFF".

That's one big and awesome review I think you may be right, I tuned ot with fast times in mind in this car. But even now it feels to understeer at inappropriate times to me. The kerbing and spinning issue will more likely be related to the stiffer at rear spring rates. The turn-in was not my favourite in this car, I can look at it again, but I think it just requires steering control to get good turn-in without spining. More sensitivity up front will make it less prone to spinning, and also hurt turn-in ability. I did say it was a raw driving experience, so I guess I was on the money. Learning to control this in race conditions will be the key to success. My best time in it at Suzuka was a high 2'16 in these settings on 600 PP. If you'd really like me to change it for you I can work on it again and send you some private settings for your use, but the public one I feel should not be made to understeer more for stability, speed will be the key to success for this car.

Edit: Actually, don't increase front brakes, decrease rear brakes since you race with ABS off.

 

[HulaG]

Nice race p3nt4! Sad that you drove out on begin of the last lap=/ but nice race trough


ps. i know this isn't right thread but not sure if p3nt4 uses race event thread ^^

 

[Zero]

Holden man do you think you could to a Honda NSX '02 600pp setup? I cannot get this car to take ANY corners, I've tried so many different tunes on it and everytime the rear just goes haywire.

 

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Holden man do you think you could to a Honda NSX '02 600pp setup? I cannot get this car to take ANY corners, I've tried so many different tunes on it and everytime the rear just goes haywire.

I would love to, but could you post a review of one of my current cars first?

 

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TLD Suzuki Swift Sport
(111kw) (161Nm) (901kg) (500 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +16
Weight: 85%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -40/-40
Spring Rates: 9/3
Damper: 6/3
Toe: 0.00/-0.20
Camber: 0.5/0.4

Brake Balance: 2/6

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.597
2nd: 2.057
3rd: 1.431
4th: 1.099
5th: 0.877
Final: 4.388

Description: The first of TLD's cars designed to compete in the Garage Showdowns. TLD has put some work into this car to make it as fast as we hope is possible, of course there never is a perfect setup. Surprisingly this little Swift is not a bad car, and here's to hoping for a fun and closely contested race when the Garage Showdown begins. Best of luck to all TLD representatives.

 

[Zero]

Ford GT HSR Review

Throttle control is a must with this beast. Seeing as how more than half of the car's curb weight is behind the driver. Going into the first turn as High Speed Ring it is very important to keep the powersliding to a minimum because if you mess this turn up the whole lap is basically in the toilet. Entering the first part of turn one at about 195mph. I urge everyone to slowly ease off the gas before the 2nd apex of turn one comes up. Normally I slow this beast down to about 160mph with a little loss of grip from the rear tires to help massage the car through the corner.

The car is going to slide, its inenvitable. For the next turn braking early is the key to keep the car from sliding. If you use manual 4th gear is a great gear for that corner, as to reduce excess wheel spin. Hit the power hard on exit because you will need all the speed the car can muster going over the bridge.

4th gear seems to be the best gear for the right-hander after the bridge. 3rd, in my opinion, spins the tires too much. Most times the grass will be your home. The left-hander that comes up next is an excellent 3rd gear corner because you need to let that big 5.4 supercharged V-8 let loose all its torque.

Exiting the tunnel at about 135mph going into the flat-out right-hander before the final left-hand curve. Again, braking early is very key with this machine. Stay in 4th and if you're going fast enough let the car redline into the final curve. Myself, I keep the car in 4th once again for the final curve. I have found that downshifting into 3rd really upsets the car and the rear end kicks you straight into the wall. The acceleration on the car is fantastic. Onto the home stretch where everyone should be crossing the start-finish line at about 165mph.

 

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Ford GT HSR Review

Throttle control is a must with this beast. Seeing as how more than half of the car's curb weight is behind the driver. Going into the first turn as High Speed Ring it is very important to keep the powersliding to a minimum because if you mess this turn up the whole lap is basically in the toilet. Entering the first part of turn one at about 195mph. I urge everyone to slowly ease off the gas before the 2nd apex of turn one comes up. Normally I slow this beast down to about 160mph with a little loss of grip from the rear tires to help massage the car through the corner.

