The Thread About Ponies, Logistics and General Weirdness (And Gilda)TV

[CoffeeGrunt]

Gunna send off to Seth to get this reviewed as soon as my proof-reader's done grammar checking it.

At least I have the cover art ready and waiting on standby:

 

[Brando-K]

HNNNNNGGGG attack.

Don't worry this isn't Fluttershys costume in tomorrows episode. No-pony knows what it is yet.

 

[CoffeeGrunt]

It will be that...to slaughter thousands of innocent bronies. It's a trap, I say!

And Angle will be dressed as a pony.

 

[unit-one]

Don't worry this isn't Fluttershys costume in tomorrows episode. No-pony knows what it is yet.

What? New episode tomorrow?

 

[Tornado]

*sigh*






To be frank, Spoil-T, you aren't making a very convincing argument to keep me from putting you on my ignore list. If you want to show off stuff along those lines, link to them with a warning. Stop posting stuff like that in the thread itself. Some people just don't want to see it.

I think the Physical/Special split was one of the things they definitely did right, and was a long time coming. There was no conceivable reason for Thunderpunch and Thunder Fang to be considered Special attacks just because they were Electric-typed. By making them Physical, suddenly Hitmonchan can actually use its own goddamn signature moves, not to mention Gyarados, whose massive Attack stat was wasted because all Water moves were Special while Gyarado's Sp.Atk was in the negatives. Oh, and before the Physical/Special split, Ghost moves were all considered Physical... Insert *my mind is full of f:censored:ck* pic here.

Basically, a whole mess of monsters became useful in battle because of it.

Don't get me wrong. I recognize that it is better that way. But it destroyed, like, half of my strategies; and it happened at a time where I was only casually interested in the series in the first place so I didn't really want to relearn.


What I was actually referring to that I think makes the game worse is the specific attributes per 'Mon, because I don't think they are something that help the game any more than they hurt it and they make everything far more complex than it needs to be.

Dude, for a second I thought you meant that they released a reprise of the entire song... Made me lose my s:censored:t until I remembered that the song has a reprise within the episode. Now I am The Infinite Sadness.

Seriously, though, it is hard to listen to the originals knowing how much better they are in surround sound. Remixes, no problem, but the originals...

Also, shame about Coffee making Octavia into Octo-man, just when I was about to read Allegrezza... First the gender-bent self-insert and now this... Has he no shame?

Octo-Man sounds like a superhero name. Maybe Octavia fights crime on the side?


The fanfics would write themselves.

Unit-one . I hope you're doing well today, I also wonder how everyone else knew your birthday, maybe I'm the only one who lack psych powers or just dismissed some data, in any case Happy Birthday, I hope you keep giving us those awesome draws of yours.

CoffeeGrunt seems to be psychic, because he was the one that made me aware of it.



Which I promptly forgot this morning.



But I eventually remembered before I got home.

Ha, this is the perfect setup for a Molestia ima....


......


....



......doing it anyway.

That image was the second best 30 seconds in Photoshop I've ever spent.

Now for Drawfirends.....only a few down the list and already something that probably made Toro sad.

Que? I already saw the DF because I laughed my ass off at #3, and I really don't know what you are talking about.

Anyway,

Those posters are awesome.

Yes. Yes they are.

HNNNNNGGGG attack.

Fluttershy, I'm real happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but BunnyJack is the cutest Pony of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

 

[Wiegert]

What? New episode tomorrow?

Well it is Friday on this side of the Atlantic, so yeah, it's on tomorrow



And I have the tab ready, so now is the time to read a certain GrimDark fanfic.

 

[Tornado]

It is a very interesting chapter, this one.


tl;dr:

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NMM continues to flip her 🤬, we find out why she flips her 🤬, and I ultimately now am even more confused about her and Captain Dash's relationship than I was before.

 

[Brando-K]

Fluttershy, I'm real happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but BunnyJack is the cutest Pony of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

You win Toro, you win.

We should call her Dawwplejack.

