The Political Satire/Meme Thread

[TexRex]

Oof.

 

[Northstar]

That's because you keep misframing it as "government control" when it's more accurate to say taxpayer funded.

So you're pulling the "They're surprise mechanics!" card? You can frame it however the hell you want, at the end of the day, single payer healthcare is controlled by the government, they are the ones collecting taxes after all.

Not sure what nefarious designs you believe government healthcare administrators are plotting and scheming.

I wouldn't say nefarious, just horribly inefficient and poorly managed, like pretty much every U.S. government organization.

 

[Sander 001]

So you're pulling the "They're surprise mechanics!" card? You can frame it however the hell you want, at the end of the day, single payer healthcare is controlled by the government, they are the ones collecting taxes after all.



I wouldn't say nefarious, just horribly inefficient and poorly managed, like pretty much every U.S. government organization.

Just remember that you're the one who engaged me to clear up your confusion, not the other way around.

The American healthcare system is already the least efficient in the developed world and you want to maintain the status quo to make sure CEO's, executives and shareholders keep profiting their billions of dollars. Keep that gravy train running as hard as possible. Great plan.

Talk about confusion.

 

[Northstar]

Just remember that you're the one who engaged me to clear up your confusion, not the other way around.

I like to have conversations, forgive me.

The American healthcare system is already the least efficient in the developed world and you want to maintain the status quo to make sure CEO's, executives and shareholders keep profiting their billions of dollars. Keep that gravy train running as hard as possible. Great plan.

Where exactly are you from? Because you really don't come off as someone who has actually had to deal with the U.S. government. I'm not exactly a fan of the current healthcare system and I'm actually supportive of universal healthcare. What I have issues with is the idea of giving a group of people that have done nothing but prove their incompetence time and time again control over something as vital as healthcare.

 

[Sander 001]

I like to have conversations, forgive me.



Where exactly are you from? Because you really don't come off as someone who has actually had to deal with the U.S. government. I'm not exactly a fan of the current healthcare system and I'm actually supportive of universal healthcare. What I have issues with is the idea of giving a group of people that have done nothing but prove their incompetence time and time again control over something as vital as healthcare.

And the private sector isn't horribly inefficient and grossly incompetent? Many large employers need to offload brutally exploitative labour practices overseas to survive. And that brings with it a whole host of costly consequences back to us. That's just one example.

I'm sure we could regale eachother with awful anecdotes about the horrors of the public sector and private.

I am interested in seeing you substantiate that US governance is markedly less effective than other nation's governance.

 

[Northstar]

And the private sector isn't horribly inefficient and grossly incompetent?

They are, I never said anything otherwise.

I'm not exactly a fan of the current healthcare system

See, I even said I don't like it. The difference is I at least have options when it comes to the private sector, I have exactly 0 options when it comes to public sector stuff.

I am interested in seeing you substantiate that US governance is markedly less effective than other nation's governance.

So you're saying you don't see any issues with the way the U.S. government operates? That very much seems at odds with your usual stance.

 

[Sander 001]

They are, I never said anything otherwise.



See, I even said I don't like it. The difference is I at least have options when it comes to the private sector, I have exactly 0 options when it comes to public sector stuff.



So you're saying you don't see any issues with the way the U.S. government operates? That very much seems at odds with your usual stance.

They are, I never said anything otherwise.



See, I even said I don't like it. The difference is I at least have options when it comes to the private sector, I have exactly 0 options when it comes to public sector stuff.



So you're saying you don't see any issues with the way the U.S. government operates? That very much seems at odds with your usual stance.

you are wrong about that because
universal healthcare doesn't exterminate private healthcare options. And even in places where it's made private healthcare obsolete, people still have the option to go another doctor, clinic, hospital etc.

I see you weren't able to substantiate that American governance is inherently inferior to another country's.

But if you're that interested in anecdotal data, here's one Senator Rand Paul leaving the US with its lavish healthcare systems designed for the rich and powerful and coming up to Canada for hernia surgery.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/rand-paul-canada-surgery-neighbor-attack-1099485

 

[Northstar]

I see you weren't able to substantiate that American governance is inherently inferior to another country's.

I'm not the one going on and on and on etc.. about how every country but the U.S. manages healthcare, about how poor people are poor despite the stock market, about racism in the U.S. etc...

So no, I'm not going to substantiate it, because you have already done a rather good job of it!

But if you're that interested in anecdotal data, here's one Senator Rand Paul leaving the US with its lavish healthcare systems designed for the rich and powerful and coming up to Canada for hernia surgery.

Happy to see you're not even pretending to read my posts. And since you're obviously not going to actually read this one, Donky Kong, burrito pie, marshmallow.

 

[Sander 001]

I'm not the one going on and on and on etc.. about how every country but the U.S. manages healthcare, about how poor people are poor despite the stock market, about racism in the U.S. etc...