The car is going to slide, its inenvitable. For the next turn braking early is the key to keep the car from sliding. If you use manual 4th gear is a great gear for that corner, as to reduce excess wheel spin. Hit the power hard on exit because you will need all the speed the car can muster going over the bridge.

4th gear seems to be the best gear for the right-hander after the bridge. 3rd, in my opinion, spins the tires too much. Most times the grass will be your home. The left-hander that comes up next is an excellent 3rd gear corner because you need to let that big 5.4 supercharged V-8 let loose all its torque.

Exiting the tunnel at about 135mph going into the flat-out right-hander before the final left-hand curve. Again, braking early is very key with this machine. Stay in 4th and if you're going fast enough let the car redline into the final curve. Myself, I keep the car in 4th once again for the final curve. I have found that downshifting into 3rd really upsets the car and the rear end kicks you straight into the wall. The acceleration on the car is fantastic. Onto the home stretch where everyone should be crossing the start-finish line at about 165mph.

OK then, cheers. NSX Type R for you then.

 

[PlusP357]

TVR Tamora Update

I finally raced online tonight w/ your Tamora setup. When racing online, I usually set the TC and ABS on most cars to 1 to account for driving error...mine and theirs. Because of the nasty wheelspin and loss of control issues I had under hard braking, I decided to set ABS and TC to around 4 respectively. It made a HUGE difference as I could once again out-brake and out-corner most every competitor on the track. Trail braking is no longer an issue.

The Tamora is definitely not the fastest or best car to inter in the PP600 due to its lower top speed and lower acceleration at high speeds, but it is now a contender. I won a couple and placed well in a number of other races. Additionally, w/ the TC and ABS bumped up a little more than normal, I feel a lot more comfortable pushing the car near its limits. I plan to race it a lot more tomorrow so I can become more comfortable with the tune. As I get a better feel for it, I can also reduce the TC and ABS as well.

Because I have no way of catching certain makes of cars on the straights, I must rely on braking sooner and cornering better than the competition to make up time. The biggest problem I have is judging the braking distances of the cars ahead as I can stop much quicker. It was a real bummer at times because I misjudged the stopping distances of several cars ahead and ended up bumping a couple of them or going off the track to prevent a collision. I feel really bad when that happens and it's my fault.

I usually pray that a few cars ahead screw up in T1 so I can make time through the S-curves because if they stay ahead of me, I am stuck basically coasting behind them. The car breezes through the S-curves very well, but because the other cars tend to eventually slide out into my line, it is not always a good idea to pass them and I end up just tapping the throttle to stay on their bumper because I have no passing power to get by them.

I should have played w/ the ABS and TC before making my initial review because overall, with TC and ABS bumped up a bit, I must say that I am now very pleased with your setup. It is much more predictable. Thanks for your time and hard work.

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For my 3 previous reviews, I am requesting the following cars at your convenience:

Viper SRT-10 Tuned (for Fugi specifically)

Nissan Fairlady Z Ver. S

Honda NSX Type R

 

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TVR Tamora Update

I finally raced online tonight w/ your Tamora setup. When racing online, I usually set the TC and ABS on most cars to 1 to account for driving error...mine and theirs. Because of the nasty wheelspin and loss of control issues I had under hard braking, I decided to set ABS and TC to around 4 respectively. It made a HUGE difference as I could once again out-brake and out-corner most every competitor on the track. Trail braking is no longer an issue.

The Tamora is definitely not the fastest or best car to inter in the PP600 due to its lower top speed and lower acceleration at high speeds, but it is now a contender. I won a couple and placed well in a number of other races. Additionally, w/ the TC and ABS bumped up a little more than normal, I feel a lot more comfortable pushing the car near its limits. I plan to race it a lot more tomorrow so I can become more comfortable with the tune. As I get a better feel for it, I can also reduce the TC and ABS as well.

