The next-gen MX-5 Miata thread

[Heldenzeit]

I'd love to see someone use the Aimgain kit with a functional wheel setup.

Maybe I'll do it myself someday haha. I want my own ND.

 

[el fayce]

Trust/Greddy had their hand on the Miata as well, Making a turbo kit for the 1.5

And Rocket Bunny/Pandem widebody kit, But its silly for the show

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[CodeRedR51]

No surprise on the turbo kit, they are usually the first ones to release a kit for new cars.

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[Tornado]

All it took to triple the horsepower was one simple mod.

 

[mustafur]

How simple would it really be to add a turbo to a very high compression N/A?

 

[CodeRedR51]

All it took to triple the horsepower was one simple mod.

Not sure it's exactly simple.

How simple would it really be to add a turbo to a very high compression N/A?

Like the Greddy car a few posts up? As long as the tuning is good, shouldn't have any issue. Max PSI may be limited.

 

[mustafur]

Not sure it's exactly simple.

Like the Greddy car a few posts up? As long as the tuning is good, shouldn't have any issue. Max PSI may be limited.

That would be unclear, surely the compression would have to lowered somehow, but to say it's a simple mod to a Skyactiv style engine is very far from the truth.

 

[Heldenzeit]

Car runs 13:1 compression ratio with the 2.0L.

 

[Tornado]

That would be unclear, surely the compression would have to lowered somehow, but to say it's a simple mod to a Skyactiv style engine is very far from the truth.

Even the most complicated turbo plumbing setup and manifold design isn't something I've ever seen add four more cylinders to an engine.

 

[Kitten]

Trust/Greddy had their hand on the Miata as well, Making a turbo kit for the 1.5

And Rocket Bunny/Pandem widebody kit, But its silly for the show

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I completely dig that RocketBunny Kit.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Slowly but certainly, details are starting to come out regarding the Fiat 124 Spider. The entry level engine is 1.4 turbo with ~150bhp and more torque than either of the Mazda's NA motors. It has taller gearing, bit firmer suspension, bigger trunk and lacks LSD which is reserved for the hotter model.

 

[Cale]

Slowly but certainly, details are starting to come out regarding the Fiat 124 Spider. The entry level engine is 1.4 turbo with ~150bhp and more torque than either of the Mazda's NA motors. It has taller gearing, bit firmer suspension, bigger trunk and lacks LSD which is reserved for the hotter model.

The top gear review of a test car says 124hp and 180tq iirc

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I don't think they had exact figures.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

What's with the turbo inlet piping on the Greddy setup? There's certainly room to relocate the washer fluid reservoir, and doing so would mean not drawing air from, you know, behind the radiator.

 

[CodeRedR51]

What's with the turbo inlet piping on the Greddy setup? There's certainly room to relocate the washer fluid reservoir, and doing so would mean not drawing air from, you know, behind the radiator.

Doesn't really matter anyways, it's going through a hot turbo then sent through the intercooler to cool down.

 

[Cale]

I don't think they had exact figures.

I remembered incorrectly. Their review states 138hp putting it right in the middle of both Mazda engines.

The first thing you need to know is the Fiat is heavier than the flyweight MX-5 on which it’s based. Thanks to a longer front overhang and larger derrière to open up an extra 10 litres of boot space, the 124 is larger and consequently 50kg heavier than a 2.0-litre MX-5.

The second thing you need to know is the 124 has more torque to shift its extra bulk around. The only engine choice right now is a 1.4-litre turbo motor from the Alfa Romeo Giulietta. It develops 138bhp, putting it smack in the middle (what a coincidence…) of the 129bhp 1.5-litre MX-5, and the 2.0-litre model’s 158bhp.

Instead of power, Fiat’s looked for Mazda-busting torque. The 178lb ft of turbo thrust dropkicks both of the Japanese car’s naturally aspirated engines into touch, and it’s on tap from an accessible if not outright-low 2250rpm.

 

[psntomaz]

I remembered incorrectly. Their review states 138hp putting it right in the middle of both Mazda engines.

Which is Euro spec. the US gets the 160hp standard.

 

[FT-1]

Fiat 124 Abarth revealed with 170hp

Then there is also a rally version

 

[psntomaz]

beat me to it, thanks.

 

[Heldenzeit]

Let's hope they offer that hardtop alone.

....and it fits the MX-5.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Does the Fiata have a better power to weight than the Miata?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Does the Fiata have a better power to weight than the Miata?

Probably. And most definitely better torque to weight.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I expected more power. The looks of the Fiat still haven't grown on me. The MX-5 is still better looking even with it's few flaws.

 

[Nessy]

I expected more power.

They probably will do one with more power (at a premium, of course). Think they did the same with the 500 Abarth.

The 124 is growing on me even more (thought it looked great to begin with). I prefer it over the Mazda, Mazda still looks good though.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Thing with the 124 is that unlike Miata, it doesn't look like it belongs parked on the side of boulevard, in front of Starbucks.. It looks more like it wouldn't look out of place at race track paddocks, it has more masculine feel to it.. A proper hairy-chested Italian car, if you will. TBH, it has some elements that make me think last gen of Viper.

 

[FT-1]

They probably will do one with more power (at a premium, of course). Think they did the same with the 500 Abarth.

The same engine is producing up to 190hp in the 695 Biposto so I can imagine the 124 having more potent variants in the near future. But even its current 170hp form, prices will start at a fairly steep £31,000/€40,000 according to Autocar

 

[Nessy]

The same engine is producing up to 190hp in the 695 Biposto so I can imagine the 124 having more potent variants in the near future. But even its current 170hp form, prices will start at a fairly steep £31,000/€40,000 according to Autocar

Yep, like I said 'at a premium'

Be interesting to see (if they go that Biposto route) with the price increase, will we see it shed weight too?

 

[hasslemoff]

The same engine is producing up to 190hp in the 695 Biposto so I can imagine the 124 having more potent variants in the near future. But even its current 170hp form, prices will start at a fairly steep £31,000/€40,000 according to Autocar

The 124 spider has the 1.4 multiair engine (used in the Alfa Giulietta) the 695 Biposto has Abarths 1.4 tjet engine different engines overall.

 

[FT-1]

The 124 spider has the 1.4 multiair engine (used in the Alfa Giulietta) the 695 Biposto has Abarths 1.4 tjet engine different engines overall.

Oh right, I didn't know they were different units. I wonder much the MultiAir engine can be tuned before reliability is sacrificed, hopefully at least to the same level to the T-Jet.