The most complete car encyclopedia

How would you find: "The most complete car encyclopedia".


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Hello.

I need your opinion about my work.
I am a car fanatic since childhood, although back then, in my country there was a single monthly car magazine.

Beginning more than 15 years ago, i have started collecting information about all the cars in the world, so today i have a database which includes more than 10.000 car brands and 50.000 car models, with over 1.000.000 files.

Now, as the database is complete, i will start publishing it in a series of 70 volumes, with the first one available by the end of next month. (full color, hardcover)

I am waiting for your opinion about this idea and how much are you interested in this collection.

When available, the book will be banner advertised on this website...
 
While interesting there is a thing as information overload, imo, but then again its not useless.
 
My opinion: That's a really big encyclopedia of volumes that would require updating every few years. Only a small handful of buyers would probably be interested due to cost and enormity.

Fact: Talk to the site owner about your advertising plans.
 
My opinion: That's a really big encyclopedia of volumes that would require updating every few years. Only a small handful of buyers would probably be interested due to cost and enormity.

Fact: Talk to the site owner about your advertising plans.


It is really huge and it will be updated.
I do not intend to sell it to many buyers, just enough to keep me working on this permanently as it would be a pity if nobody does this, as the information of many cars will be lost as the time passes by.
 
I would be very interested in a car encyclopedia that gave the history of a car, then a history of each generation of that car as well as specifications for each variation of that model. I'm not sure how close to complete you're looking to get, but like I said I'd be very interested.
 
How are you going to volumize it? Doing it alphabetically would be a nightmare, I imagine.

Belive it or not: Alphabetically. For some letters there is more than one volumes and there are also volumes with more than one letter.
The letters with the lowest number of brands are Q and U.

I would be very interested in a car encyclopedia that gave the history of a car, then a history of each generation of that car as well as specifications for each variation of that model. I'm not sure how close to complete you're looking to get, but like I said I'd be very interested.


I will be more specific,

The encyclopedia covers 4 categories:
-Series production
-Concepts and prototypes
-Race cars (including single-seaters as formula one, indy-car, etc)
-Coachbuilt

Each generation of the model is treated separately , with information and specifications. There are 4 photos: front-side; rear-side, dashboard and interior. These photos are repeated for each variation of the model that can be visually identified; like facelifts, sport versions, estate, coupe, cabriolet, etc.

I will upload today few photos of some pages on flikr so i can post them here.

My opinion: That's a really big encyclopedia of volumes that would require updating every few years. Only a small handful of buyers would probably be interested due to cost and enormity.

Fact: Talk to the site owner about your advertising plans.

PS:
I have already talked with the website owner and i will advertise it here, when the first volume will be available.

Here is the cover and some interior pages:


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As you can see, the amount of information for each car, may vary from one model to the other, depending on the information available, as for the rare and old models, it's hard to find more.

PS: the database is ready, i just keep it up to date. I have also written most of the texts, so the speed of releasing volumes is given just by two factors:L
- correcting the texts, by an English teacher
- laying the information and photos in the "ready to print" formats by the guy from the printing company.
I estimate that a new volume will be released each two months, maybe faster as the time passes by.

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PS: as you can see, the first volume is ready to print. Just waiting for the money to print it, which will come soon as i intend to do this on high quality paper, with hardcover, so it can be stored on a shelf as a collection.

While interesting there is a thing as information overload, imo, but then again its not useless.

I do not have a problem with that, because i enjoy my work.
 
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Wow that's incredible, I'm definitely interested in this. Roughly how many pages are you looking at per volume?
 
Wow that's incredible, I'm definitely interested in this. Roughly how many pages are you looking at per volume?

Thank you for the appreciation.
It's very pleasant to see people's interest as i have around 20 to 30.000 hours of work on this car encyclopedia. It's my lifetime project, since i was young.