Because I have no way of catching certain makes of cars on the straights, I must rely on braking sooner and cornering better than the competition to make up time. The biggest problem I have is judging the braking distances of the cars ahead as I can stop much quicker. It was a real bummer at times because I misjudged the stopping distances of several cars ahead and ended up bumping a couple of them or going off the track to prevent a collision. I feel really bad when that happens and it's my fault.

I usually pray that a few cars ahead screw up in T1 so I can make time through the S-curves because if they stay ahead of me, I am stuck basically coasting behind them. The car breezes through the S-curves very well, but because the other cars tend to eventually slide out into my line, it is not always a good idea to pass them and I end up just tapping the throttle to stay on their bumper because I have no passing power to get by them.

I should have played w/ the ABS and TC before making my initial review because overall, with TC and ABS bumped up a bit, I must say that I am now very pleased with your setup. It is much more predictable. Thanks for your time and hard work.

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For my 3 previous reviews, I am requesting the following cars at your convenience:

Viper SRT-10 Tuned (for Fugi specifically)

Nissan Fairlady Z Ver. S

Honda NSX Type R

OK. Just tell me what PP (and physics) and I'll do each one. I don't suppose you'd settle for the Amuse/Opera 350Z instead? Brilliant car really....

 

[PlusP357]

OK. Just tell me what PP (and physics) and I'll do each one. I don't suppose you'd settle for the Amuse/Opera 350Z instead? Brilliant car really....

Opera is fine by me. I am not picky. Just like to race cars that not everyone and his brother is running. As far as the PP, I'll let you judge because I can always make the small adjustments. As soon as you tune for a specific PP and track, PD is probably gonna change the rotation anyways...

Professional Physics would be my preference as I really don't like racing in Standard Physics mode.

Thanks again

P.S. The Viper can get pretty wild, so if you need to, I would be willing to sacrifice some weight or Hp points for additional downforce if need be. I'll let you judge.

 

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Opera is fine by me. I am not picky. Just like to race cars that not everyone and his brother is running. As far as the PP, I'll let you judge because I can always make the small adjustments. As soon as you tune for a specific PP and track, PD is probably gonna change the rotation anyways...

Professional Physics would be my preference as I really don't like racing in Standard Physics mode.

Thanks again

P.S. The Viper can get pretty wild, so if you need to, I would be willing to sacrifice some weight or Hp points for additional downforce if need be. I'll let you judge.

Controllablity is my middle name. I really hope they change nothing in the events. And if they do, they better introduce private rooms at the same time with the option od choosing our own PP. I don't want to have to change all my lovely setups again

 

[Crowsy]

I don't really get on with this tuning lark so go gentle. What cars should I try for the pp630 race?

 

[Apollo87]

Controllablity is my middle name. I really hope they change nothing in the events. And if they do, they better introduce private rooms at the same time with the option od choosing our own PP. I don't want to have to change all my lovely setups again

Well I don't think you'll have to change the tunes cuz' if they take out let's say the 600PP events most probably they'll eventually bring them out again, so even though they take them out your tunes will still be useful, besides as you said, when the private rooms arrive most probably you will be able to choose the PP you want.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I don't really get on with this tuning lark so go gentle. What cars should I try for the pp630 race?

Probably the Nissan GT-R. I think that's what I did it in.

 

[NLxAROSA]

I tried your settings for the Mustang and the XK Coupe. The Mustang drives very nice (even on standard settings), but I find it just too slow. But I guess this is the fastest you can get it to go. The XK Coupe is a different story. Man I love this car, it's very good for 600PP and you don't see it online very often, which is nice.

 

[Dragonistic]

I don't really get on with this tuning lark so go gentle. What cars should I try for the pp630 race?

