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FC with the G25...

There are 2 wheel options, each with 3 settings:

Sensitivity: High/Medium/Low - which, I assume, is the steering ratio
FF Strength: High/Medium/Low - self explanatory

Curently I'm using...

Medium sensitivity as high makes the car VERY twitchy in a straight line - small steering inputs result in large changes in direction. I'll try low, but suspect it will make applying enough oppostie lock a bit of a challenge.

High FF as the 2 lower settings feel to have an increasingly big deadzone around straight ahead. By deadzone I mean an area with no resistance at all.

In high FF, the FF effect is almost instantaneous when you turn the wheel. However, the amount you need to turn the wheel before the FF kicks in increases as you lower this setting... which is weird as I would have thought this should remain constant and only the strength of the feedback reduce... in the lower settings I have real problems keeping the car in a straight line.

Anyhow, this can effect you in the following way... you're flying up the straight towards the braking zone and you need to change your line minutely... you turn the wheel very slightly and get no response (no turn and no FF)... you turn the wheel a tiny bit more, start to turn but then the FF kicks back strongly, sending you in the opposite direction... of course you try to correct this and end up weaving about... which under brakes isn't a good idea in FC as you'll probably spin off.

The steering needs to be a touch more linear in it's response and weighting away from perfectly straight - GT5P get's this bit right, but lacks the depth of feel the FF effects in FC have. And the overall weighting, whilst manageable 90% of the time, would benefit from being slightly lighter as this would enable opposite lock to be applied a bit more quickly.

This all becomes clear when you play the game with the pad... with the pad it's really easy to make small corrections to your line AND apply opposite lock quickly to catch slides.

But the game is somewhat dummed down with the pad as it feels like is has some sort of steering assist - it doesn't help you turn, but does make it easy for you to hold the line once you've got the car turned in and the steering angle constant... once turned in and settled, you can just kep the stick hard against the lock and play with the throttle to adjust your line... bit more throttle and the car runs wide, bit less and the nose tucks in, lots of throttle and it oversteers. Easypeasy.

In Ferarri Challenge, I'm about 2 seconds a lap quicker with the pad vs G25... on GT5P I'm about 2 seconds quicker using the wheel with an average RWD car round Suzuka.

However, I would still go out and buy the game today even knowing this. The game is so playable and enjoyable... it's just it could be unbelievably good with some minor revisions.
 
Cheers for that, I've actualy spent an hour or two today with the wheel and just perserveired with it till I finaly got to grips with it. Ok I'm using the Logitech EX model and have the FFB on medium and sesitivity on LOW.....Thi is because the EX is only 180 degree wheel unlike the G25 which is 900 degree. Even on low the EX can be twitchy but a light tough and some perserverence to ger use to it can tame it LOL I would say it wuld put you at a disadvantage online against pad users until it's fully sorted but it's enjoyable to use in single player and adds to the drama LOL.
I did try F1 CE with the EX today and I think thats what FC is trying to emulate, unfortunatly its not quite up to the standard of the FFB in CE but with a few tweaks it should get there
 
I did try F1 CE with the EX today and I think thats what FC is trying to emulate, unfortunatly its not quite up to the standard of the FFB in CE but with a few tweaks it should get there

Interesting that you should say this, because I've been picturing FC (which I have not tried yet) as being somewhat like F1:CE (rather than like GT5P) ie. decent, colorful graphics; lots of great tracks, good AI, & competitive, exciting offline racing. The FFB in F1:CE with a G25 wheel is great IMO. I love the way the cars seem to rattle over the bumps - quite unlike GT5P's super-smooth handling. I'm hoping FC has a similar feeling with the G25...
 
I've had this game since launch but only just got the patch. Unfortunately when going to the showroom the load icon (the spinning wheel) just went round and round and round and round and nothing happend. I waited a good two minutes. And when I quit the game my PS3 re-booted.
Tried again and it works now. Good, now I can enjoy it some more.
 
Interesting that you should say this, because I've been picturing FC (which I have not tried yet) as being somewhat like F1:CE (rather than like GT5P) ie. decent, colorful graphics; lots of great tracks, good AI, & competitive, exciting offline racing. The FFB in F1:CE with a G25 wheel is great IMO. I love the way the cars seem to rattle over the bumps - quite unlike GT5P's super-smooth handling. I'm hoping FC has a similar feeling with the G25...