The size is A4 (210 × 297 mm/ 8.27 × 11.69 in) and each volume will have between 300 and 500 pages.
The first volume is above 300 pages, while the second will be close to 500 pages, as in the second one, which covers all the brands from AM to AZ there are 650 car brands
 
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Do you have permission from the copyright holders to use all of those pictures?
 
Yes, i have.
The price will be standard for each volume, no matter the size (300-500 pages) and it will be around 100-120 USD, price including worldwide free expedited shipping.

There will also be discounts:

1. For collectors. There will be a 25% discount, for the people who buy one volume after another. A code will be inserted in each book, code which is unique and can be used a single time, only for the following volume. (possible, not 100% sure i can implement this)

2.There are also discounts for resellers, which may vary, depending on the number of copies and starts as low as three copies.
 
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Do you have permission from the copyright holders to use all of those pictures?

Yes, i have.
I used three categories of photos:
1. press release photos, obtained through my media account with car manufacturers
2. old photos, with expire copyright, which were scanned from few hundreds books printed at the beginning of the century.
3 copyrighted photos with permission.

It was a huge amount of work, but i was very dedicated to it, way more than 8 hours/day.

You may find this hard to belive, but some manufacturers, were not able to provide me photos for all models, as they do not have them, which was a very big surprise for me.

PS: there are also some photos missing.
For example in the first volume i still have in my database around 300 photos, which i could not use, because of their copyright and don't have an equivalent one in the book, so for some cars there is just text, but this happens only for a handful of models.
 
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It looks incredible. Will you make an updated version every few years to add in the new releases?

OK, last question, is this just production cars or are prototypes and concept cars in it as well?
 
It looks incredible. Will you make an updated version every few years to add in the new releases?

OK, last question, is this just production cars or are prototypes and concept cars in it as well?

Yes, updated versions will be made, after the last volume is released, which will be within few years.

There are four car categories in the encyclopedia:
-series production (including kit-cars and car replicas; replicas are in the book as long as they are sold under different brand and model name from the original car)
-concepts and prototypes
-race cars (official and semi-official ones, including single-seaters like Formula One or Indy-Car)
-coachbuilt

PS: i do not mind answering questions, you can ask me anything you want about this project and i will be happy to answer. After all these years, it's time to get it public and receive feedback about it.
 
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Surely this can't be published in print. Well, it can, but it seems, err, not particularly convenient. If I may ask, how much data does this encyclopedia take up combined?

Would it have been possible for it to be sold on a high capacity external drive instead of in print? I figure it would also allow for easy updating in the future. But hey, I don't know, I'm just a guy on the internet.
 
Surely this can't be published in print. Well, it can, but it seems, err, not particularly convenient. If I may ask, how much data does this encyclopedia take up combined?

Would it have been possible for it to be sold on a high capacity external drive instead of in print? I figure it would also allow for easy updating in the future. But hey, I don't know, I'm just a guy on the internet.

^this.. surely distribution via an e-book would be far more cost effective to begin with, if you wanted to recover some money over a shorter period of time I'm sure this would be the way.

Whilst it's obviously a work of passion... and huge respect to you for doing it - if you want it to be financially viable for you, it needs to be commercially viable - much as the notion of a lovely set of books encompassing all the cars ever would be (and obviously is to you)... it will only appeal to people who like sets of hardbound encyclopedia... who have the space, and who prefer to glean their info from printed works, and who could afford the investment, who actually get to find out about you books - and those individuals still have to pull the trigger and actually buy them.

Reminds me of when I used to try and collect the Janes Defence books. Buy a couple of those a year and you know about it!!

Like I say.. full respect for the achievement, but you might need to take a less romantic view of it to turn it into a livelihood.

... but.. I could be totally wrong! :dopey:
 
^this.. surely distribution via an e-book would be far more cost effective to begin with, if you wanted to recover some money over a shorter period of time I'm sure this would be the way.

