GT6 Sales Discussion

I personally think they need to go back to their roots and make a challenging game. GT6 is worst in the series as a game point of view in my opinion at release, remains to be seen if any future updates will do anything to rectify that or at least offer some challenging races. Also casuals being used as sort of excuse for GT6 state I don't agree with. GT should be aiming to be the best realistic racing game in every department and I think that is their goal, they fell short of it but I feel exciting times ahead with move to the new platform.

Hopefully next GT game will step it up and become most hardcore simulation game out there and as much difficulty at least as the earlier GT games in career mode. Also it should be accessible to all to complete most of the game and main thing is to be fun.
 
In my opinion, whether you are a 'hard core' or 'casual' gamer/sim racer, when you buy a racing game you expect it to be a racing game. You expect a single player career to emulate/simulate a racing career.

When this racing game doesn't give you the chance to pretend to be a racing driver, doesn't let you join a racing team and then have a race weekend, doesn't let you practice, qualify and race then we have a problem.

When this racing game doesn't have racing rules, a racing format or any kind of resemblance of what motor sport is or how an official racing series operates, then we have a problem.

Again, in my opinion, GT5 sold so well because everybody (casual or hard core) wanted a racing game for their PS3. We saw what GTP was and we thought GT5 would be GTP but 'better' and more in depth.

Everyone rushed out to buy GT5, the hard core GT fans were disappointed but got on with racing in their online leagues and organised time trial leader boards (while making common sense suggestions to make the game 'better' and notifying PD of all the bugs that plagued the game).

The casual crowd wanted a racing game, found out that it wasn't about racing but instead was all about 'driving', team management (B spec) and taking photos and probably enjoyed it for a few weeks/months until the next COD or whatever came out, but knew if they wanted a racing game then the next GT wasn't for them.

I know it has been mentioned more than once or twice, but for me personally, the fact that GT doesn't have a global or even a national TT leader board is a complete joke, a joke that isn't remotely funny. I can't even imagine the thinking or rationale behind it...but that's another topic.

Anyway, GT6 has confirmed to me that the GT series isn't for me, I won't be buying GT7 the PS4 because the gap (for a racing game) that we have will now be filled by pCars and the same gap we have on the PS3 will be filled by Grid Autosport (not a perfect game but a racing game nonetheless).

Whether you think the following racing games are good or not, you can't deny this:

F1 series = simulates an F1 championship & F1 career, with online leader boards.
WRC series = simulates a WRC championship & rally career, with online leader boards.
NFS Shift 2 = simulates GT racing, drifting series with online leader boards.
V8 Superstars next challenge = simulates a V8 superstars championship, no longer available online.

(I can only comment on the above games as they are the only ones I have bought and played)

GT series = well, you know what the GT series has and doesn't have.

One of the following MUST be true...

1, PD are blissfully unaware of what their fans want and as a result, nothing has changed.

2, PD know full well what their fans want, but think they know best and refuse to change anything.

3, PD know what their fans want, but don't know how or when to change things.

4, PD know what their fans want, but are waiting for GT7 or 8 or 9 to change things.

5, PD know what their fans want, but think that no other racing/driving game exists on the playstation and see no reason to change or keep up.

Personally, I think number 2 is the most likely, and its a real shame.

If any of you buy GT7 expecting a racing game, expecting single player racing career, expecting it to simulate GT racing or any kind of racing, or expect to challenge yourself or your friends in online time trials and you don't get it, don't you dare come here to complain.

By now you know full well what GT is, you know full well the level of communication you will get from PD and you know full well how PD treat their loyal fans...so I will say it again, if you buy GT7 and are disappointed in any way and feel that your complaints are falling on deaf ears, just keep it to yourself, you will only have yourself to blame.
 
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PIP_36
In my opinion, whether you are a 'hard core' or 'casual' gamer/sim racer, when you buy a racing game you expect it to be a racing game. You expect a single player career to emulate/simulate a racing career.

When this racing game doesn't give you the chance to pretend to be a racing driver, doesn't let you join a racing team and then have a race weekend, doesn't let you practice, qualify and race then we have a problem.

