The non-muscle American car thread (READ THE OP)

[DurWinning]

Oh boy. This can only go one direction.

I'm just gonna show myself out.

 

[-Fred-]

The Spirit V6 was the best American V6 ever made in the '80s and early '90s.

You mean the 140hp, 3.0l V6 built by Mitsubishi?

 

[Cowboy]

How un the world? The Spirit is looking lighter, has more horsepower, and is cheaper than the SHO, so if anything, the Spirit deserves first place. Seriously, that journalist is terrible.

I seen a video of a SHO outrunning an earlier gen C4 Corvette, so um, yea.

 

[Tornado]

The Spirit V6 was a 12 valve Mitsubishi engine that usually shot more oil out of the exhaust pipe than it used for engine lubrication.

 

[LM7325]

The Mitsubishi V6 was a decent enough engine. But seriously outclasssed by the SHO. Short for Super High Output. The in house 3.3 or 3.8 pushrod engine never made it into a Spirit as far as I know.

 

[The87Dodge]

You mean the 140hp, 3.0l V6 built by Mitsubishi?

No, the 224 horsepower engine.

I seen a video of a SHO outrunning an earlier gen C4 Corvette, so um, yea.

Most likely, it was a base Corvette, since those had less horsepower than the SHO.

The Spirit V6 was a 12 valve Mitsubishi engine that usually shot more oil out of the exhaust pipe than it used for engine lubrication.

But also produced much horsepower and highly engineered.

 

[Tornado]

No, the 224 horsepower engine.

Wait a minute.


You go on and on and on about how much more you know than anyone else about Chrysler from the 1980s; and now you're talking about the Spirit R/T as if it had the 24v DOHC V6 from the 3000GT and Stealth? Are you 🤬 me right now?

 

[-Fred-]

That 224hp engine you're talking about is the TurboIII 2.2 Inline4... I don't see how that is a V6, but you probably have an explanation for that.

 

[The87Dodge]

Wait a minute.


You go on and on and on about how much more you know than anyone else about Chrysler from the 1980s; and now you're talking about the Spirit R/T as if it had the 24v DOHC V6 from the 3000GT and Stealth? Are you 🤬 me right now?

No, I'm not kidding. Why don't you just leave this thread, you've added nothing.

 

[The87Dodge]

That 224hp engine you're talking about is the TurboIII 2.2 Inline4... I don't see how that is a V6, but you probably have an explanation for that.

Because it had the performance of a V6, so sometimes I forget it is a V6. Not the first time I've made this mistake.

 

[Tornado]

You "forgot" it was a V6 after responding to someone who said it was a turbo four cylinder; and after blasting a contemporary review's credibility () when the review showed a picture of the engine.

 

[The87Dodge]

You "forgot" it was a V6 after responding to someone who said it was a turbo four cylinder; and after blasting a contemporary review's credibility () when the review showed a picture of the engine.

Yes. The review still sucked.

But something tells me that you enjoy starting arguments like these. Half of your "logic" makes no sense, and you've contrubuted absolutely nothing to my thread except starting useless flamedebates. Spend your time doing more productive things instead of starting arguments, because that's what people who have way too much time on their hands do.

 

[-Fred-]

Well you know, my turbo 2.0 makes 291hp, that's about as much power as a Ferrari 348 so I guess it feels like a V8.

 

[The87Dodge]

Well you know, my turbo 2.0 makes 291hp, that's about as much power as a Ferrari 348 so I guess it feels like a V8.

I guess that's true.

 

[Tornado]

But something tells me that you enjoy starting arguments like these.

And something tells me you have a reading disability.

Half of your "logic" makes no sense

Still waiting for a single example.

 

[LM7325]

In the whole K car bonanza poor Mirada was forgotten. Mopar's last RWD coupe for 20 years.

 

[The87Dodge]

And something tells me you have a reading disability.

You know what, that's a really, really offensive comment you've made. Reading has always been my strong subject in school. Saying that I have a reading problem because I disagree with your "logic", and "facts"? That's a comment that only idiots would make. So why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and actually contribute to my thread.

 

[Tornado]

You know what, that's a really, really offensive comment. Reading has always been my strong subject in school.

So why is it that you couldn't make it to the second sentence of the review I posted on the last page that you flipped out over being full of lies? How much of it did you actually read if you clocked out after the Spirit's position in the test?

Saying that I have a reading problem because I disagree with your "logic", and "facts"?

No, I'm saying that you seem to have a reading problem because you literally don't seem to be able to understand the meaning of words when you try to argue against them if they don't fit what you believe. There are plenty of people on this forum who can't follow logical reasoning, but there aren't that many people I've seen who don't bother to see if anything they are saying is actually true before they state it as unquestionable truth. The last one I remember was the owner of the 3.1 Sunbird mentioned earlier.

That's a comment that idiots would make. So why don't you put your monet where your mouth is, and actually contribute to my thread.

I spent half of the last page attempting to explain the problems with your "V8 Aries" concept. For a while, it even seemed like you were actually understanding how "willowy chassis designed in the late 70s for 90 horsepower engines" wouldn't be compatible with "200+ horsepower V8 performance engine". But then I actually posted something to explain it, which happened to be a full comparison test of multiple Non-Muscle-American-Cars, and "Hurr durr K-Cars" bubbled over again. I'm not sure what other contributions you're looking for.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

I'm not entirely sure how Tornado has been flamebaiting the whole time when he said what he said about K cars considering the alternatives and then went on to say that the comparable GM that cars that he mentioned in particular were also junk themselves and even said that he may possibly be happier with a different car compared to his own Cadillac. Complaining about the context of his post and then calling his comment something that idiots would make really doesn't make sense either.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

@The87Dodge - Alright, this has gone on long enough. Either you're genuinely convinced of the K-Car's supposed brilliance – which means you're incapable of rational thought – or this has been the most persistent, straight-faced attempt at trolling we've seen in this section in a long time.