Whilst it's obviously a work of passion... and huge respect to you for doing it - if you want it to be financially viable for you, it needs to be commercially viable - much as the notion of a lovely set of books encompassing all the cars ever would be (and obviously is to you)... it will only appeal to people who like sets of hardbound encyclopedia... who have the space, and who prefer to glean their info from printed works, and who could afford the investment, who actually get to find out about you books - and those individuals still have to pull the trigger and actually buy them.

Reminds me of when I used to try and collect the Janes Defence books. Buy a couple of those a year and you know about it!!

Like I say.. full respect for the achievement, but you might need to take a less romantic view of it to turn it into a livelihood.

... but.. I could be totally wrong! :dopey:

I will reply here to both of you.

Yes, it could be sold on a 500 GB external drive, but i do not intend to do this, for two reasons:
1. I prefer the old fashion books, because it's a lot easier to go from one page yo the other and more pleasant, in my opinion.

2. The electronic version is very easy to copy and resell, there are always people who are able and want to do this and it's very hard to trace this infringement for the electronic format.
Protecting the printed book it's a lot more easier. Imagine that after 15 years of daily work, i intend to have full credit of it.


There are other aspect you mentioned:

- to be financially viable, it's different from yours and from my point of view. I live in Romania, here monthly expenses and prices are much lower, so i do not need to earn that much.

-to be commercially viable, there are two steps considered:
First step, is releasing this high quality series of volumes and the second (which also answers your other questions) i will consider releasing also, but maybe a year or two later (or maybe never, i have not decided yet) a low quality version of the book, meaning lower print quality, low number of photos and very little car information, covering also the people who do not afford the high quality version of the book.

It will not be as complete as the first, but will satisfy both categories. This is still under consideration and can be achieved only if the high quality version has the sale success that i targeted, which was not set very high...

The only thing i'm sure now, is that a discount for collectors (25%) will be implemented.

In the first volume will be inserted a unique code in each book, which can be used only once for the second volume. (so do not show it to anybody)
In the second volume, a code for the third and so on...
I will use a soft with a database of created codes and a way to verify the ones requested to use.
 
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This is an amazing endeavor for sure! While car guys like us would definitely be interested, I can't justify buying 70 of anything, much less 70 of anything costing $75-$100. I want this to succeed because I want to be to the point where I can drop $5250-$7000 on something that doesn't take me to work daily lol. Stuff like this is awesome along the lines of having a Ferrari as furniture in your living room.

I'm curious to how this will be published. Will you be binding the books yourself or have you sold the idea to a publishing company? I would expect something like this from a large company, so I wonder if professional help would help your achieve your goals or if it would water down the whole project.

Since it is alphabetical, adding new volumes may present a challenge. (Enter me, to tell you how to run your life lol) Have you considered a chronological approach to the physical copies? Since you are essentially covering all of automotive history, from a reader's perspective I would like to see trends in the industry as a whole. When did electric starters come into play? Seat belts? Styling trends? Going chronological would also make more sense for updates as time goes on. Say you finish, I hit the lottery and buy the whole set. Ahh, the entire automotive history in 70 volumes, A-Z, up to the year 2013. Enter 2014+ models, you can't exactly amend 70 volumes to include the new cars, and having 1886-2013 in alphabetical order and 2014+ by year would not float by boat. On the other hand, 1886-2013 in 70 volumes, along comes 2014, slap in on the end, and so forth. As a purchaser of ridiculously high quality and complete information pieces, this looks much better in my library.

I hope with all my heart you succeed! Best of luck!
 
This is an amazing endeavor for sure! While car guys like us would definitely be interested, I can't justify buying 70 of anything, much less 70 of anything costing $75-$100. I want this to succeed because I want to be to the point where I can drop $5250-$7000 on something that doesn't take me to work daily lol. Stuff like this is awesome along the lines of having a Ferrari as furniture in your living room.