When this racing game doesn't have racing rules, a racing format or any kind of resemblance of what motor sport is or how an official racing series operates, then we have a problem.

Again, in my opinion, GT5 sold so well because everybody (casual or hard core) wanted a racing game for their PS3. We saw what GTP was and we thought GT5 would be GTP but 'better' and more in depth.

Everyone rushed out to buy GT5, the hard core GT fans were disappointed but gone on with racing in their online leagues and organised time trial leader boards (while making common sense suggestions to make the game 'better' and notifying PD of all the bugs that plagued the game).

The casual crowd wanted a racing game, found out that it wasn't about racing but instead was all about 'driving', team management (B spec) and taking photos and probably enjoyed it for a few weeks/months until the next COD or whatever came out, but knew if they wanted a racing game then the next GT wasn't for them.

I know it has been mentioned more than once or twice, but for me personally, the fact that GT doesn't have a global or even a national TT leader board is a complete joke, a joke that isn't remotely funny. I can't even imagine the thinking or rationale behind it...but that's another topic.

Anyway, GT6 has confirmed to me that the GT series isn't for me, I won't be buying GT7 the PS4 because the gap (for a racing game) that we have will now be filled by pCars and the same gap we have on the PS3 will be filled by Grid Autosport (not a perfect game but a racing game nonetheless).

Whether you think the following racing games are good or not, you can't deny this:

F1 series = simulates an F1 championship & F1 career, with online leader boards.
WRC series = simulates a WRC championship & rally career, with online leader boards.
NFS Shift 2 = simulates GT racing, drifting series with online leader boards.
V8 Superstars next challenge = simulates a V8 superstars championship, no longer available online.

(I can only comment on the above games as they are the only ones I have bought and played)

GT series = well, you know what the GT series has and doesn't have.

One of the following MUST be true...

1, PD are blissfully unaware of what their fans want and as a result, nothing has changed.
2, PD know full well what their fans want, but think they know best and refuse to change anything.
3, PD know what their fans want, but don't know how or when to change things.
4, PD know what their fans want, but are waiting for GT7 or 8 or 9 to change things.
5, PD know what their fans want, but think that no other racing/driving game exists on the playstation and see no reason to change or keep up.

Personally, I think number 2 is the most likely, and its a real shame.

If any of you buy GT7 expecting a racing game, expecting single player racing career, expecting it to simulate GT racing or any kind of racing, or expect to challenge yourself or your friends in online time trials and you don't get it, don't you dare come here to complain, by now you know full well what GT is, you know full well the level of communication you will get from PD and you know full well how PD treat their loyal fans...so I will say it again, if you buy GT7 and are disappointed in any way and feel that your complaints are falling on deaf ears, just keep it to yourself, you will only have yourself to blame.
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Nice post, mate.
 
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PIP_36
In my opinion, whether you are a 'hard core' or 'casual' gamer/sim racer, when you buy a racing game you expect it to be a racing game. You expect a single player career to emulate/simulate a racing career.

When this racing game doesn't give you the chance to pretend to be a racing driver, doesn't let you join a racing team and then have a race weekend, doesn't let you practice, qualify and race then we have a problem.

When this racing game doesn't have racing rules, a racing format or any kind of resemblance of what motor sport is or how an official racing series operates, then we have a problem.

Again, in my opinion, GT5 sold so well because everybody (casual or hard core) wanted a racing game for their PS3. We saw what GTP was and we thought GT5 would be GTP but 'better' and more in depth.

Everyone rushed out to buy GT5, the hard core GT fans were disappointed but gone on with racing in their online leagues and organised time trial leader boards (while making common sense suggestions to make the game 'better' and notifying PD of all the bugs that plagued the game).

The casual crowd wanted a racing game, found out that it wasn't about racing but instead was all about 'driving', team management (B spec) and taking photos and probably enjoyed it for a few weeks/months until the next COD or whatever came out, but knew if they wanted a racing game then the next GT wasn't for them.