It's become overwhelmingly apparent that you have little experience with cars outside of the Aries, which is why you're seeing comparisons to other willfully ignorant members and their rides in the past. Things like this:

I'm sure the SHO's engine was good as well, but the Spirit's is better.

Or this:

Whoever wrote that article for the Spirit R/T should be fired, half of things said there is untrue.

Or the hilarity of suggesting the E30 M3 and the Spirit were on even footing. Or incorrectly identifying the cylinder count of your particular golden calf. Or the constant reliance on horsepower and weight figures (commonly referred to as "benchracing"). I could go on.

You seem incapable of understanding that others have different views, which are built from far more rounded experiences than you've had (like that review on the last page).

No, I'm not kidding. Why don't you just leave this thread, you've added nothing.

This is the second time I've told you this in as many weeks: you don't get to tell others what to do. Especially to someone that is contributing to the thread - "contributing" being another word you seem unfamiliar with.

 

[The87Dodge]

So why is it that you couldn't make it to the second sentence of the review I posted on the last page that you flipped out over being full of lies? How much of it did you actually read if you clocked out after the position in the test?


No, I'm saying that you seem to have a reading problem because you literally don't seem to be able to understand the meaning of words when you try to argue against them if they don't fit what you believe. There are plenty of people on this forum who can't follow logical reasoning, but there aren't that many people I've seen who don't bother to see if anything they are saying is actually true before they state it as unquestionable truth. The last one I remember was the owner of the 3.1 Sunbird mentioned earlier.


I spent half of the last page attempting to explain the problems with your "V8 Aries" concept. For a while, it even seemed like you were actually understanding how "willowy chassis designed in the late 70s for 90 horsepower engines" wouldn't be compatible with "200+ horsepower V8 performance engine". But then I actually posted something to explain it, which happened to be a full comparison test of multiple Non-Muscle-American-Cars, and "Hurr durr K-Cars" bubbled over again. I'm not sure what other contributions you're looking for.

I know how to read. I know what words mean. I can easily follow logical reasoning, but reasoning that's mostly illogical, like yours, isn't too easy to follow. And are you really comparing me to White Nerdy? Well that's nothing but an insult, and next time you say something like that I will hit the report button, and you don't want that.

I understand now that a V8 Aries won't work, but ifyou are going to post an article, at least post one that is well written, and truthful.

As soon as you end this fight, I will go back to posting and discussing non muscle USA cars in this thread.

 

[The87Dodge]

@The87Dodge - Alright, this has gone on long enough. Either you're genuinely convinced of the K-Car's supposed brilliance – which means you're incapable of rational thought – or this has been the most persistent, straight-faced attempt at trolling we've seen in this section in a long time.

It's become overwhelmingly apparent that you have little experience with cars outside of the Aries, which is why you're seeing comparisons to other willfully ignorant members and their rides in the past. Things like this:



Or this:



Or the hilarity of suggesting the E30 M3 and the Spirit were on even footing. Or incorrectly identifying the cylinder count of your particular golden calf. Or the constant reliance on horsepower and weight figures (commonly referred to as "benchracing"). I could go on.

You seem incapable of understanding that others have different views, which are built from far more rounded experiences than you've had (like that review on the last page).



This is the second time I've told you this in as many weeks: you don't get to tell others what to do. Especially to someone that is contributing to the thread - "contributing" being another word you seem unfamiliar with.

Ok, I'll end this. I may not agree with Tornado, but you are right, this has gone on for too long.

 

[Cowboy]

I probably shouldn't intrude on this (even though I already have), but you seem to be real salty since you've returned. Would you argue with me if I said that my Bonneville is better than your Aires? I know you love your Mopars, but seriously, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

Hope I don't get in trouble for that.

 

[The87Dodge]

I probably shouldn't intrude on this (even though I already have), but you seem to be real salty since you've returned. Would you argue with me if I said that my Bonneville is better than your Aires? I know you love your Mopars, but seriously, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

Hope I don't get in trouble for that.

Well, the argument is over. I'll admit I've handled things like this the wrong way, but at the same time, sometimes it's kind of hard to keep in your emotions.

I don't think you'll get in any trouble.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I don't care what anyone else says; I'll take a Ford Taurus SHO over the Spirit R/T any day of the week.

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Also, the mention of the SHO again made me think of this thing. The Ford GN34, someone mentioned this car to me in one of my suggestion threads. I thought it was kinda neat.

and the Ranger SHO engine swap by Ford themselves.

 

[GTPorsche]

I'll take a Ford Taurus SHO over the Spirit R/T any day of the week.

I'm sure most people would agree with this as well.

 

[The87Dodge]

Chevrolet Veraneio, basically a Latin-American Suburban.

 

[Razor440]

Nope, the FWD chassis was far from willowy. It was reliable, technological, and not crappy like some of the other early '80's FWD cars. So a reliable engine would work well with a reliable chassis.

Actually, wouldn't most people just put a Aires on a RWD chassis?

 

[LivingWithGames]

Chevrolet Veraneio, basically a Latin-American Suburban.
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Now here's the question. American cars are to be posted here but South American cars do count after all, right? Because, I have something you americans, do in fact do have too, not just my country.

This little guy, one cars I kinda miss too. Also, this other shoe box I love. '49 Ford Coupé.

 

[GTPorsche]

Now here's the question. American cars are to be posted here but South American cars do count after all, right? Because, I have something you americans, do in fact do have too, not just my country.

I've seen a couple European Fords posted, so why not?