 

[Akira AC]

Thanks! It was fun!


Went to a museum with my mom and sister. Modern art is weird and creepy...sometimes disturbing. It was awesome.

Then went with my loyal friend to play some pool. 1:1. It was an awesome match. We then went to my place and ate a cake that I and my mom made together, played some DeadNation... the neighbors didn't liked the sound effects though.

He also made me an awesome present!

Seems that you had indeed an awesome birthday, its been a while since I attended an art exhibition, and its been a while since I got such an awesome Birthday present.


Apart from that pic, and there is nothing to be done today, this is just too damn awesome:

Apart from that, I understand that most of you guys are posting ponies in costumes, guess what...
(seriously guess it)



(*Goes back to Satie's Nocturne*)

 

[Minty]

Que? I already saw the DF because I laughed my ass off at #3, and I really don't know what you are talking about.[/color]

I figured #4 would at least make you feel a little sad.

I wasn't considering the fact you probably see sadder stuff than that every day. I was just thinking of my other friend who's a little more sensitive about that stuff.


Now when you said "no time to respond" earlier, were you talking about what I said about the comic?


And I'll be reading the story in about 20 minutes.

 

[Jim Prower]

Time for me to take my usual 8+ hour nap. gunna be babysitting the dog saturday, so...later.

 

[Wiegert]

It is a very interesting chapter, this one.

You're quite right there.

tl;dr:

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NMM continues to flip her 🤬, we find out why she flips her 🤬, and I ultimately now am even more confused about her and Captain Dash's relationship than I was before.

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I have to admit, I'm starting to get confused about that as well. I wasn't expecting NMM to start getting emotional either.

I also had to go back and read the part where NMM was eavesdropping on Rainbow Dash and the Captain, yet I still need some clarification on something. So NMM got RD and the Captain mixed up? She assumes that the Captain is helping New Ponyville, but she was actually seeing everything through the eyes of RD? I only ask this because I'm tired and I can't really think straight at this moment in time (probably should have read this chapter earlier on I think).

Anyway, moving on:

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NNM has decided to bestow Trixie with the power to kill the enemies which reside in New Ponyville as she's think that the Captain has betrayed her.

At roughly the same time, RD tells Twilight that the key to get home is to try and reignite the EoH. This would mean that they would need to bring the rest of the Mane Six together, so that means Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy would need to make a return at some point. Obviously they need to act quickly before Trixie begins her act of genocide.

I get the feeling that this story is starting to come an ultimate conclusion, although that might still be a few chapers away at this point.

 

[Tornado]

You're quite right there.

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I have to admit, I'm starting to get confused about that as well. I wasn't expecting NMM to start getting emotional either.

I also had to go back and read the part where NMM was eavesdropping on Rainbow Dash and the Captain, yet I still need some clarification on something. So NMM got RD and the Captain mixed up? She assumes that the Captain is helping New Ponyville, but she was actually seeing everything through the eyes of RD? I only ask this because I'm tired and I can't really think straight at this moment in time (probably should have read this chapter earlier on I think).

Basically, yeah.

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NMM spent the first half of the chapter BSoD'ing at the mere thought that Captain Dash betrayed her, and it caused her to screw up the scrying spell she was trying to use to locate the Captain. She accidentally found Dash instead, who was in the same area at the time; and that is what caused her to basically give up all hope and let Super Bitch go all out.



It makes me think more than ever that Captain Dash represents/represented the thing that NMM wanted most of all from her time of banishment to apparently the current point in the story. More than just a morality pet that she keeps around. It makes me think that NMM treats/treated Captain Dash as her equivalent to what Twilight is for Celesita: A confidant and a friend, but NMM is naturally not the trusting sort so she is/was hesitant to listen to Captain Dash. That also makes me wonder much more about Captain Dash's idea of loyalty than I originally thought to do.

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NNM has decided to bestow Trixie with the power to kill the enemies which reside in New Ponyville as she's think that the Captain has betrayed her.