So no, I'm not going to substantiate it, because you have already done a rather good job of it!



Happy to see you're not even pretending to read my posts. And since you're obviously not going to actually read this one, Donky Kong, burrito pie, marshmallow.

No, I actually haven't substantiated it because I'm not ignorant of the fact that political entities and governance are not interchangeable. My posts are usually critical of politics, not governance.

All your anecdotal inquiries don't change the fact that you made a claim and you cannot prove it. You cannot prove it because it was false. End of story, gibberish or not.

 

[UKMikey]

I'm still confused about the claim apparently made earlier that healthcare doesn't work in the other countries in which it works. Over here we seem pretty happy with it so far.

 

[Northstar]

No, I actually haven't substantiated it because I'm not ignorant of the fact that political entities and governance are not interchangeable. My posts are usually critical of politics, not governance.

I have said time and time again why the current government doesn't work. People refuse to acknowledge the validity of a third party so you wind up with a broken inefficient government that can't actually manage to do anything well. If you can't grasp that, you obviously haven't been reading my posts.

All your anecdotal inquiries don't change the fact that you made a claim and you cannot prove it.

Because all of your posts in this thread are totally 100% true and fact checked by you personally?

I'm still confused about the claim apparently made earlier that healthcare doesn't work in the other countries in which it works.

Who said that?

 

[UKMikey]

Who said that?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...mage-meme-thread.343002/page-70#post-12981586

 

[Sander 001]

I have said time and time again why the current government doesn't work. People refuse to acknowledge the validity of a third party so you wind up with a broken inefficient government that can't actually manage to do anything well. If you can't grasp that, you obviously haven't been reading my posts.



Because all of your posts in this thread are totally 100% true and fact checked by you personally?

Have you lost it? This is an image thread.
But you wanted to be special so you tried to call me out by presenting dubious claims.

You can't verify your own assertion so now you demand everything be retroactively fact checked?

 

[TexRex]

This is an image thread.

Have you seen the OP?

Let's argue about/with some political cartoons. Intellectual discussion is frowned upon in the funny picture thread.

 

[Northstar]

But you wanted to be special so you tried to call me out by presenting dubious claims.

Again, I was bored and wanted a conversation please forgive me. From now on I will allow you to exist in an echo chamber!

You can't verify your own assertion

I have via my own life experiences. I can't exactly provide a link for them, so you'll have to excuse me.

so now you demand everything be retroactively fact checked?

Nope, just that you hold yourself to the standards you are setting for others. You can post whatever you want, much like a certain person here obsessed with drones, just be prepared to get called on it.

Anyways, I'm going to enjoy the rest of my weekend, have a pleasant day!

 

[Lizard]

As a lizard I find this offensive.

 

[ryzno]

Oof.

And you have the audacity to ignore me cause I post mindless dribble.
Post whore much? Cause that's all you're doing with posts like that.

 

[TexRex]

Heh.

 

[ryzno]

👎

 

[TexRex]

You make me smile, angry one.

 

[UKMikey]

^

 

[Dotini]

It's interesting to see people in Hong Kong struggle for freedom and democracy. It's also interesting to see people in Tehran and Taiwan in the streets demanding more of it. Ordinarily, one might think that freedom and democracy is generally a good thing, and we should do what we can to promote and support it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...with-thanksgiving-rally-as-more-protests-loom
We really appreciate the effort made by Americans,’ says one protester, as city braces for another weekend of protest

Lily Kuo in Beijing

Thu 28 Nov 2019 23.17 ESTLast modified on Thu 28 Nov 2019 23.28 EST


Pro-democracy protesters take part in a Thanksgiving Day rally on Thursday night in Hong Kong to say thank you to Donald Trump. Photograph: Chris McGrath/Getty Images

 

[Biggles]

Where exactly are you from? Because you really don't come off as someone who has actually had to deal with the U.S. government. I'm not exactly a fan of the current healthcare system and I'm actually supportive of universal healthcare. What I have issues with is the idea of giving a group of people that have done nothing but prove their incompetence time and time again control over something as vital as healthcare.

Seems to me that any large scale, monopolistic organization, whether private or public, tends to have the pluses & minuses of economies of scale ... & bureaucratic inefficiencies. The numbers seem to indicate that in the US the balance of those pulses & minuses is not positive, as the US spends way more per capita than countries with universal payer systems, but does not have better results.

 

[Danoff]

The American healthcare system is already the least efficient in the developed world and you want to maintain the status quo to make sure CEO's, executives and shareholders keep profiting their billions of dollars. Keep that gravy train running as hard as possible. Great plan.

Whataboutism. Nobody here is saying the US system is perfect, or the alternative, or desirable over all. Get back on point. You were the one who claimed you could follow a discussion.

And the private sector isn't horribly inefficient and grossly incompetent? Many large employers need to offload brutally exploitative labour practices overseas to survive. And that brings with it a whole host of costly consequences back to us. That's just one example.

