The New King of Racers? FM4

jasjeet
Is that a bad thing?
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No not at all.

Certain games can't but help copy.

Example.

Leaderboard golf on my old C64.
Now the latest Tiger Woods is guilty of ripping that off.
How?
Buy the fact that you hit a ball down a hole and keep doing it till your bored.

Punch out.
Fight night champion.

You smack someone in the mouth in both games.

Certain types of games are hard to implement new ideas without altering the real life laws of physics or rules.

Examples of innovative games could be the puzzle genre.
There not tied by real life or rule set.

RPG's are probably another way for developers to truly innovate but it gets harder for them to come up with original ideas after awhile.

Forza ripping off GT is a tired excuse IMHO.
 
Sele1981
Common are you serious? The first time I played FM3, I thought I´m playing GT...

They made GT for xbox360... But ok, maybe T10 made an better GT or an GT that US/EU gamers want 👍 I don´t need 70 variations of an skyline or 500 japanese cars...
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Honestly this is what we would like to find in the original GT. The FM carlist is perfect, so kudos to Turn10 and stop fanboysm. I think GT5 overall is a better racing game than FM3 but I have the feeling FM4 will be something big, and I don't think Poliphony will be ready. FM4 looks promising with that improved graphics, if they'll add a better physics lot of people could be tempeted to buy an xbox, because there are no rumors on a next big racing game for PS3.
 
Luminis
Gran Prix Legends had it in 2003. Also, rFactor and World Racing 2.

I have a strong feeling that both of these have been done before...
TrackIR and iRacing for the headtracking. And I guess there are a dozen or so games that did the 16 cars on track before GT5 as well.

I don't get that.
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Uhh... You asked me things FORZA copied from GT, quit trying to stray the subject back to the past, Gt5 had it BEFORE forza. Forza i do believe though is giving the full european top gear effect that us gt players solely wished for, although may i remind you top gear and the stig went to court the same month gt was supposed to be released... So please give that some thought, You asked for a list and i responded dude... Although you gotta admit.. Rising tributes over the italia is a bit strange... Lets hope fm can keep promises gt couldnt... Like night on all tracks, or the youtube uploader, or interior views for the full 1031 vehucles...
Cheers !
 
Spagetti69
What appears?
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Seeing you're hoping that laser tracking on nurburg and a night cycle on la sarthe YOU, yourself is wishing so forwardly to in the other forum...


EDIT ! The la sarthe at night wanst yours... My mistake and my apologies...
 
If something was used before GT5 had it, how can you accuse somebody of copying GT where there are multiple sources to copy from?

I could accuse GT5 from copying Day-to-night transition for GTR2, Weather from Project Gotham Racing 4, 16 players from almost any PC racing game before it. The list could go on...

Almost nothing in either of these games is original. Even B-spec is a rip-off of F1 management games of the 90's, only in less detail.
 
bullet360
Uhh... You asked me things FORZA copied from GT, quit trying to stray the subject back to the past, Gt5 had it BEFORE forza.
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I didn't ask you that. Either way, what I'm saying is, Forza didn't copy headtracking from GT5, because that would imply that GT5 invented that, which is utterly untrue. Forza copied that feature (like GT5 did) from iRacing/TrackIR. Forza (like GT) copied the TGTT from Gran Prix Legends. Both games copied from the same sources, as neither invented the points you mentioned. They're both just copycats.

bullet360
Although you gotta admit.. Rising tributes over the italia is a bit strange.
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What tribute? you mean, it being included in the car lists of both games, or what? In that case, FM3 had the Italia as DLC long before GT5 was out.

Spagetti69
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A wild 'grammar and spelling' appears!
 
I'm Motarded
If something was used before GT5 had it, how can you accuse somebody of copying GT where there are multiple sources to copy from?

I could accuse GT5 from copying Day-to-night transition for GTR2, Weather from Project Gotham Racing 4, 16 players from almost any PC racing game before it.

Almost nothing in either of these games is original. Even B-spec is a rip-off of F1 management games of the 90's, only in less detail.
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And AGAIN somebody is bringing up the PAST.. i quoted 4 things turn ten has copied from PD... The question was what turn ten copied.... Now wgat gt copied from others... Hell if i said gt inovated and invented all those things i myself wpuld say that that is a blatent lie... Read again 4 things " FORZA 4 " copied from gt5... Not what gt copied from iracing and rfactor...
The top gear test track
Head tracking
16 cars on track
The 458 italia tribute which was made merely MONTHS after the gt tribue on the SAME car
And it seems like turn 10 is fpcusing on day night with nurburgring 24h and de la sarthe... All of which gt initally had first before T10 showed footage of in F4....
 