At roughly the same time, RD tells Twilight that the key to get home is to try and reignite the EoH. This would mean that they would need to bring the rest of the Mane Six together, so that means Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy would need to make a return at some point. Obviously they need to act quickly before Trixie begins her act of genocide.

There' two problems with this, in my mind.

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First of all, Captain Dash is still very much a wild card, because they are just going to let her go. If she shows back up to report to NMM when Trixie starts to go on her warpath, 🤬 is going to get very real.


Second of all, and perhaps most importantly, Dash and Twilight both know now that even if Captain Dash was the initial cause of this mess, all of the Element Bearers of this world are screwed up perhaps beyond repair; so trying to reassemble them at this point may be cause of failure.

Also, something that is very important (perhaps):

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Is alternate Twilight still alive?! I mean, several swaths of NMM's inner thoughts and despair early in the chapter all but state that she still is, because they make no sense if alternate Twilight was dead.


And if so, where the hell is she?

Edit: Also, 74051.

 

[Wiegert]

Basically, yeah.

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NMM spent the first half of the chapter BSoD'ing at the mere thought that Captain Dash betrayed her, and it caused her to screw up the scrying spell she was trying to use to locate the Captain. She accidentally found Dash instead, who was in the same area at the time; and that is what caused her to basically give up all hope and let Super Bitch go all out.

So I was right. I thought there was something that I missed somewhere, but I understand now.

There' two problems with this, in my mind.

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First of all, Captain Dash is still very much a wild card, because they are just going to let her go. If she shows back up to report to NMM when Trixie starts to go on her warpath, 🤬 is going to get very real.


Second of all, and perhaps most importantly, Dash and Twilight both know now that even if Captain Dash was the initial cause of this mess, all of the Element Bearers of this world are screwed up perhaps beyond repair; so trying to reassemble them at this point may be cause of failure.

I was going to mention the Captain:

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and the fact that she still has a part to play in all of this.

Only after seeing what you've said do I realise that if Captain Dash returns to NMM or confronts Trixie at some point, then she will most likely be in a whole heap of 🤬. If the Captain even gets the chance to explain that she hasn't sided with the residents of New Ponyville, there's almost no chance of NMM believing her...


...although, there is a small chance that something might happen which results in NMM reconciling with Captain Dash. Their relationship is rather confusing (as you said before), so there may be a chance that she doesn't end up killing off or imprisoning Captain Dash. Then again, Trixie wants to see her 6 feet under no matter what.

Also, something that is very important (perhaps):

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Is alternate Twilight still alive?! I mean, several swaths of NMM's inner thoughts and despair early in the chapter all but state that she still is, because they make no sense if alternate Twilight was dead.


And if so, where the hell is she?

Eh, I haven't thought about that really:

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I haven't even considered the possibility that Twilight from the NMM universe is still alive. I'm not sure if she really is to be honest, but if she does ever make an appearance, then that would be a HUGE turning point in this story. I'll have to keep an open mind about this from now on.

 

[Minty]

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several swaths of NMM's inner thoughts and despair early in the chapter all but state that she still is, because they make no sense if alternate Twilight was dead.

And if so, where the hell is she?

I might have missed something, but could you give a specific example of this?

I mean,

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The best example I can remember is the fact she doesn't question the fact that Twilight's name was brought up. Of course that should have raised some suspisions if she didn't already know about that, but she was already to distracted to put even more obvious things together. And other than that I cant think of anything that hints at Universe B Twilight still being alive.

So I was right. I thought there was something that I missed somewhere, but I understand now.



I was going to mention Captain Dash:

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...although, there is a small chance that something might happen which results in NMM reconciling with Captain Dash. Their relationship is rather confusing (as you said before), so there may be a chance that she doesn't end up killing off or imprisoning Captain Dash. Then again, Trixie wants to see her 6 feet under no matter what.

