The McLaren F1... erh... P1 Thread

[sumbrownkid]

Not evil enough:

Needs more teeth?

Now that is one sick car.👍

It looks like it came straight out of Burnout Paradise.

Does anyone know what type of engine is in this beast or is it still hush hush?

 

[Denilson]

24 seconds faster around Silverstone than what?

24 seconds on a track is lightyears..
It would be extremely impressive if it's true (and that the street car that had the previous record was'nt a Volvo 245 GL ), but it just sounds like too much imo.

Future will tell I guess.

 

[Famine]

24 seconds faster around Silverstone than what?

Apparently it's the Noble M600 - currently to be found sitting 8th on the Top Gear Power Lap with a 1'17.7 (1.5s behind the McLaren MP4-12c).

However, the only times I've been able to find put the Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV as the fastest road car at Silverstone, with a 2'08.1. This potentially puts the P1 at a 1'44.0 maximum - or 20% faster than the next fastest car

 

[Apok]

I'm not sure if I like the design of it.
Rear end seems a bit too ridiculous and the front end is just strange somehow.
I do like it from the side though.

 

[Kent]

Sounds fast but as I recall, other cars in the past have made those huge strides to be faster and got the same sort of "seems too fast" alarms... With this one I'm going to reserve judgement but something tells me it's not all hype. I wonder when someone will do the oh-so-important Ring time.

 

[AOS-]

The new look looks like it is trying too hard to look different. They're forcing a lot of curves onto the car's body, as well as "cutting out" a lot of the surface panels revealing more underbody that it almost looks malnourished.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Apparently it's the Noble M600 - currently to be found sitting 8th on the Top Gear Power Lap with a 1'17.7 (1.5s behind the McLaren MP4-12c).

However, the only times I've been able to find put the Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV as the fastest road car at Silverstone, with a 2'08.1. This potentially puts the P1 at a 1'44.0 maximum - or 20% faster than the next fastest car

1'44 would have put this McLaren ahead of the Toyota TS030 on the WEC grid last month. With street tires, that simply doesn't seem possible.

 

[Lizard]

1'44 would have put this McLaren ahead of the Toyota TS030 on the WEC grid last month. With street tires, that simply doesn't seem possible.

A 1.44 would put it above the F1 cars as well.

 

[Clark]

A 1.44 would put it above the F1 cars as well.

You might want to check where you're reading your lap times from.

The P1 will never sound as good as this, and no matter how powerful the engine is, it won't be as good an engine as the BMW V12.

 

[SagarisGTB]

A 1.44 would put it above the F1 cars as well.

F1 qualifying was wet at this year's British grand prix, so not representative. In 2010 and 2011, the top time times were 1'29 and 1'30 on low fuel. Even the HRTs managed 1'36/1'37 in quali and 1'38 in the race(s), safely faster than LMPs or this hypothetical McLaren time.

 

[RocZX]

The McLaren P1 has one simple goal: to be the best driver’s car in the world on road and track.

‘The McLaren P1 will be the result of 50 years of racing and road car heritage,’ says McLaren Automotive Executive Chairman Ron Dennis. ‘Twenty years ago we raised the supercar performance bar with the McLaren F1 and our goal with the McLaren P1 is to redefine it once again.’

‘Our aim is not necessarily to be the fastest in absolute top speed but to be the quickest and most rewarding series production road car on a circuit,’ says McLaren Automotive Managing Director Antony Sheriff. ‘It is the true test of a supercar’s all round ability and a much more important technical statement. Our goal is to make the McLaren P1 the most exciting, most capable, most technologically advanced and most dynamically accomplished supercar ever made.’

More information will be released following the McLaren Automotive press conference scheduled for 17.45 CEST (16.45 BST), on Thursday 27 September 2012.

http://media.mclarenautomotive.com/release/155/

 

[Eric.]

You might want to check where you're reading your lap times from.

The P1 will never sound as good as this, and no matter how powerful the engine is, it won't be as good an engine as the BMW V12.

If that was in a Civic you'd be seeing endless bitching about crossing the centerline.

 

[sumbrownkid]

You might want to check where you're reading your lap times from.

The P1 will never sound as good as this, and no matter how powerful the engine is, it won't be as good an engine as the BMW V12.

Now let's not get nostalgic here.

Besides, we haven't heard the engine even start up yet. I'm sure it'll sound glorious.👍

 

[Clark]

It's got the same engine as the 12C, so it's not off to the best start in the sound department.

 

[sumbrownkid]

It's got the same engine as the 12C, so it's not off to the best start in the sound department.

Granted, with a lot of tweaks though. End result maybe different. Though I suspect Ron Dennis is not one to worry about acoustics.

 

[Dijital Majik]

Apparently it's the Noble M600 - currently to be found sitting 8th on the Top Gear Power Lap with a 1'17.7 (1.5s behind the McLaren MP4-12c).

However, the only times I've been able to find put the Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV as the fastest road car at Silverstone, with a 2'08.1. This potentially puts the P1 at a 1'44.0 maximum - or 20% faster than the next fastest car

Wikipedia (yeah, yeah, I know) states:

On the TV show Fifth Gear Jason Plato set a lap record of 2:22.14 for a production car on the new Arena layout in a Noble M600

The LP670-4 SV time was set pre-Arena layout. But I too, can't find any other Arena times.

Here is a list of times pre-Arena

24 seconds faster equals a time of ~1'58, around 17% faster than the M600. That is incredible if true, considering that the F1 record (Alonso, 2010) is 1'30.874, and the MotoGP record (Stoner, 2011) is only 2'02.020.