If it's on Suzuka and you're lucking for an easy drive wth great cornering in exchange for poor top speed, the Evo IX/Tuned has worked great for me in 600PP online, i imagine upping the power would do no harm. It really suffers on the straights though.



Anyway, I tried the TLD S2000 and compared it with mine, personally i found mixing your gearing, some suspension with mine and using my power, weight, downforce settings, has worked out best for me. First time out i streaked ahead despite starting 8th on the grid.

I've used your suspension set up (some of your numbers matched mine), your gears then as below.
Power: -13 (539bhp)
Weight: 86% (963kg)
Aeros: 20F 35R

It makes the car feel much more agile and stable to me, as well as giving me much, much more confidence particularly when taking the S's on Suzuka. Try it, see what you think.

 

[Crowsy]

Probably the Nissan GT-R. I think that's what I did it in.

GT-R, thanks are there settings for this one kicking about? I got a 5th in the NSX with some settings I found on this forum if you think the GTR is better though I will give it a go.

Thanks for all for the other advice.

 

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I tried your settings for the Mustang and the XK Coupe. The Mustang drives very nice (even on standard settings), but I find it just too slow. But I guess this is the fastest you can get it to go. The XK Coupe is a different story. Man I love this car, it's very good for 600PP and you don't see it online very often, which is nice.

I don't get why the Mustang is so slow. It has more power and torque than most cars in 600 PP, and reasonable weight. It feels like it handles OK but ends up some 5sec slower. PD trying to make American cars look bad again I guess. The Jaguar is fun, not the outright fastest (Clios are a big worry to overcome in the Jag), but still very fun to drive.

If it's on Suzuka and you're lucking for an easy drive wth great cornering in exchange for poor top speed, the Evo IX/Tuned has worked great for me in 600PP online, i imagine upping the power would do no harm. It really suffers on the straights though.



Anyway, I tried the TLD S2000 and compared it with mine, personally i found mixing your gearing, some suspension with mine and using my power, weight, downforce settings, has worked out best for me. First time out i streaked ahead despite starting 8th on the grid.

I've used your suspension set up (some of your numbers matched mine), your gears then as below.
Power: -13 (539bhp)
Weight: 86% (963kg)
Aeros: 20F 35R

It makes the car feel much more agile and stable to me, as well as giving me much, much more confidence particularly when taking the S's on Suzuka. Try it, see what you think.

I don't have much time to try other cars any more, but if I find some time I will give yours a go.👍 Thanks for trying my tune.

GT-R, thanks are there settings for this one kicking about? I got a 5th in the NSX with some settings I found on this forum if you think the GTR is better though I will give it a go.

Thanks for all for the other advice.

I have a setup, give it a go if you like. Gearing should be made shorter through a higher Final drive and PP modified all for 630 PP.

 

[Poncha]

Review: TLD Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo

I’ll say off the bat, I had my reservations spending my hard-earned on the S2000, having driven one (in a savegame, just to try it out) stock with no aids (bar ABS set to 1), and finding it a massive handful. But having raced 750PP Suzuka quite a fair bit (in the Mine’s GTR, R35, F430) against the S2000, I found myself being beaten through the bends (e.g. the S curves, Degner, 130R, etc.). So I bit the bullet, bought it, and first thing I did was apply the TLD tune.

Having raced it in about 10 races now, I can say why didn’t I buy it earlier! Pretty much in every aspect, the TLD-tuned S2000 beats my somewhat-tuned (i.e. my poor attempt ) Mine’s GTR. I clearly see it’s an issue of driving ability rather than car ability with me driving the S2000 now!