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I feel like if the Captain were to confront NMM about what happened, she would either convince her, or die. And I just seriously doubt she's going to die just like that. And she doesn't know NMM thinks she's a traitor, so it's not like she's going to be heading back there with a plan in her head for what to say. I'm interested to see how she reacts when she's greeted with nothing but rage upon returning to NMM.

 

[Brando-K]

Pony related, do you know who plays Harley Quinn in the new Batman game?
Twilight.

Well you probably already knew that, but it was news to me. Source

 

[Tornado]

I might have missed something, but could you give a specific example of this?

I mean,

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The best example I can remember is the fact she doesn't question the fact that Twilight's name was brought up. Of course that should have raised some suspisions if she didn't already know about that, but she was already to distracted to put even more obvious things together. And other than that I cant think of anything that hints at Universe B Twilight still being alive.

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Below her, the cyan pegasus lay defeated and unconscious. A thousand years of fury bubbled within Luna, telling her not to waste time with this foal. She should kill her and forever break the elements of harmony, ensure they could never threaten her again, but something gave her pause.

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This took place after the attempt to use the Elements against NMM went to 🤬, when Dash went after NMM herself to try and buy the remaining members of the Mane Six time to escape. Based on what the remaining members of the Mane Six (including Captain Dash) told Dash and Twilight regarding what they thought they saw, Alternate Twilight should have at that point already been dead and it would have been a moot issue whether NMM killed Captain Dash or not. And NMM would have known this.


There were a couple more minor things that allude to the same implication, but that immediately caught my attention and held onto it throughout the rest of the chapter when I was reading it this morning. Unless there is some obscure thing I'm missing from some other part of the story, like the potential that Super Bitch can also harness the Element of Magic or something (but even that doesn't really make sense, because NMM didn't know Trixie at that point in her flashback to the backstory), or it was simply a mistake on BronyCray's part, it seems to me based on that line that Twilight has to be alive somewhere.

 

[Racedude]

^ Your spoiler box derped!

Screw it, you just fixed it.

 

[Minty]

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This took place after the attempt to use the Elements against NMM went to 🤬, when Dash went after NMM herself to try and buy the remaining members of the Mane Six time to escape. Based on what the remaining members of the Mane Six (including Captain Dash) told Dash and Twilight regarding what they thought they saw, Alternate Twilight should have at that point already been dead and it would have been a moot issue whether NMM killed Captain Dash or not. And NMM had to have known this.


There were a couple more minor things that allude to the same implication, but that immediately caught my attention and held onto it throughout the rest of the chapter when I was reading it this morning. Unless there is some obscure thing I'm missing from some other part of the story, like the potential that Trixie can also harness the Element of Magic or something (but even that doesn't really make sense, because NMM didn't know Trixie at that point in her flashback to the backstory), or it was simply a mistake on BronyCray's part, it seems to me based on that line that Twilight has to be alive somewhere.

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You know, now that I think about it that is kind of odd. But even if Twilight did survive, that would mean NMM knew that. And why would NMM leave a living Twilight behind to go chasing after the rest of the Mane 6? I don't really see any way for that to make much sense. Unless Twilight teleported away at the last moment or something and NMM just assumed she had escaped with the others. But I'm fairly sure they actually saw Twilight's body after she was killed by NMM. I'll need to go back and search. Fairly sure Pinkie Pie said something about seeing her body when they were talking to her.

EDIT:

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On second though, all Pinkie said was that she heard Twilight's screams fading into the smoke. If Twi teleported herself to safety after being wounded or something that would cover both the screams they though were from Twilight's death, as well as why NMM thinks Twilight is still alive.

 

[Gravekeeper]

Here, let me break up the rampant spoilers with some very hastily done art, er, I mean, I totally knew it was unit-one's birthday, it's not like I rushed home from work and sketched this out with a marker or anything and then slapped some Photoshops on it right this very instant...

Happy birthday, brony, keep on truckin' (and drawing!)

 

[Minty]

That's pretty damn good for something that 'totally wasn't hastily drawn or slapped together'. Especially considering I can't really tell that it was hastily done, and would not have known that if you didn't say so yourself.


