The Oscars controversy surrounding the lack of diversity

[prisonermonkeys]

The same place where it's written that, although the recent historical percentages suggest that blacks are winning the major Oscars in line with their population, it means it's racist when an individual year or two of no Oscars means racism.

You can have a year or two where no minority actors or crew members are nominated for awards without it being racist. But you have made a faulty assumption in your argument - you're assuming that that is the extent of the complaint, which it is not. The complaint stems from the concern that there are some actors and crew members from minority backgrounds whose work is deserving of a nomination, but they have been consciously overlooked. Especially when there are some nominees whose nomination beggars belief - like Jennifer Jason Leigh in The Hateful Eight who got the nod despite doing practically nothing for three hours.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You can have a year or two where no minority actors or crew members are nominated for awards without it being racist. But you have made a faulty assumption in your argument - you're assuming that that is the extent of the complaint, which it is not. The complaint stems from the concern that there are some actors and crew members from minority backgrounds whose work is deserving of a nomination, but they have been consciously overlooked.

Every year there are deserving people who should be nominated and they are not. Politics, lobbying, favouritism, sympathy and more have always played a part in Oscar voting. It's not automatically racism because they happen to be black.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/01/21/hollywood-hate-stacey-dash-receives/

Apparently, if you are a black actress and think this whole Oscars controversy is a load of hogwash you are no longer black, you are on drugs or a puppet, and stupid.

 

[Dennisch]

How are the other minorities coping with this travesty?

Suffering in silence?

 

[Swagger897]

wow... just wow... Someone on the other side of the debate that actually understand what's wrong with their viewpoint...

 

[Johnnypenso]

wow... just wow... Someone on the other side of the debate that actually understand what's wrong with their viewpoint...

You know, on an open forum, it helps to quote or at least make reference to something to give your post some context. Just sayin'👍

 

[Swagger897]

You know, on an open forum, it helps to quote or at least make reference to something to give your post some context. Just sayin'👍

Yeah @Dennisch beat me to it by microseconds...

 

[Swagger897]

You know, on an open forum, it helps to quote or at least make reference to something to give your post some context. Just sayin'👍

Yeah @Dennisch beat me to it by microseconds...

 

[A2K78]

I'm guessing you don't watch too much TV... Here are some new shows that are pretty popular that have mostly minority actors:

Empire
Black-ish
Fresh off the Boat
Telenovelas
Cristela

Its interesting that you list those shows and guess what? With the exception of Empire alot of those tend to have low ratings. In fact Cristela was cancelled.

As for film and TV financing, alot of the money these is coming from foreigner investors and mostly from China

 

[Northstar]

Its interesting that you list those shows and guess what? With the exception of Empire alot of those tend to have low ratings. In fact Cristela was cancelled.

TV ratings in general are down, it has nothing to do with race, people just don't watch it like they used too.

 

[Swagger897]

TV ratings in general are down, it has nothing to do with race, people just don't watch it like they used too.

Maybe because there hasn't been a solid series for more than two or three years...


Unless, that is, you're white and in Last Man Standing..

 

[Northstar]

Maybe because there hasn't been a solid series for more than two or three years...

That doesn't help, but people are just waiting until it's on a streaming service and binge watching a season at a time.

 

[Sanji Himura]

I think this perfectly illustrates a point that I was trying to make earlier:

The overall point is forced inclusion does equal racism to the extent that there would be a quota system put into place to make sure that something is "racially diverse". This leads to unqualified people getting something that they don't deserve (like an Oscar for example), and overlooking well qualified candidates.

 

[prousonhairy]

I think this perfectly illustrates a point that I was trying to make earlier:

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The overall point is forced inclusion does equal racism to the extent that there would be a quota system put into place to make sure that something is "racially diverse". This leads to unqualified people getting something that they don't deserve (like an Oscar for example), and overlooking well qualified candidates.

I'm sure it will be that way from now on. It seems people "protest" or "boycott" the dumbest things these days. The scary part about it is, it seems to work. They announced earlier that the oscars will be adding more diversity to their selection comittee. So I guess any year there isn't a certain race/profile nominated, there will be a boycott? I try to block out these sorts of things on the news. They make me throw up in my mouth a little.

 

[Dennisch]

I think this perfectly illustrates a point that I was trying to make earlier:

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The overall point is forced inclusion does equal racism to the extent that there would be a quota system put into place to make sure that something is "racially diverse". This leads to unqualified people getting something that they don't deserve (like an Oscar for example), and overlooking well qualified candidates.

THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A MINORITY ON THE VOTING BALLOT THIS YEAR!!

BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS!!

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm afraid to like a post now in case I'm thrown in with the Muslim haters or the known racists, or if I somehow skew the politically correct ethnic/racial proportions of "likers". I fear I'll never be invited back up into the tower

 

[Dennisch]

My like doesn't mean that I really like your post.
And my porcelain tower is always open.

 

[BobK]

If five people were randomly chosen from the general population to win an Oscar (or anything else, really) there's a slightly better than 50-50 chance that no black would be chosen.

That being said, the issue is with no blacks being nominated. How many people altogether are typically nominated for one of the five main Oscar awards? Does anybody know?