I'm a bit lost on this thread.

I will say that Forza does have a few things GT doesn't.

Voice control being one off them.
You all know more so I'll not bother listing.

Obviously, other than getting silly there's not much room to individualise.

Hope Forza doesn't copy paint chips though.
 
bullet360
Read again 4 things " FORZA 4 " copied from gt5... Not what gt copied from iracing and rfactor...
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Dude. First of, at least try to use proper spelling and grammar. I think the AUP demands that and it would make reading your posts far easier.

Second, even though you don't seem to understand this: The thing is, if GT5 copied a feature, FM4 isn't copying from GT5, but from the game that had that feature first. That is why it's relevant to consider what GT5 copied itself.
You can repeat those points of yours ad infinitum, if you like, it's not going to change the fact that GT5 didn't inplement any of those as the first game, no, it just copied it from the exact same source as FM4 does.

So, headtracking: GT5 and FM4 both copy that from iRacing.
 
Luminis
I didn't ask you that. Either way, what I'm saying is, Forza didn't copy headtracking from GT5, because that would imply that GT5 invented that, which is utterly untrue. Forza copied that feature (like GT5 did) from iRacing/TrackIR. Forza (like GT) copied the TGTT from Gran Prix Legends. Both games copied from the same sources, as neither invented the points you mentioned. They're both just copycats.

What tribute? you mean, it being included in the car lists of both games, or what? In that case, FM3 had the Italia as DLC long before GT5 was out.

A wild 'grammar and spelling' appears!
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Yes i apologise for my gramatical and spelling errors... Hah dont even know if i spelt that right.... Seeing its now 9:27 am and i have not "got" any sleep yet and im on an itouch 4th g, againsty better judgent it should be on my behalf to atleast check that my sentences are eligible to be even remotely close to lagetamety readable for the english language. Ya i guess its no longer copying its just "jumping on the band wagon"... Seeing that gt did it.. Forza has to do it too.... Well im assuming that you see my arguement pointless so... Try to disregard my posts seeing i accomlished nothing since i didnt change anybody's minds... Sorry for the 15 min of your life i wasted... Actually by the way... Look on youtube for the tributes... Forza DID make one after gt on thr samw car....
 
Luminis
Dude. First of, at least try to use proper spelling and grammar. I think the AUP demands that and it would make reading your posts far easier.

Second, even though you don't seem to understand this: The thing is, if GT5 copied a feature, FM4 isn't copying from GT5, but from the game that had that feature first. That is why it's relevant to consider what GT5 copied itself.
You can repeat those points of yours ad infinitum, if you like, it's not going to change the fact that GT5 didn't inplement any of those as the first game, no, it just copied it from the exact same source as FM4 does.

So, headtracking: GT5 and FM4 both copy that from iRacing.
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Like i said man.. I had an arguement with commen sense and realized... Gt didnt invent these so therefore they cannot be copied... You have succeeded me. And im sorry for making your brain woek to try understamd what im saying... Its just the fact that its 9 am where im at and im on an itouch.. And ironically... The spelling is the lat thing im worrying about... But congrats... You won the aeguement..... Forza fan 1
Gt fan a big fat 0

Cheers !
 
Luminis
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdufEmwlpf8">YouTube Link</a>

Like this one? Released on the 22nd of September, 2009?
Compared to the trailer PD released on the 24th of September, 2009?
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Hahaha if you havnt realised yet... Im an idiot....
 
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Just because GT5 released recently, doesn't mean Turn 10 copied PD.

Again I'll ask how do you know it was copied from GT5 if there were other games featuring these things on the market right now. There are many places to copy from not just one.

There are photo's from the Turn 10 offices that show artist renditions of Forza cars in the rain, the photo were seen before the launch of FM3. So if FM4 features rain/weather effects were these stolen from PD?

Spagetti69
Voice control being one off them.
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Love or hate Kinect, the way Turn 10 implemented this is awesome. Rather than just being a gimmick, it actually looks really useful.
 