I'm curious to how this will be published. Will you be binding the books yourself or have you sold the idea to a publishing company? I would expect something like this from a large company, so I wonder if professional help would help your achieve your goals or if it would water down the whole project.

Since it is alphabetical, adding new volumes may present a challenge. (Enter me, to tell you how to run your life lol) Have you considered a chronological approach to the physical copies? Since you are essentially covering all of automotive history, from a reader's perspective I would like to see trends in the industry as a whole. When did electric starters come into play? Seat belts? Styling trends? Going chronological would also make more sense for updates as time goes on. Say you finish, I hit the lottery and buy the whole set. Ahh, the entire automotive history in 70 volumes, A-Z, up to the year 2013. Enter 2014+ models, you can't exactly amend 70 volumes to include the new cars, and having 1886-2013 in alphabetical order and 2014+ by year would not float by boat. On the other hand, 1886-2013 in 70 volumes, along comes 2014, slap in on the end, and so forth. As a purchaser of ridiculously high quality and complete information pieces, this looks much better in my library.

I hope with all my heart you succeed! Best of luck!


Good comments...

For this collection, there are it's customers. If this 70 volume series would have not been published by me, i would have bought it for sure and i do not have same money as Americans. I also have here in Romania some people that want to by the whole series and wages are quite low here.
There are some sales targets established by me, to make it fesable, which are quite low.

The most important fact is this one:
The updated versions, will not be released in 2014, as there will be a new volume each two months (that's the time necessary to lay the information on page, so 50USD a month will not be a huge effort, for a true car enthusiast.
If you add also the 25% discount for collectors, we are talking only about 37.5 USD/month, which i do not consider much.
If you think really good, people spend more than 37.5 USD a month on useless things. Because we are on a game forum, i can say that some people spend more than 37.5 USD a month on games and accessories for console, which can also be considered a hobby.


To reach the last volume, few years will pass. After that there will be available two options:
- A new series, completed with the new information.
- A special book, called "Add-on of the first series", with all the new models and information added. This will not be annually. It will probably cover 2 or three years.

It is possible, that a buy back will be offered for collection, in exchange of the new one, for a fee. I'm not sure right now about this.


So it's only 37.5 USD/month for few years and after that, around 100 USD/few years. Not to mention, this collection will have it's value as time passes by


You are right, chronologically would be more simple, from printing and buying point of view, but in my opinion, to make a chronological one wold be much harder, regarding the fact that the database has more than 10.000 car brands and 50.000 car models. And it will be hard to follow a car brand or model evolution in time.
Belive me, i know what i'm talking about, i have worked between 8 and 20 hours a day, for 15 years, i did not have a job as i had income form various small businesses, which were not time demanding. Only from time to time i took a little break.

So in conclusion if a smoker, quits smoking, he has the money for the whole series, some beer and good health...

Regarding the publishing:
-I have my own publishing company, a very small one, with only few magazines published before, locally
-I do not have employees, only externalized services under contract. As you can see in the photos, the page design is very good.
-The book will be printed on high quality, by a printing company specialized in hardcover books.

All my costs are calculated per book, not per month, because not having employees, only collaborators. For example the packaging is made by the post office at a constant cost/book, not by an employee, etc.
There are many collaborators, from simple persons to big companies, but none involved in copyright and other direct things, related to the Encyclopedia, just providing me payed services.

PS: Thank you for the good wishes.
 
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Well, it certainly seems like you've considered these aspects, so I wish you the best of luck with this endeavor, noroc! 👍

Thank you for the kind words and for bothering to give me wishes in Romanian also.

I had a lot of thinking time, as i dream about making this, since i was a kid...
 
I do not have a problem with that, because i enjoy my work.
Great, I was more so saying for the reader. I didn't know you would have pictures. Pictures are always nice.
Where's your long term study?

What? Whats that supposed to mean? There were only 2 options the first option I didnt feel like choosing and the second option "useless" I disagreed with.
 
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