I know it has been mentioned more than once or twice, but for me personally, the fact that GT doesn't have a global or even a national TT leader board is a complete joke, a joke that isn't remotely funny. I can't even imagine the thinking or rationale behind it...but that's another topic.

Anyway, GT6 has confirmed to me that the GT series isn't for me, I won't be buying GT7 the PS4 because the gap (for a racing game) that we have will now be filled by pCars and the same gap we have on the PS3 will be filled by Grid Autosport (not a perfect game but a racing game nonetheless).

Whether you think the following racing games are good or not, you can't deny this:

F1 series = simulates an F1 championship & F1 career, with online leader boards.
WRC series = simulates a WRC championship & rally career, with online leader boards.
NFS Shift 2 = simulates GT racing, drifting series with online leader boards.
V8 Superstars next challenge = simulates a V8 superstars championship, no longer available online.

(I can only comment on the above games as they are the only ones I have bought and played)

GT series = well, you know what the GT series has and doesn't have.

One of the following MUST be true...

1, PD are blissfully unaware of what their fans want and as a result, nothing has changed.
2, PD know full well what their fans want, but think they know best and refuse to change anything.
3, PD know what their fans want, but don't know how or when to change things.
4, PD know what their fans want, but are waiting for GT7 or 8 or 9 to change things.
5, PD know what their fans want, but think that no other racing/driving game exists on the playstation and see no reason to change or keep up.

Personally, I think number 2 is the most likely, and its a real shame.

If any of you buy GT7 expecting a racing game, expecting single player racing career, expecting it to simulate GT racing or any kind of racing, or expect to challenge yourself or your friends in online time trials and you don't get it, don't you dare come here to complain, by now you know full well what GT is, you know full well the level of communication you will get from PD and you know full well how PD treat their loyal fans...so I will say it again, if you buy GT7 and are disappointed in any way and feel that your complaints are falling on deaf ears, just keep it to yourself, you will only have yourself to blame.
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I like a lot the point 2 , Unfortunately this is true !
 
PIP_36
In my opinion, whether you are a 'hard core' or 'casual' gamer/sim racer, when you buy a racing game you expect it to be a racing game. You expect a single player career to emulate/simulate a racing career.

When this racing game doesn't give you the chance to pretend to be a racing driver, doesn't let you join a racing team and then have a race weekend, doesn't let you practice, qualify and race then we have a problem.

When this racing game doesn't have racing rules, a racing format or any kind of resemblance of what motor sport is or how an official racing series operates, then we have a problem.

Again, in my opinion, GT5 sold so well because everybody (casual or hard core) wanted a racing game for their PS3. We saw what GTP was and we thought GT5 would be GTP but 'better' and more in depth.

Everyone rushed out to buy GT5, the hard core GT fans were disappointed but gone on with racing in their online leagues and organised time trial leader boards (while making common sense suggestions to make the game 'better' and notifying PD of all the bugs that plagued the game).

The casual crowd wanted a racing game, found out that it wasn't about racing but instead was all about 'driving', team management (B spec) and taking photos and probably enjoyed it for a few weeks/months until the next COD or whatever came out, but knew if they wanted a racing game then the next GT wasn't for them.

I know it has been mentioned more than once or twice, but for me personally, the fact that GT doesn't have a global or even a national TT leader board is a complete joke, a joke that isn't remotely funny. I can't even imagine the thinking or rationale behind it...but that's another topic.

Anyway, GT6 has confirmed to me that the GT series isn't for me, I won't be buying GT7 the PS4 because the gap (for a racing game) that we have will now be filled by pCars and the same gap we have on the PS3 will be filled by Grid Autosport (not a perfect game but a racing game nonetheless).

Whether you think the following racing games are good or not, you can't deny this:

F1 series = simulates an F1 championship & F1 career, with online leader boards.
WRC series = simulates a WRC championship & rally career, with online leader boards.
NFS Shift 2 = simulates GT racing, drifting series with online leader boards.
V8 Superstars next challenge = simulates a V8 superstars championship, no longer available online.

(I can only comment on the above games as they are the only ones I have bought and played)

GT series = well, you know what the GT series has and doesn't have.