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Luminis


Like this one? Released on the 22nd of September, 2009?
Compared to the trailer PD released on the 24th of September, 2009?
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They both actually released at the same time. No one was copying each other, just probably Ferrari told them both to make one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYCsnEMpFsg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdufEmwlpf8

Spagetti69
Actually I am struggling to think of anything Forza ripped off.
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If GT want to copy Forza too, all cockpits and leaderboards even autovista which I am sure Kaz would love. I am great with that.

We all benifit.
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Forza 3 actually copied the all cockpits idea from GT5P (Not that GT5P was the first game with all cockpits), I think they were 50/50 on whether to go all out on it and they ended up doing it. Now they are going for full interiors in Forza 4 as the standard cars to raise the level higher. I'm sure they have a close eye on what PD are doing and it is there job to do a better job than them with a lot more man power. Autovista having more internals modelled might make Kaz think about raising the levels of the Premium cars higher.
 
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I'm Motarded
Love or hate Kinect, the way Turn 10 implemented this is awesome. Rather than just being a gimmick, it actually looks really useful.
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It's funny how things are turning out. When GT5 talked about headtracking I couldn't have been more hyped about it. Instant images of me racing online with my group peeking around the corners with a tilt of the head were running through my mind. Fortunately for me that little voice that said "Wait a while before we pick up the camera (and a second PS3 , dodge a bullet on that one)" came through and I actually listened to it. lol It wound up being another tacked on gimmick.

When I heard Kinect being used on FM4 for the first time instantly the word "GIMMICK" came to mind. I thought for sure this was going to be implemented stupidly and , until recently, I had NO intention of getting Kinect. Like I said though, until recently. I really like how they are implementing Kinect in the game and in all aspects of it. This is shaping up nicely. However I'm going to listen to that little voice again and just wait.
 
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t.o.
It's funny how things are turning out. When GT5 talked about headtracking I couldn't have been more hyped about it. Instant images of me racing online with my group peeking around the corners with a tilt of the head were running through my mind. Fortunately for me that little voice that said "Wait a while before we pick up the camera (and a second PS3 , dodge a bullet on that one)" came through and I actually listened to it. lol It wound up being another tacked on gimmick.

When I heard Kinect being used on FM4 for the first time instantly the word "GIMMICK" came to mind. I thought for sure this was going to be implemented stupidly and , until recently, I had NO intention of getting Kinect. Like I said though, until recently. I really like how they are implementing Kinect in the game and in all aspects of it. This is shaping up nicely. However I'm going to listen to that little voice again and just wait.
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It is limited to time trial mode mainly due to the limited memory of the PS3 having only 256mb each for CPU and GPU to use while 360 can share 512mb ram between both GPU and CPU.

I haven't got an Playstation Eye but it does seem to work pretty well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPGLNQByaio&feature=channel_video_title
 
Originally Posted by bullet360
Love or hate Kinect, the way Turn 10 implemented this is awesome. Rather than just being a gimmick, it actually looks really useful.

Hahahah WHAT?!? i said nothing of the sort.... Check with the guy i was argueing with...


EDIT ! .... "im motarded" brought up implementing kinect not me.... Yes i agree... This quoting thing does get out of hand sometimes....
 
bullet360
Originally Posted by bullet360
Love or hate Kinect, the way Turn 10 implemented this is awesome. Rather than just being a gimmick, it actually looks really useful.

Hahahah WHAT?!? i said nothing of the sort.... Check with the guy i was argueing with...

EDIT ! .... "im motarded" brought up implementing kinect not me.... Yes i agree... This quoting thing does get out of hand sometimes....
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Funny. I watching Mr bean ATM.
 
I'm Motarded
I normally like Mr Bean. However, I'm not finding this episode that entertaining
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There was a double episode. New years eve and back to school.

Good stuff
 
PzR Slim
I'm curious as to when this morphed into the FM V's GT thread (again!)?
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A few days back I believe.

The thread title is setting it up for Forza Vs any console title really.
 
saidur_ali
Forza 3 actually copied the all cockpits idea from GT5P (Not that GT5P was the first game with all cockpits), I think they were 50/50 on whether to go all out on it and they ended up doing it.
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Do you have any proof that Turn 10 copied the cockpit idea specifically from GT5P? It is common sense to include such a basic features in such a highly anticipated game like Forza 3.
 
Didnt games like NFS in the 90's have cockpit view?

This copying stuff is annoying me, if you are trying to imitate real life than arent all the outcomes going to be a copy of each other? People need to get over it.
 

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