Curse you people and your ability to draw things *shakes fist*. That's better than what I could pull off if I were handed a piece of tracing paper and given an entire hour. 👍

 

[Racedude]

^Same here. :/ I'm jelly D:.

 

[Tornado]

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EDIT: On second though, all Pinkie said was that she heard Twilight's screams fading into the smoke.

Which Fluttershy repeated in the next chapter.

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Twilight screamed when NMM attacked her. Her screams faded, and everyone fled for their lives before any of them knew what had really happened. Remember that they all thought Captain Dash had died as well for basically the same reasoning.

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You know, now that I think about it that is kind of odd. But even if Twilight did survive, that would mean NMM knew that. And why would NMM leave a living Twilight behind to go chasing after the rest of the Mane 6?

I think the answer to this question lies in the answer to another question:

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Where is Celestia? It wouldn't surprise me if they were both in the same place, banished somewhere but not actually dead; in an effort to punish Celly even more than had she just killed Twilight.


Similarly, why did she allow Captain Dash to live? I feel once we find that out exactly, we will know why she would have let Twilight live assuming that she did.

Also, one thing that we already knew happened that I think this chapter makes much more notable:

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After Captain Dash confronted NMM directly and "joined" her, NMM had Ponyville burned to the ground to try to flush out the rest of the Mane Six; though basically just because she wanted to because she knew Ponyville wouldn't betray them. We already had known this, but we now know that she did so despite being completely against Dash's wishes.

I'm not sure how significant that actually is, but it is certainly interesting.




There's also something else that I'm curious about that was bothering me many chapters ago and this chapter has made it resurface, but I feel I should hold my cards close to my chest regarding it until I can think it through.

 

[Gravekeeper]

That's pretty damn good for something that 'totally wasn't hastily drawn or slapped together'. Especially considering I can't really tell that it was hastily done, and would not have known that if you didn't say so yourself.


Curse you people and your ability to draw things *shakes fist*. That's better than what I could pull off if I were handed a piece of tracing paper and given an entire hour. 👍

^Same here. :/ I'm jelly D:.

Thanks guys

I have this very well developed ability to hate on anything I draw as soon as I finish it. I just start noticing every little thing that I did wrong and start flagellating myself with a sometimes metaphorical whip as penance.

 

[Minty]

Well it makes sense really, I'd imagine you don't get that good without criticizing yourself on everything you do.



Anyway,

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At the same time we were finding out Dash was being ordered to destroy ponyville against her wishes, NMM said that 'Celestia is awaiting punishment in the dungeons [underneath Canterlot]'. So at the very least we know she was still alive at least a short while after NMM gained control.

And as far as NMM letting Twilight live....I'm not sure. I'm just not entirely convinced NMM would let her live and then continue pursuing the others. I mean, I could see her hesitating to kill Twilight for the reasons she let Dash live, and that might have given Twilight time to escape. It just seems like it'd be odd for her to let Twilight live and just continue chasing the others. Then again, I can actually see her being imprisoned as well. Just not sure right now. I get indecisive when I'm tired.

 

[Wiegert]

Star Fighter looking as badass as ever, I like it.

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I feel like if the Captain were to confront NMM about what happened, she would either convince her, or die. And I just seriously doubt she's going to die just like that. And she doesn't know NMM thinks she's a traitor, so it's not like she's going to be heading back there with a plan in her head for what to say. I'm interested to see how she reacts when she's greeted with nothing but rage upon returning to NMM.

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I guess it depends on what state of mind NMM would be in if Captain Dash does return to her. In all fairness, she probably wouldn't just kill her on the spot upon arrival (that just wouldn't fit in well with this story at all).

I get the feeling that Captain Dash would be quick on her hooves if she had to explain the truth to a rather pissed off NMM, and she certainly wouldn't have planned anything beforehand either. They will have to confront each other at some point though, and whatever happens will certainly be interesting.