One of the following MUST be true...

1, PD are blissfully unaware of what their fans want and as a result, nothing has changed.
2, PD know full well what their fans want, but think they know best and refuse to change anything.
3, PD know what their fans want, but don't know how or when to change things.
4, PD know what their fans want, but are waiting for GT7 or 8 or 9 to change things.
5, PD know what their fans want, but think that no other racing/driving game exists on the playstation and see no reason to change or keep up.

Personally, I think number 2 is the most likely, and its a real shame.

If any of you buy GT7 expecting a racing game, expecting single player racing career, expecting it to simulate GT racing or any kind of racing, or expect to challenge yourself or your friends in online time trials and you don't get it, don't you dare come here to complain, by now you know full well what GT is, you know full well the level of communication you will get from PD and you know full well how PD treat their loyal fans...so I will say it again, if you buy GT7 and are disappointed in any way and feel that your complaints are falling on deaf ears, just keep it to yourself, you will only have yourself to blame.
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GT has never, ever sold itself as a racing game. Ever. It's a driving game, where in order to buy cars and have new driving experiences you race. It's nothing like real racing, because it doesn't exactly aim to be.

Also, i've said it once and i'll say it again - PD have to put a bit of everything into GT to keep it alive.
 
amar212
You are not, I am in the same crowd. I never actually finished GT5's career mode either, more interesting - I have a higher percentage of B-Spec events closed than A-Spec.

However, it also points to what I imply - how the current system is problematic to all types of "crowds". It does not cater to the mainstream because it's too complicated and it does not encourage hardcore, because it lacks a lot what hardcore is striving for.

I am not saying - and I see how I may be understood like that, so accept my following disclaimer - how either GT5 or GT6 should not be drastically improved in many ways. There is significant room for improvement on the various fields and those improvements should be really made ASAP.

But at the same time I am still standing by my initial discussion-points (not claims, because I do not "claim" anything, those are just my personal conclusions, based on my subjective observations of various available inputs).

Time will tell.
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Nono, GT is not hardcore and has not become more hardcore. But you need hardcore GT fans to play the game because the rest are bored. Complicated game to start yes, complex to play no.
 
hsv010
GT has never, ever sold itself as a racing game. Ever. It's a driving game, where in order to buy cars and have new driving experiences you race. It's nothing like real racing, because it doesn't exactly aim to be.
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Which is why 90% (if not more) of the events of legacy GT games consisted in competing against a grid of fellow AI "drivers".

Sounds legit.

Edit : GT1 even had (somewhat skippable) qualifications.
 
HBK
Which is why 90% (if not more) of the events of al legacyl GT games consisted in competing against a grid of fellow AI "drivers" in order to finish first.

Sounds legit.
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But having other cars on track is about the only thing comparable to racing when offline. It's more like a timed or lap limited track day than anything else.
 
hsv010
But having other cars on track is about the only thing comparable to racing when offline. It's more like a timed or lap limited track day than anything else.
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The AI being braindead is irrelevant. Almost all events of the first GT games (and the games that came after it) were races against a grid of AI. Real world racing rules (or their absence for that matter) are irrelevant, those were races.
 
HBK
The AI being braindead is irrelevant. Almost all events of the first GT games (and the games that came after it) were races against a grid of AI. Real world racing rules (or their absence for that matter) are irrelevant, those were races.
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Of course they are races, it's just the game doesn't aim to be a full out racing sim as some others are asking of it.
 
hsv010
Of course they are races, it's just the game doesn't aim to be a full out racing sim as some others are asking of it.
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Yep, it's a "car game" that just so happen to have arcadish races in it.

Which is why some of us are asking of PD to make up their damn mind about what they want to do with their game.

If they don't want it to be a "realistic racing game" with regard to racing rules, then at least allow some fantasy.

Because right now the single player experience is just a mindless 3-2-1-go "races" grind.

What was acceptable in 1997 is no longer acceptable in 2014.
 
hsv010
GT has never, ever sold itself as a racing game. Ever. It's a driving game, where in order to buy cars and have new driving experiences you race. It's nothing like real racing, because it doesn't exactly aim to be.