Springs and damper:
Interesting that the ride height has not been dumped like on other tunes (e.g. R35 GTR), but of course, this car already comes “tuned” stock, so most probably doesn’t need it. More toe-out at the rear, and toe-in in the front has done wonders. One particular instance I overshot the braking point for the chicane before the start-finish straight on Suzuka, and with all previous cars, have not been able to turn in to hit the apexes as desired. Not in the TLD S2000 A simple sharp turn-in (ala Fernando Alonso) has the S2000 biting in the front and pointing towards the apex. Would have had no chance at such a manoeuvre in the Mine’s GTR. Magic

Power and weight:
I’m an advocate for weight reduction rather than winding up the power, so this TLD tune (as like others) is right up my ally. What is already a feather-weight car becomes a ridiculously agile, late-braking machine. A squirt more power to get to 750PP obviously helps

Brake balance:
I’ve been the type to usually keep BB at 5-5, and wondered how a 2-5 would be (too much in the rear?). But on all accounts, braking stability is not an issue with the TLD tune. Trail braking, straight line, jabs to manage the dynamic mass (such as the entry to Suzuka hairpin)…no issues here

Gearing:
As well as general tune, as mentioned by nd 4 holden spd, gearing is customised towards Suzuka, and this is very apparent. No where was I felt wanting for a higher or lower gear through a corner. I’ve found a critical section of Suzuka for gearing is the S-curves (e.g. hanging on to 3rd in the Mine’s GTR throughout), and the TLD S2000 is great for it.

General impressions:
The thing that is most apparent is the shear speed that can be carried through turns, especially high-speed turns (e.g. turn before Spoon). Of course, this is attributable to the uber-light-weight of the S2000, but compared to the stock tune, the TLD tune makes the car so much more stable.

I’m the drive-it-from-the-rear type of driver, and this car certainly caters for that. Of course, too much throttle (such as coming out of the hairpin, or final chicane on Suzuka) will have you looped, but not an issue if you’re racing properly No aids (bar ABS 1 and, embarrassingly, ASM on (sorry!)), and this car still is stable as anything else I’ve driven. In a way, I find it similar to the F430- extremely balanced, communicative, great near the limit, but bites you if you’re being silly. My previous favourite car was the F430 for 700PP, (before 750PP was brought in), but the S2000 has filled that gap now

Suggestions:
My only main criticism, and it’s not really of the tune but rather the car, is where it loses out on the straights against the likes of the Ford GT LM, Corvette, and to an extent, the Mine’s GTR. But we’re not talking much here, and the S200 more than makes up for it in the turns.

Overall, this is a great tune on what can otherwise be a difficult car. Thanks to nd 4 holden spd for the tune
(Apologies if this sounds too positive a review…I genuinely do enjoy this tune!)

Cheers,

Ponchanello

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Review: TLD Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo

I’ll say off the bat, I had my reservations spending my hard-earned on the S2000, having driven one (in a savegame, just to try it out) stock with no aids (bar ABS set to 1), and finding it a massive handful. But having raced 750PP Suzuka quite a fair bit (in the Mine’s GTR, R35, F430) against the S2000, I found myself being beaten through the bends (e.g. the S curves, Degner, 130R, etc.). So I bit the bullet, bought it, and first thing I did was apply the TLD tune.

Having raced it in about 10 races now, I can say why didn’t I buy it earlier! Pretty much in every aspect, the TLD-tuned S2000 beats my somewhat-tuned (i.e. my poor attempt ) Mine’s GTR. I clearly see it’s an issue of driving ability rather than car ability with me driving the S2000 now!

Springs and damper:
Interesting that the ride height has not been dumped like on other tunes (e.g. R35 GTR), but of course, this car already comes “tuned” stock, so most probably doesn’t need it. More toe-out at the rear, and toe-in in the front has done wonders. One particular instance I overshot the braking point for the chicane before the start-finish straight on Suzuka, and with all previous cars, have not been able to turn in to hit the apexes as desired. Not in the TLD S2000 A simple sharp turn-in (ala Fernando Alonso) has the S2000 biting in the front and pointing towards the apex. Would have had no chance at such a manoeuvre in the Mine’s GTR. Magic

