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The Next Nissan GT-R
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And I thought that Target was bad at photoshops..
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Nissan does not want it to be lighter though, I think it was TopGear magazine that did an interview with the chief engineer of the GTR and he explained that 1600-1700kg is the optimum weight for good handling. Something about studying race cars and their total weight+downforce being about 1,600kg for optimum performance.
This is someone who knows what they are talking about too, and no one will argue that the GTR handles poorly!
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There's a couple video interviews where he says something along those lines but I think you are taking it a bit differently or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
It's not that 1600-1700 is optimal for all applications, it's that the GT-R had to be a certain weight in order for all the tech in the car to achieve the goals they had set for it.
Having said that, I'm sure if the car was 1900kg or 1300kg, he would have said something along the same lines.
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Nonsense.
A heavier car would make a better street car from a ride and build quality perspective. The GT-R is heavy because it's big, AWD, and packs a lot of everything into the package. They'd have to get tricky to make it lighter but everything would benefit.
Keep in mind that the tires on the car are positively massive. The heavier a car is, the more contact patch it needs to maintain performance, especially braking and cornering. Modern performance cars are generally rather heavy - I'm looking at you BMW - but they have the shoes to support it. If you put the Caterham's wheels and brake on an M5 it would be hilarious to watch.
Also, don't confuse downforce with weight. Aerodynamic downforce is not attached to the chassis. That's like saying an airplane is lighter when it's flying than when it's on the ground.
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The R36 will more than likely have a new makeup/platform with no relation to the R35's. Talks on projected of weight makes no sense. Mizuno has retired, and the R36 will be developed the way Tamura (Mr. GT-R) see's fit. In other words... A whole different car. Or just another Ito to Watanabe esque car.
Mizuno explains the GT-R's weight (in good detail):
Mizuno explains the GT-R's weight (in good detail):
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.^^ That looks like a Lexus LFA that's been Photoshopped.
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Except the end result is hideous.
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Lightweight is dangerous for customer? nonsense.
I don't disagree that the logic behind the GT-Rs weight is sound, however suggesting that a 1,300kg car is more dangerous or slower than a 1.6/1.7 tonne car is nonsensical.
When you're going as light as the Caterham line of cars or indeed F1 - the car will certainly be skittish and more difficult to control, super lights have always been like that.
When you're in the 1 tonne area, (AE86 for instance) the car becomes much more manageable, though can still feel skittish under hard cornering.
But in the 1.3 area you're in a pretty ideal position. Suggesting that being heavier than that is "beneficial" only makes sense if you subscribe to the mindset that understeer is safer, which I personally disagree with.
At the end of the day however, the GT-R keeps its centre of weight down low and the weight distribution is very well balance, which is far more important than the overall mass.
I don't disagree that the logic behind the GT-Rs weight is sound, however suggesting that a 1,300kg car is more dangerous or slower than a 1.6/1.7 tonne car is nonsensical.
When you're going as light as the Caterham line of cars or indeed F1 - the car will certainly be skittish and more difficult to control, super lights have always been like that.
When you're in the 1 tonne area, (AE86 for instance) the car becomes much more manageable, though can still feel skittish under hard cornering.
But in the 1.3 area you're in a pretty ideal position. Suggesting that being heavier than that is "beneficial" only makes sense if you subscribe to the mindset that understeer is safer, which I personally disagree with.
At the end of the day however, the GT-R keeps its centre of weight down low and the weight distribution is very well balance, which is far more important than the overall mass.
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I'm actually kind of wondering if that's not a leaked sketch. It's that cohesive.
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I LOVE that design. (The dark blue one)
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F-sport much?
(which looks awful by the way)
(which looks awful by the way)
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Umm, no? Not seeing it.
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Umm, yes. The bottom of the photoshop's bumper that draws outward & then comes directly back in at the bottom, is unique to Lexus. The decision for the photoshop to place vents inside that lower grille & have sharp, angled away vents isn't a coincidence either.
Besides the 2 other people that agree in this thread, from the last thread.
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Eh, maybe that one part. Not seeing anything else. But it's a rendering that some random person put together, and just like all renders they are going to pull aspects from other cars into their own design. This is not news.
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I didn't say anything else though, did I?
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