The next-gen MX-5 Miata thread

[CSMDuty11]

So in Japan, they try to make this:

...Seem nearly as boring as this:

Intresting.


On the other side of the spectrum, Subaru BRZ can be in RA spec in Japan, which is similar to the 86 RC, except without the plastic bumpers.

 

[mustafur]

Yeah because it's designed for tuners and Race teams, who will strip the car completely anyway.

I think if they painted the Bumpers it could be ok for the average buyer though.

Basically the same thing as the Evolution RS models.

 

[05XR8]

That's its purpose. To be boring and turn it into a beast.

 

[CSMDuty11]

Im sure Russia could use atleast one of those, the Russian market can always settle for plastic bumpers and general boringness in a car.

 

[mustafur]

Im sure Russia could use atleast one of those, the Russian market can always settle for plastic bumpers and general boringness in a car.

Well driving wise it would be better, considering the weight loss and the fact it's already a good car to drive.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

At this stage, with a car like this, it should have a delete options. A/C, radio, wind down Windows, thin seats, no sound deadening. No steering wheel buttons. Steel wheels. Black bumpers. Carbon bonnet and boot lid options. The car has been around that long to warrant those items and for the car to be tailored.

A lot of those things would have to be specifically developed and engineered. This would add cost to the overall program for a very, very, very small amount of people who would be interested in those things.

The car is already absurdly light. Be thankful.

 

[mustafur]

A lot of those things would have to be specifically developed and engineered. This would add cost to the overall program for a very, very, very small amount of people who would be interested in those things.

The car is already absurdly light. Be thankful.

Lightness isn't the issue, it's the price.

It's a bit over equipped for a car of this nature, despite the fact they managed to keep it soo light in the process.

 

[niky]

Lightness costs money. As does the SkyActiv motor. I would not be surprised if the premium optioning of the car is simply a way of hiding the high price of the ultra-light chassis and the unique direct injection motor.

The 86 (I'm guessing) probably costs a lot less to build and engineer, with carry-over parts and assemblies borrowed from the Subaru and Toyota/Lexus stables.

 

[mustafur]

Lightness costs money. As does the SkyActiv motor. I would not be surprised if the premium optioning of the car is simply a way of hiding the high price of the ultra-light chassis and the unique direct injection motor.

The 86 (I'm guessing) probably costs a lot less to build and engineer, with carry-over parts and assemblies borrowed from the Subaru and Toyota/Lexus stables.

Probably the case, the MX5 is like 200kg lighter then the 86 Which is a significant amount but it should be noted that the engine is Half a Litre smaller as well.

haven't seen it in the flesh but I feel like it will be much smaller then a 86 as well.

Also wonder if the 2 does get a Mazdaspeed/MPS Varient if that engine will be put in the MX-5 as the Mazda Ceo has ruled out a bigger engine then a 1.5 for a performance version if they do go ahead with it, this could put the car in the region to take Z4 buyers.

 

[05XR8]

Put a Caterham 160 on a high volume assembly line. Would that drive the price down to 86 prices? How much would a 2.0L 458 Spider cost with only ABS/ TCS and a conventional 6speed manual?

I can dig the 86 sharing parts to lower cost. The MX-5 is in its own class. I see plenty small coupes and hatches, but not convertibles/roadsters as small as the MX-5. The ND is shorter than the NA and that's small enough. It's just so right.

 

[Nessy]

The MX-5 is in its own class.

.. At the moment.

Can't wait for the Fiat version.

 

[05XR8]

If that Fiat is $10k more, I dunno.

 

[Nessy]

If that Fiat is $10k more, I dunno.

Is it going to be $10k more then?

 

[mustafur]

I hope it's more then just a rebadge that would be pointless.

 

[Nessy]

I hope it's more then just a rebadge that would be pointless.

I imagine it will have some styling changes.

 

[05XR8]

Is it going to be $10k more then?

I don't know. Does Fiat want "their" newest roadster to undercut the benchmark MX-5? If I'm going to buy my first afffordable RWD Italian sports car, I'd hope it was a class above "the hairdresser's" default drop top

 

[Nessy]

So you're basically saying..

I dunno.

Just assumption then.

Does Fiat want "their" newest roadster to undercut the benchmark MX-5? If I'm going to buy my first afffordable RWD Italian sports car, I'd hope it was a class above "the hairdresser's" default drop top

To be honest, I just hope the Fiat looks better.

 

[niky]

Put a Caterham 160 on a high volume assembly line. Would that drive the price down to 86 prices?

Since the 160 uses the good old Suzuki three-pot... I'd wager you could get it down to Nissan Versa pricing if it were ever to be mass-produced.

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Or possibly even lower. Given enough volume, a 160 ought to cost well under $10,000.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Since the 160 uses the good old Suzuki three-pot... I'd wager you could get it down to Nissan Versa pricing if it were ever to be mass-produced.

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Or possibly even lower. Given enough volume, a 160 ought to cost well under $10,000.

By raw material standards sure, but a tube frame chassis takes more time (whether it is robot or human assembled) than a unibody. Time = money.

 

[CTznOfTime]

I find this funny and very ironic...

Considering the Mazda was initially created as the Japanese representation of the little english topless sport car, which, in itslef got inspired from the hot little even less reliable italian topless sport car ...

So now the one that gave the inspiration to all is getting some help from the latest that got inspired.

We have made a full circle... the world is finally at peace... except for the Chillian chilly volcano eruption...and the mental instability going in the middle east...

This is without any hint of sarcasm, but the World indeed needs the Miata...

If everyone had a Miata, i truly believe it would solve a lot of problems (mental ones at least).

Miata is the answer to everything...

 

[ProjectWHaT]

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1098000_2016-mazda-mx-5-gas-mileage-announced

Light makes for fun, but it can also enhance gas mileage, of course, and in the 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata, the latter, at least, comes down to hard data: 27 mpg city, 34 mpg highway, and 30 mpg combined when fitted with the standard six-speed manual transmission.

The optional six-speed automatic boosts mileage a touch to 27/36/30 mpg city/highway/combined.

 

[Nessy]

Suzuki three-pot...

That's what the world needs. A new Suzuki Cappuccino. That would be the answer to everything.

 

[The87Dodge]

That's what the world needs. A new Suzuki Cappuccino. That would be the answer to everything.

I don't think there is a plan to revive the Cappucino, but last year, the Daihatsu Copen was revived and it looks pretty sick. Still has the usual 63 horsepower.

 

[Nessy]

I don't think there is a plan to revive the Cappucino, but last year, the Daihatsu Copen was revived and it looks pretty sick. Still has the usual 63 horsepower.

That's a shame, I quite like Copens but hopefully they'll change their minds. The world needs another Capp.

 

[Grandea GTR]

That's a shame, I quite like Copens but hopefully they'll change their minds. The world needs another Capp.

And once they come in, I bet people would work on swaps with them as soon as possible.

 

[05XR8]

The Copen is perfect. Motorcycles are cool, but a 2seater roadster is the best way to motor.

 

[mustafur]

I know this is a bit off topic, but how cool would it be if Lotus made a Kei Car.

 

[CodeRedR51]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/29/2016-fiat-124-spider-debut/

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ Pardon the pun, but GREAT NEWS!!!

-> But I'm not holding my breath on this one. I'd give it a 50/50, this turbo-iata is a very promising prospect but at the same time I kinda feel queasy for some reason...

 

[CodeRedR51]

I think if Fiat comes up with a sexy design, and based on the spy photos we saw of the Miata last year sitting at port with a Chrysler sticker on the windshield and a turbo engine under the hood, they could sell quite a few of these 124's.