Power and weight:
I’m an advocate for weight reduction rather than winding up the power, so this TLD tune (as like others) is right up my ally. What is already a feather-weight car becomes a ridiculously agile, late-braking machine. A squirt more power to get to 750PP obviously helps

Brake balance:
I’ve been the type to usually keep BB at 5-5, and wondered how a 2-5 would be (too much in the rear?). But on all accounts, braking stability is not an issue with the TLD tune. Trail braking, straight line, jabs to manage the dynamic mass (such as the entry to Suzuka hairpin)…no issues here

Gearing:
As well as general tune, as mentioned by nd 4 holden spd, gearing is customised towards Suzuka, and this is very apparent. No where was I felt wanting for a higher or lower gear through a corner. I’ve found a critical section of Suzuka for gearing is the S-curves (e.g. hanging on to 3rd in the Mine’s GTR throughout), and the TLD S2000 is great for it.

General impressions:
The thing that is most apparent is the shear speed that can be carried through turns, especially high-speed turns (e.g. turn before Spoon). Of course, this is attributable to the uber-light-weight of the S2000, but compared to the stock tune, the TLD tune makes the car so much more stable.

I’m the drive-it-from-the-rear type of driver, and this car certainly caters for that. Of course, too much throttle (such as coming out of the hairpin, or final chicane on Suzuka) will have you looped, but not an issue if you’re racing properly No aids (bar ABS 1 and, embarrassingly, ASM on (sorry!)), and this car still is stable as anything else I’ve driven. In a way, I find it similar to the F430- extremely balanced, communicative, great near the limit, but bites you if you’re being silly. My previous favourite car was the F430 for 700PP, (before 750PP was brought in), but the S2000 has filled that gap now

Suggestions:
My only main criticism, and it’s not really of the tune but rather the car, is where it loses out on the straights against the likes of the Ford GT LM, Corvette, and to an extent, the Mine’s GTR. But we’re not talking much here, and the S200 more than makes up for it in the turns.

Overall, this is a great tune on what can otherwise be a difficult car. Thanks to nd 4 holden spd for the tune
(Apologies if this sounds too positive a review…I genuinely do enjoy this tune!)

Cheers,

Ponchanello

Wow, nice review. I must jump in and say, it's toe-out at the front and toe in at the rear. You stated it wrongly. The straight line speed will never get better on this car, (and this part is realistic I feel), because the engine is tuned to the outer limits already of what's possibly sane, so you can't increase the power. Well, a tune for the Mine's R34 is what you wanted right? I'll add it to my list of tunes to do.

 

[Poncha]

Hehe sorry- of course it toe in at rear, and toe out at front. My bad! (Imagine what it would handle like if it was like i said haha)
Yeah, straightline speed isn't really much of an issue- was clutching at straws for something bad to say of the car
When i first saw that it was a force-fed F20C, thought was already insane!
Yep- Mine's GTR would be sweet mate. Cheers 👍

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

man you are good at tuning all the setups I have tried from TLD fits my driving style, but the one for me is ferrari 512bb! it such a fun car to drive did an 2.14.7 lap in free run SZK, would never had done that in my tune! REGARDS

EDIT: are you working on viper srt10 ? thats a real fast car, cant imagine what you can do to that car.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

man you are good at tuning all the setups I have tried from TLD fits my driving style, but the one for me is ferrari 512bb! it such a fun car to drive did an 2.14.7 lap in free run SZK, would never had done that in my tune! REGARDS

EDIT: are you working on viper srt10 ? thats a real fast car, cant imagine what you can do to that car.