 

[Lizard]

F1 qualifying was wet at this year's British grand prix, so not representative. In 2010 and 2011, the top time times were 1'29 and 1'30 on low fuel. Even the HRTs managed 1'36/1'37 in quali and 1'38 in the race(s), safely faster than LMPs or this hypothetical McLaren time.

Oh yes so it was.


Ooops.

To make things worse I was there.

 

[Denilson]

Apparently it's the Noble M600 - currently to be found sitting 8th on the Top Gear Power Lap with a 1'17.7 (1.5s behind the McLaren MP4-12c).

However, the only times I've been able to find put the Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV as the fastest road car at Silverstone, with a 2'08.1. This potentially puts the P1 at a 1'44.0 maximum - or 20% faster than the next fastest car

Yes.. So we can pretty much scrap the thought of the P1 lapping around Silverstone in the 1:44's then..

If we compare with times around Nurburgring, a 24 second difference at Silverstone would be the same (hypotheticly) as 1:36ish difference around the ring..

Porsche Carrera GT: 7:28
Ford Focus RS: 9:04

That's about the difference the 24 second at Silverstone would translate to at the Ring..

But if this for some reason turns out to be true, we can finish the current chapter in the automotive history and start a new one. No doubt.

 

[Crash]

I like it.

I would have expected a DRS like rear wing (Or is that not legal for road cars? I assume not by the fact it is missing) knowing McLarens aim of building the fastest overall pakage but still it's very nice.

If it's got a wing, it'll likely have one like on the Veyron, where it will deploy only when necessary.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I would have expected a DRS like rear wing (Or is that not legal for road cars? I assume not by the fact it is missing) knowing McLarens aim of building the fastest overall pakage but still it's very nice.

I'm sure there's lots of very subtle aero, stuff not allowed by the FIA in F1. As said above, the wing probably rises at speed, and may have several pieces if it has active aero similar to the Pagani Huayra.

 

[hawkeye122]

A 1:44 puts it 1 second off of Benoit Tréluyer's Qualifying lap time in an Audi R18 E-Tron. And he got to use slicks.

So either the McLaren has about 1,200 HP, or that time figure is inaccurate.


It's probably still really quick. I'll wait for a Top Gear and/or Nurburgring lap time.

 

[Dijital Majik]

Yes.. So we can pretty much scrap the thought of the P1 lapping around Silverstone in the 1:44's then..

A 1:44 puts it 1 second off of Benoit Tréluyer's Qualifying lap time in an Audi R18 E-Tron. And he got to use slicks.

So either the McLaren has about 1,200 HP, or that time figure is inaccurate.


It's probably still really quick. I'll wait for a Top Gear and/or Nurburgring lap time.

24 seconds off of the previous/current record isn't 1'44, but 1'58, as stated in my post above.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The McLaren P1 has one simple goal: to be the best driver’s car in the world on road and track.

‘The McLaren P1 will be the result of 50 years of racing and road car heritage,’ says McLaren Automotive Executive Chairman Ron Dennis. ‘Twenty years ago we raised the supercar performance bar with the McLaren F1 and our goal with the McLaren P1 is to redefine it once again.’

‘Our aim is not necessarily to be the fastest in absolute top speed but to be the quickest and most rewarding series production road car on a circuit,’ says McLaren Automotive Managing Director Antony Sheriff. ‘It is the true test of a supercar’s all round ability and a much more important technical statement. Our goal is to make the McLaren P1 the most exciting, most capable, most technologically advanced and most dynamically accomplished supercar ever made.’

More information will be released following the McLaren Automotive press conference scheduled for 17.45 CEST (16.45 BST), on Thursday 27 September 2012.

The original F1 was never designed specifically for the circuit...which is what made it so brilliant. It was made for the road. The reason I sincerely doubt the P1 will be as legendary as the F1 is that it is missing a vital ingredient, the absolute genius that is Gordon Murray.

I don't really see how this car will be that much different than, say, a Gumpert Apollo. They are both made to go as quickly around a racing circuit as possible. I don't understand the point of this...it's a road car, not a racing car. If you want to go around a circuit quickly, why not just buy an old F3000 car (hell, at the likely absurd price point of this car, you might even be able to get an older F1 car!) and blow anything street-able out of the water?

The F1 was designed to be the ultimate drivers car. Not drivers car on a race track, just drivers car in any situation. Maybe this is presumptive, and the P1 will be brilliant all around, we'll see.

 

[GTMail]

^Did you not read the first sentence? You know, the whole "ment to be the best drivers car on road and track" part.

 

[Denilson]

24 seconds off of the previous/current record isn't 1'44, but 1'58, as stated in my post above.

Sorry, I guess I was typing as you posted.. Either way, a 24 sec difference is an insane amount of time around a circuit the size of Silverstone.

The comparison between the Focus RS and Porsche CGT at the ring still stands..
If the P1 is the CGT, what would in this case replace the Focus RS? The LP670-4 SV, Noble M600?
No matter how we put it, if it's true, we can just close this current chapter in automotive history and start the next one.

 

[niky]

I don't really see how this car will be that much different than, say, a Gumpert Apollo.

The McLaren doesn't look like it was styled by BOMEX?

 

[Keef]

You might want to check where you're reading your lap times from.

The P1 will never sound as good as this, and no matter how powerful the engine is, it won't be as good an engine as the BMW V12.

Hmm, what do we have here? Instant throttle response and that annoying herky-jerkiness of stiff engine mounts and drivetrain backlash? Interesting. My car does that.

 

[ShobThaBob]

The McLaren doesn't look like it was styled by BOMEX?

That got a real, hearty, laugh out of me. So true.

 

[hawkeye122]

That got a real, hearty, laugh out of me. So true.

I second that.

 

[Horde_R35]