Whatabout! Whatabout!

Oh and by the way, universal healthcare does go hand in hand with criminalizing alternatives. Check out Canada.

I'm still confused about the claim apparently made earlier that healthcare doesn't work in the other countries in which it works. Over here we seem pretty happy with it so far.

Waiting lines. Bureaucratic denial of services with no alternatives. It seems I'm the only one who actually meets people who are driven to the US, and who don't want to be here, specifically to avoid universal healthcare.

Edit:

Also, just FYI, when Americans come in seeming "pretty happy with it" by not wanting universal healthcare, they get barraged with arguments about why they're wrong. If their relative happiness with it is not legitimate, neither is anyone else's with their own flavor of fart.

 

[Dennisch]

 

[UKMikey]

Waiting lines. Bureaucratic denial of services with no alternatives. It seems I'm the only one who actually meets people who are driven to the US, and who don't want to be here, specifically to avoid universal healthcare.

Edit:

Also, just FYI, when Americans come in seeming "pretty happy with it" by not wanting universal healthcare, they get barraged with arguments about why they're wrong. If their relative happiness with it is not legitimate, neither is anyone else's with their own flavor of fart.

If you say so, although I don't recall joining in with this barrage. As far as I'm concerned you're welcome to your health system. I'm pretty sure I can match your anecdotal data with anecdotes of people coming to Britain to use universal healthcare. And our relative happiness may be illegitimate in your eyes, but if this graph is anything to go by then it's not just foreigners who are very dissatisfied with the US healthcare system. A slightly larger fraction of people may be very happy with it in the US than in Canada or the UK, but I don't think there's any great movement in either of those countries to pass legislation to change those countries' health systems any time soon. Dissatisfied Americans may want to create memes that complain about their health system but I don't think other countries are following suit.

 

[Danoff]

If you say so, although I don't recall joining in with this barrage. As far as I'm concerned you're welcome to your health system. I'm pretty sure I can match your anecdotal data with anecdotes of people coming to Britain to use universal healthcare. And our relative happiness may be illegitimate in your eyes, but if this graph is anything to go by than it's not just foreigners who are very dissatisfied with the US healthcare system. A slightly larger fraction of people may be very happy with it in the US than in Canada or the UK, but I don't think there's any great movement in either of those countries to pass legislation to change those countries' health systems any time soon. Dissatisfied Americans may want to create memes that complain about their health system but I don't think other countires are following suit.

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Put me down as dissatisfied with mine and ranking Canada and UK as worse.

 

[Sander 001]

Again, I was bored and wanted a conversation please forgive me. From now on I will allow you to exist in an echo chamber!



I have via my own life experiences. I can't exactly provide a link for them, so you'll have to excuse me.



Nope, just that you hold yourself to the standards you are setting for others. You can post whatever you want, much like a certain person here obsessed with drones, just be prepared to get called on it.

Anyways, I'm going to enjoy the rest of my weekend, have a pleasant day!

Well I hope you had a pleasant weekend too.

Look you called me out on something and I'm happy to take criticism if it's based on fact. But if all you got are innuendos and anecdotes then that's really not good enough. Simple as that.

 

[Sander 001]

Whataboutism. Nobody here is saying the US system is perfect, or the alternative, or desirable over all. Get back on point. You were the one who claimed you could follow a discussion.



Whatabout! Whatabout!

Oh and by the way, universal healthcare does go hand in hand with criminalizing alternatives. Check out Canada.



Waiting lines. Bureaucratic denial of services with no alternatives. It seems I'm the only one who actually meets people who are driven to the US, and who don't want to be here, specifically to avoid universal healthcare.

Edit:

Also, just FYI, when Americans come in seeming "pretty happy with it" by not wanting universal healthcare, they get barraged with arguments about why they're wrong. If their relative happiness with it is not legitimate, neither is anyone else's with their own flavor of fart.

Whataboutism? When we're discussing alternatives?

"Let's talk about healthcare systems but we can't talk about healthcare systems otherwise I'll just blurt out WHATABOUTISM"

Check out Canada? Where there are private healthcare alternatives? France, UK, Canada have private healthcare options in addition to universal healthcare. Universal healthcare doesn't exterminate private healthcare alternatives. How many times does that need to be said?


Do other countries which feature universal healthcare have private healthcare alternatives? I don't know but maybe somebody else can start looking up facts.

 

[Danoff]

Whataboutism? When we're discussing alternatives?

"Let's talk about healthcare systems but we can't talk about healthcare systems otherwise I'll just blurt out WHATABOUTISM"

Let's try this with political candidates. I can't defend Trump on his own merits so I say "what about Hillary, she's bad too". Yup, checks out.

Check out Canada? Where there are private healthcare alternatives?

It's illegal to charge for anything offered by the national healthcare system in Canada.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/health-care-for-everyone.23843/page-39#post-12930620