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Where is Celestia? It wouldn't surprise me if they were both in the same place, banished somewhere but not actually dead; in an effort to punish Celly even more than had she just killed Twilight.

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That does seem like a possibility. I don't think Celestia's out of the picture, although if Twilight was still alive either in the same location as Celestia or in a completely different place, where would she be? Could she be fairly close to where the events of this story are taking place, or perhaps in a far-off location? Hopefully all will be revealed as the story draws nearer to the conclusion.

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Similarly, why did she allow Captain Dash to live? I feel once we find that out exactly, we will know why she would have let Twilight live assuming that she did.

There's something I noticed that may be of relevance:

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NMM was referred to as Luna at certain points in this chapter. Could those points indicate that she was showing small signs of humility?

 

[Minty]

Brace for flood of disappointed Bronies is just a few more days.

Damn, reading the comments it's almost as if there are no 2 people with the same expectations of Luna. There are going to be some sad Bronies come Saturday.


Also, just incase you^ missed the part of my comment,

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NMM confirmed that Celly was alive at least a short while after she seized control.

So we can either assume she is still a prisoner, or was executed.

And adding onto that thought:
I don't think NMM would straight up execute her own sister. I mean, yeah, she's evil, but she's already show several signs of remorse. And if she feels enough *remorse to let a random pony live for one brave act, even if she did have to justify it to herself as a curiosity, I just don't think she'd execute her own sister when locking her up works just as well. So what I'm trying to say here is that I think Celestia is still alive.

*Alright, remorse isn't the right word there, but I'm tired and I feel like you get my point anyway. My vocabulary becomes much more limited when I'm this tired.

 

[Tornado]

Nice drawing, Gravekeeper. Though you can totally tell that you hashed it out rapid fire.

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And as far as NMM letting Twilight live....I'm not sure. I'm just not entirely convinced NMM would let her live and then continue pursuing the others. I mean, I could see her hesitating to kill Twilight for the reasons she let Dash live, and that might have given Twilight time to escape. It just seems like it'd be odd for her to let Twilight live and just continue chasing the others. Then again, I can actually see her being imprisoned as well. Just not sure right now. I get indecisive when I'm tired.

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If she got away herself, and she isn't imprisoned somewhere by NMM, I can think of one option that makes perfect sense in regards to explaining why NMM hasn't bothered with her and why Alternate Twilight hasn't sought out the remaining Elements to try again: Alternate Twilight has completely snapped, and has spent the entirety of the time since the Elements failed trying to find and free Celestia by herself.



Because, honestly, based not only on Twilight as she was in S1E1 an S1E2, before she mellowed out by making friends; but a Twilight who attempted to mellow out and it blew up in her face? I can absolutely see her blocking everything else out in an attempt to find her teacher, to the extent that it completely overrules all other concerns. Remember that Captain Dash thought Spitfire to be a far closer friend than any of the Mane Six with the possible exception of Fluttershy (as in this story none of them were close before the timeline split off), so I don't see why the same reasoning couldn't apply to Twilight.

There's something I noticed that may be of relevance:

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NMM was referred to as Luna at certain points in this chapter. Could those points indicate that she was showing small signs of humility?

That? I dunno. I sorta caught that (I was really sorta distracted by what I think is the bigger potential revelation), but I'm not entirely sure of the significance for it. If I had to guess, I would say that you were right, though. Either that or remorse.

 

[Wiegert]

Brace for flood of disappointed Bronies is just a few more days.

Damn, reading the comments it's almost as if there are no 2 people with the same expectations of Luna. There are going to be some sad Bronies come Saturday.

I hope some Bronies don't get too upset about the fact that Luna will be different to what they expected. If some people do however, then they will just have to accept it rather than moan about how Luna doesn't act in the same way she did in a certain fanfic or comic.

Also, just incase you^ missed the part of my comment

No, I didn't miss what you said:

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say that Celly is imprisoned somewhere in Equestria. If it turns out that she is no longer around, then that would surprise me.

 

[Tornado]