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/22/media/academy-awards-oscars-voting-changes/index.html

Affirmative action confirmed. The Academy is doubling the number of women and minorities by 2020. How this addresses the supposedly racist makeup of the rest of the Academy is uncertain. Perhaps it's hoped that the new members will vote primarily for women and people of colour, which, ironically, would be both racist and sexist. I guess reverse racism is a better kind of racism than just plain old garden variety racism.

If five people were randomly chosen from the general population to win an Oscar (or anything else, really) there's a slightly better than 50-50 chance that no black would be chosen.

That being said, the issue is with no blacks being nominated. How many people altogether are typically nominated for one of the five main Oscar awards? Does anybody know?

The individual awards are typically 5 nominees, meaning a black person on average would get nominated 3% more than once every 2 years in each category, if we assume nominations follow racial makeup of the general population.

Best Actress - 2 nominations in the last 4 years.
Best Actor - 2 in the last 4 years.
Best Supporting Actor - 1 in the last 4 years.
Best Supporting Actress - 1 in last 4 years, 1 winner, and won in 2011.

 

[Northstar]

How many people altogether are typically nominated for one of the five main Oscar awards? Does anybody know?

IIRC all categories are limited to 5 with the exception of "best picture" which can have up to 10 nominees.

 

[Dennisch]

I think this perfectly illustrates a point that I was trying to make earlier:

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The overall point is forced inclusion does equal racism to the extent that there would be a quota system put into place to make sure that something is "racially diverse". This leads to unqualified people getting something that they don't deserve (like an Oscar for example), and overlooking well qualified candidates.

Another thing.

Why is it possible to have black only awards but not white only? Because only Whitey the Cracker can be racist?

Anyone have a sensible answer?

 

[Ken]

Another thing.

Why is it possible to have black only awards but not white only? Because only Whitey the Cracker can be racist?

Anyone have a sensible answer?

Ive often wondered this. They have Latino awards too.

 

[prousonhairy]

Another thing.

Why is it possible to have black only awards but not white only? Because only Whitey the Cracker can be racist?

Anyone have a sensible answer?

Its a double standard. I'm a Caucasian male, and one of my best friends is African American. Her and I discuss these things on the phone all the time. There is no WET(of course that sounds more like a adult film channel then White Entertainment Television), but there shouldn't have to be one. There a website called blackpeoplemeet.com. I'm fine with that. That in no way offends me. Someone awhile back started whitepeoplemeet.com, and there was a big fuss started about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-call-me-racist-i-dated-a-black-woman-once/

I'm fine with any of that, I'm not fine when people make a big deal about something that's not a big deal, just like this silly Oscars ordeal.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Another thing.

Why is it possible to have black only awards but not white only? Because only Whitey the Cracker can be racist?

Anyone have a sensible answer?

I'd say it's because there are few societies founded in white history that have suffered subjugation and oppression to anywhere near the extent that racial minorities have in those same societies. Back in the day* there would be no recognition of talent or skill that wasn't white.

*Or the Oscar nominations of the last two years, I guess.

 

[Ken]

But isn't the modern day equality movement about equality. Not one ethnicity being move equal then another?

 

[Dennisch]

I'd say it's because there are few societies founded in white history that have suffered subjugation and oppression to anywhere near the extent that racial minorities have in those same societies. Back in the day* there would be no recognition of talent or skill that wasn't white.

*Or the Oscar nominations of the last two years, I guess.

So, because of stuff in the past, racism/discrimination is okay for anyone not white.

BET shouldn't exist. Miss Beautiful Black shouldn't exist. As @prousonhairy says, try starting a white only award. APOCALYPTIC!

 

[Imari]

Another thing.

Why is it possible to have black only awards but not white only? Because only Whitey the Cracker can be racist?

Anyone have a sensible answer?

Because contrary to popular belief, it's not about equality. It's about the power that majorities have over minorities. Or so I assume, because it makes a lot more sense when you look at it like that.

 

[Ken]

Maybe, EVERY actor that didn't get nominated should try harder. Not run and bitch to anyone that'll hear them. It's all rather childish to me. Do we honestly live in a society of whiney teenagers?

@Imari, obviously this is about the minorities not having a say because the majority is holding them down. No blacks were nominated and we're all sitting here conversing about. Obviously no one is holding them down. It seems that if anything, the "majority" are having to answer for their actions. The actions, of course, that no black people turned in as powerful as work this or something.

This whole thing is absurd. I'm not even close to racist. It's just this whole us versus them attitude is still going on and I find it sickening.

 

[Dennisch]

Maybe, EVERY actor that didn't get nominated should try harder. Not run and bitch to anyone that'll hear them. It's all rather childish to me. Do we honestly live in a society of whiney teenagers?

After 2015, do you really still wonder about that?

Silly American.

 

[Darla Starch]

But isn't the modern day equality movement about equality. Not one ethnicity being move equal then another?

Because true equality isn't "best person wins".

 

[Ken]

After 2015, do you really still wonder about that?

Silly American.

I know. Sad, isn't it.

Because true equality isn't "best person wins".

Duh