Thanks for kind comment. That's a really fast time in the 512 BB. If you mean the Tuned Viper then I have a request for it so I should be getting that out soon.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

TLD BMW M3​

(310kw) (400Nm) (1588kg) (600 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: 0
Weight: 96%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -30/-27
Spring Rates: 4/6
Damper: 4/5
Toe: -0.13/+0.05
Camber: 1.0/0.7

Brake Balance: 1/4

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.380
2nd: 2.054
3rd: 1.559
4th: 1.241
5th: 1.034
6th: 0.896
Final: 4.432

Description: There are a lot of nay-sayers out there claiming that the M3 doesn't handle well on GT5. I decided to test it myself and was completely bewildered by the results. It handles great! With the TLD tune applied it is the second fastest car I've ever personally driven in 600 PP, losing only to the NSX Type R. I would happily take this to any race with high expectations of victory, and best part is people expect this car to be slow, so it makes you look like a really good driver even if you aren't. The audio is also something to be proud of in this car, with the V8 pounding away up front. Have fun.

 

[doblocruiser]

TLD BMW M3​

(310kw) (400Nm) (1588kg) (600 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: 0
Weight: 96%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -30/-27
Spring Rates: 4/6
Damper: 4/5
Toe: -0.13/+0.05
Camber: 1.0/0.7

Brake Balance: 1/4

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.380
2nd: 2.054
3rd: 1.559
4th: 1.241
5th: 1.034
6th: 0.896
Final: 4.432

Description: There are a lot of nay-sayers out there claiming that the M3 doesn't handle well on GT5. I decided to test it myself and was completely bewildered by the results. It handles great! With the TLD tune applied it is the second fastest car I've ever personally driven in 600 PP, losing only to the NSX Type R. I would happily take this to any race with high expectations of victory, and best part is people expect this car to be slow, so it makes you look like a really good driver even if you aren't. The audio is also something to be proud of in this car, with the V8 pounding away up front. Have fun.

I had a lot of problems keeping up with the M3 during our online race. Now that it is completely tuned it must be a hell of a car. Only shame about it is that I think it's really ugly!

 

[StevenDunn99]

I wish I could use those settings for golding A-3, but once I have completed that task I think maybe it is PP600 online racing

 

[BB-ANDY-]

I had a lot of problems keeping up with the M3 during our online race. Now that it is completely tuned it must be a hell of a car. Only shame about it is that I think it's really ugly!

wow i think the M3 is stunning

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Review: TLD BMW M3

Just took this baby for a couple of laps around Suzuka and I gotta say I'm impressed.

I've been pretty much owning this track in an EVO-X, only running into problems against a well driven NSX or another EVO-X but the BMW is so far ahead of the EVO I can't wait to get it online!

Turn 1/2 I been throwing the evo in here, going deep into the second braking point then dropping to 2nd to pull the nose back around for the trip out. Not so with the M3 - I have a lot more control over this beast, doesn't seem to matter what speed you're doing and how many lateral g's, it responds to the lightest steering input like I'm hardly moving. T1/2 feel so controlled I'm convinced this is a slug but a quick check of the speedo assures me I'm well in the ballpark of a good exit speed and we're off to the esses.

I usually dab the brakes going in here in 4th, shifting down to third with a bit of left foot brake for the first right hander. The beemer, on the other hand, really doesn't seem to care - I tell it to turn in and it does, drop to third and much less left foot required. The steering is really bang on here, not a hint of over or understeer just point and shoot!

I catch the exit line way early around gyaku bank and then I'm flat out into dunlop and around, almost as if it wasn't a corner at all. Gyaku Bank, under normal circumstances, takes a lot of braking to stay on the apex not in the BMW, quick stamp on the stop pedal, turn in hard then it's accellerator all the way. This almost feels like cheating.

The entry to Degner goes by without a fuss (I repeat - entry to Degner without a fuss!!!) and, as soon as I'm back on the throttle I have steering again so I can nonchalantly line it up for the 90degree right hander. I mean usually it's aim for the green flash on the kerb and hope it all works out for me but now I'm trying to decide just how much kerb I want to take - (in millimeters!)

Under the bridge and pushing round the fast right before the hairpin, I stamp on the brakes, as usual but still I'm not loosing any steering ability, even under such extreme braking, I guide the car, effortlessly along the camber which is the key to applying so much brake at this angle and this speed and then around the hairpin itself, gunning it out a bit early just to see if it's possible to lose the back end. Doesn't seem so, it's almost as if the car is telling me "ready when you are" I feel ashamed - should have stamped on the throttle sooner - wuss!