You are going to like Ferrari Challenge then because you feel every curb and bump on the tracks.
The AI is much better than FI:CE and that is one of the best aspects of the game.
The tracks are also much better and the car handling is very good.
When they get the online fixed so we can get some 16 player races it will be awesome.
If you like racing games its a must buy even just for offline racing.
 
Bit more feedback on the wheel vs pad comments...

I used Mont Tremblant as a test track - it's the track I know least well and I find the the tripple apex right hander with tightening radius after the start a challenge to drive really quickly.

5 laps with pad (just to get a feel)... 1'39.5
1 hour + with the G25... 1'39.4
Just 3 laps with pad... 1'37.7

The 1'37 with the pad was soooo easy compared with the 1'39 with the wheel.. I only managed 1 other lap below 1'40 with the wheel yet I hit the 1'37 2nd lap when I switched back to the pad and feel I could run a 1'36 given a bit more time.

All lap set with ABS to 1, TC to 1 and racing line on (to try to ensure same lines with both controllers.

IMO, FC is a completely different game with pad vs wheel... with the pad it's much easier to hold a line, plus the physics model allows you to brake, change down and turn all at the same time... with the wheel this is possible, but the margin for error is tiny and the consequences for getting it wrong is lift-off oversteer and a trip in to the gravel.

With the pad, around the long tripple apex right hander after the start/finish straight I could just feather the throttle in 5th round the 1st part, brake slightly and change down to 4th for the 2nd apex and then brake more heavily and change down to 3rd for the final apex... all while holding a lovely constant steering angle... just not possible with the wheel (at least for me).

Another thing I noticed is throttle response is totally different... when you press the gas button fully down on the pad, it feels like the throttle is applied gradually, allowing quite a smooth drive away from the tighter corners in 2nd gear... with the wheel, if you apply full throttle in the same way you'll oversteer. This was most noticable on the exit of the tight right hander at the end of the lap.

I tried the low FF setting and found it pretty much undrivable for me... there's about 20* of steering wheel movement that has zero effect on the direction of travel... on the straight I could saw at the wheel without any effect on the car!

I also tried the low sensitivity setting, and didn't notie a a huge difference vs medium.

I find the game is equally as enjoyable with either wheel or pad, but it is a different experience - much easier and much quicker with controller and much more involving with the wheel.
 
there is no race finish at the first race of 360 modena trophy. It just keeps going on.I was second but nobody was ahead of me.
how to fix this?
 
Bit more feedback on the wheel vs pad comments...

I used Mont Tremblant as a test track - it's the track I know least well and I find the the tripple apex right hander with tightening radius after the start a challenge to drive really quickly.

5 laps with pad (just to get a feel)... 1'39.5
1 hour + with the G25... 1'39.4
Just 3 laps with pad... 1'37.7

The 1'37 with the pad was soooo easy compared with the 1'39 with the wheel.. I only managed 1 other lap below 1'40 with the wheel yet I hit the 1'37 2nd lap when I switched back to the pad and feel I could run a 1'36 given a bit more time.

All lap set with ABS to 1, TC to 1 and racing line on (to try to ensure same lines with both controllers.

IMO, FC is a completely different game with pad vs wheel... with the pad it's much easier to hold a line, plus the physics model allows you to brake, change down and turn all at the same time... with the wheel this is possible, but the margin for error is tiny and the consequences for getting it wrong is lift-off oversteer and a trip in to the gravel.

With the pad, around the long tripple apex right hander after the start/finish straight I could just feather the throttle in 5th round the 1st part, brake slightly and change down to 4th for the 2nd apex and then brake more heavily and change down to 3rd for the final apex... all while holding a lovely constant steering angle... just not possible with the wheel (at least for me).

Another thing I noticed is throttle response is totally different... when you press the gas button fully down on the pad, it feels like the throttle is applied gradually, allowing quite a smooth drive away from the tighter corners in 2nd gear... with the wheel, if you apply full throttle in the same way you'll oversteer. This was most noticable on the exit of the tight right hander at the end of the lap.

I tried the low FF setting and found it pretty much undrivable for me... there's about 20* of steering wheel movement that has zero effect on the direction of travel... on the straight I could saw at the wheel without any effect on the car!

I also tried the low sensitivity setting, and didn't notie a a huge difference vs medium.

I find the game is equally as enjoyable with either wheel or pad, but it is a different experience - much easier and much quicker with controller and much more involving with the wheel.

done a couple of laps myself m8 with no assist on with the G25 and the first lap was 1.38 then got into the the 1.37for the next 2 lap so is the pad quicker and easyer not for me.

FF hard every think else medium.
 
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