Also, i've said it once and i'll say it again - PD have to put a bit of everything into GT to keep it alive.
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Which is part of the problem...it has real life race tracks, real race cars, even an academy to become a real racing driver...but it isn't a racing game, do you think PD seem confused?

Are you surprised that the casual gamer is confused?

Are you surprised that because of the above that sales are suffering?
 
PIP_36
Which is part of the problem...it has real life race tracks, real race cars, even an academy to become a real racing driver...but it isn't a racing game, do you think PD seem confused?

Are you surprised that the casual gamer is confused?

Are you surprised that because of the above that sales are suffering?
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Having every single sector that GT caters for in incredible depth just wouldn't be viable. Imagine a racing sim, with race weekends, and then you went off to do some historic car collecting, and then you did some casual drifting, and then you organised some car meets... that would be a horrible mess.
 
hsv010
GT has never, ever sold itself as a racing game. Ever. It's a driving game, where in order to buy cars and have new driving experiences you race. It's nothing like real racing, because it doesn't exactly aim to be.

Also, i've said it once and i'll say it again - PD have to put a bit of everything into GT to keep it alive.
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Back of GT6:
...change the racing genre forever......take your place in a racing world.....race on new real world tracks....

Back of GT5:
...returns to redefine the racing genre.....take your place in the racing community.....race over 1000 cars.....become a racing driver....

Yeah, sure they don't.
 
They're confused blurbs then. The game certainly doesn't set out to be that, and it certainly doesn't live up to that.
 
hsv010
Of course they are races, it's just the game doesn't aim to be a full out racing sim as some others are asking of it.
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No matter how satisfied you are with GT's version of a race, please don't pretend that it's a race in the sense that everyone else expects or that happens in any real racing series anywhere in the civilised world.

In a way I envy you, you obviously love this game and think you are racing and achieving something when you win...I want that feeling.
 
hsv010
Having every single sector that GT caters for in incredible depth just wouldn't be viable. Imagine a racing sim, with race weekends, and then you went off to do some historic car collecting, and then you did some casual drifting, and then you organised some car meets... that would be a horrible mess.
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Which isn't what some of us are asking.

Of course it can't be ALL that.

But at least it could have a decent single player "GT mode" which would not (no more) consist of a mindless pseudo-races grind.
 
PIP_36
No matter how satisfied you are with GT's version of a race, please don't pretend that it's a race in the sense that everyone else expects or that happens in any real racing series anywhere in the civilised world.

In a way I envy you, you obviously love this game and think you are racing and achieving something when you win...I want that feeling.
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Read this please:
hsv010
But having other cars on track is about the only thing comparable to racing when offline. It's more like a timed or lap limited track day than anything else.
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PIP_36
In a way I envy you, you obviously love this game and think you are racing and achieving something when you win...I want that feeling.
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Then why are you buying GT at all? You warn people not to expect it from GT7.. but you clearly expected it from 5 or 6, based on what?

edit: I also meant to say that on your list of 5 scenarios, you don't seem to allow for them not being able to deliver what some fans want... it's not always don't/won't, sometimes it's can't.
 
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@hsv010 -> Saying that GT is not a racing is non-sense. When there are others cars on the track and the goal is to finish first, it's a RACE. And when the game rewards victorys and you are expected to win races, not beat times, it's a racing game. The whole GT mode is around winning races... not time trials.

If you play a FPS where ennemys are dumb and never shoot back, will you defend it saying "This is a shooting game, not a war game!"? i don't think so.

Broken IA is not a game design decision: it's a failure.

And I think like Amar212 that PD knows our complains but have no idea how to fix it.

The whole game design is, imo, imposed by what PD can technically achieve. The dumb IA is the reason why there is no grid start and no real mechanical damage. GT's IA would be absolutely unable to deal with 16 opponents in the same corner... There is no real vision behind this game: just things they can do, and things they don't know how to do. The whole "human drama" was pure PR from Kaz and is nowhere to be seen.
 
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