No surprises up through 200R plenty of torque with smooth acceleration all the way, again I'm not fighting with the handling as I brake into spoon I mean I'm stamping on the anchors at 130+ and It feels like I'm maneuvering into a parking spot at Tescos. Is there nothing that will phase this beast?

Seems not I slice round 130R at about 125 - that's only 5 less than my average GTLM speed, and a hell of a lot less scary to boot! My new best friend the M3 steering rack is offering me a plethora of options, "A little off the back sir?", "Little bit wider sir?", "little bit tighter?", "somethig for the weekend sir?"

Casio - my favourite place to make up time. You nail this well you can take a half second bite or more from the guy in front's lead. Okay scratch that, in an M3 if I nail this right I think I might be able to lap the guy in front. "erm... didn't there used to be a really fiddly chicane there?" I think to myself as I scream around the corner and down onto the home straight.

Pro's - Steering under acceleration, steering under braking, just generally steering, steering and more steering. It's fast too so you get really nice exits to go along with your really nice entries.

Con's - It's just too damned easy - I'm going to feel like a bit of a cheat taking this thing out against online opponents

 

[Dragonistic]

First review for my new 'hire' a driver system.

Review
So, the TLD M3, an already great car (in my opinion) made much better by some clever suspension work, brilliant gearing, and excellent choice of compromise in keeping the weight and power similar instead of leaning towards one.

Ok, more in depth now, as i stepped into the car, the V8 powerplant warmed up and ready to go, i entered the first corner of Suzuka carefully, keeping in mind the M3 is no Elise, its a heavy car. I find myself instantly shocked by my own lack of confidence when i turn in realising what this car could do.
I continue on into the rest of the curves, gaining confidence as the smooth ride takes me round them with ease. No drama, no problem. Dunlop, a good test for understeer, is no problem, and a high speed is maintained as i feel confident enough to go round the outside of the competitor infront of me. A brave move in many vehicles, not so in the TLD M3.

Soon i find myself coming down on the hairpin, overconfident by the cars fantastic grip and response, i brake as late as i dare, turn in, hit the throttle in 2nd gear and slide round with ease. In no other car as of yet have i truly felt a slide would be such a simple task. Next, 200R a good test for understeer under acceleration or indeed oversteer, but obviously nd 4 holden spd didn't believe in their existence when tuning this M3, completely neutral and balanced.

Spoon curve feels like a small obstacle when i come to it, smooth and flowing the car continues to impress. 130R looming it was time to really see just how far i can push it, i hit the brakes late after a good turn of speed for a car in this class, turn in at around 130+ (remember this thing has no extra downforce). Nothing, again no drama.

A couple of laps later i find myself sliding out the rear end to test how controllable it is when you push just that bit to hard, trust me you will with so much grip, it's so controllable, so simple to turn a what looks like a bad situation into a smooth slide. Impressive on the R3 tyres for it to be this way.


6-7 laps later i feel a new track is in order, Daytona Road was my choice, and the car keeps delivering what it had been in Japan, grip, grip and more grip.

There's not really alot to talk about, because its so damn poised and neutral, nothing phases the TLD M3.

Summary
- Controllable, easy to drive, great for less experienced drivers.
- Did someone say confidence or did I not say it enough above? You get bags of it from driving this car.
- Push to hard, I didn't even begin to panick once the tail finally breaks loose, more often then not, it needs to be forced out yet it doesn't snap back from the high levels of grip.

Finally, i couldn't put it better myself.

Con's - It's just too damned easy - I'm going to feel like a bit of a cheat taking this thing out against online opponents

Highly recommend trying it.
9/10

 

[Apollo87]

Wow i just love the M3, ok i have 2 setups to try for today with two really good cars, thx man.