The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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CSLACR
A grand to play a game?
How much will the next one be?
To many better things in life for that amount of money
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No, it's 360 dollars to play the game (GT5). 460 if you want a very good wheel for 100 bucks (DFGT). Like I said, you don't need to buy this wheel to play GT5 or any other game out there.
And about better things in life, I agree, there are, but that's just our opinion. 👍
Also just because there are better things doesn't mean playing GT5 with a wheel like this isn't one of the best ways to spend a grand on. For many people it is.
Hobbies are very expensive in general, and gaming isn't that expensive of a hobby at all. I have many main hobbies, the main ones being Astrophotography/Stargazing at night on clear nights, Photography sometimes, RC flying on weekends when there's nice weather, and others, and they are all at least 3 times more expensive than a ps3, GT5, and a T500RS with money to spare for the shifter combined. Many times more expensive than gaming in general.

I understand people have better things to spend their money on, I do too, but I sure would shell out 600 bucks for a high quality wheel. And then again, if you don't want to, simply don't. No one is obliged to buy one.
 
KidCastro
Dude, how did you conclude that the T500RS is better than the G27 & Fanatec. Its not even out yet and they arent known for quality anyway. I think the majority conclude, that a $2600 wheel is better suited for sim games on PC "iracing" not GT5. GT5 gamers do not want to spend $600USD just for wheel and pedals then extra for shifter. This is too insane to comprehend.

The upside to all this, G27 & fanatec should hopefully drop there price.

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I didn't. All I said is it has advantages (It does), and that It seems better (From the info we have now). You need to read every word, otherwise you're bound to misinterpret.

The wheel will work on PC for sure, so it will appeal to PC gamers as well. (100% sure, you can take that to the bank, even if it's not officially supported everything will work. You can get anything to work on PC.)

And again, if you don't want to pay for it, simply don't! how many times do I have to say no one is obliged to buy it? It's an option for those who wants high end stuff. What's hard to comprehend is why are people making such a big deal of the price?

And they aren't known for quality? They make the best joystick for flight sims out there, nothing comes even close to their HOTAS.
 
This is getting tempting. Seeing as the pedals are changeable, I have been checking out alternatives. Google sparco motorsport pedals for some really funky options.
 
The wheel most likely spin as hard and fast as a real wheel would judging from the FFB motor, so if your after the best drifting experience this could be the wheel! :)

DFGT is an epic fail in this area.
 
Guillemot Thrustmaster T500 RS
Release Date: January 5 2011 (North America) / December 25 2010 (Europe)

The Thrustmaster T500 RS, developed specifically for Gran Turismo 5, is a high end steering wheel that pushes the limits of power and precision.

The sheer weight of the controllers is indicative of the care Thrustmaster took in developing a premium product, with the steering weighing in at 10.1lbs, and the pedals 16lbs.

The sturdy 30cm diameter steering wheel is reinforced with metal spokes and a 16 bit magnetic sensor with a 65536 step resolution which detects the controller's position, providing maximum precision and steering control.

Force feedback is provided by, an industrial motor with 150Nm torque and 65w output which quickly and accurately delivers steering feedback.

The innovation behind this controller is also evident in the all-metal pedals. The pedal layout consists of three pedals including a durable footrest. By changing the footrest position, a "floor-mounted" F1 style, or a "suspended" GT pedal configuration.

The brakes also offer incredible touch. With a foot pressure "weight" of 157N, the T500 RS brakes allow precision braking control.
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http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5520.html
 
Don't know if you've seen this yet but on the Gran Turismo News section of the game the top story is "two steering contoller products now officially compatible with GT5".

It lists T500RS release dates as

Europe- Dec 25th 2010 (Tomorrow??)

North America - 5th January 2011
 
porsche 9146
hm...................

those pedals are better than the clubsports (the pedals you'd get with a PWGT3RS and still only pay 350 dollars for)? the ultra small wheel with vibration motors in the base instead of the rim is better? the lack of clear adjustability is better?

have you ever used a fanatec product?

this wheel might be a little bit better than the fanatec in some ways, but it's clearly not 250 dollars better, and it certainly isn't on a whole new level of quality.

besides, we know it looks nice, but remember that thrustmaster has no history of quality racing wheels, nothing like the pedigree of logitech and fanatec. this is the equivalent of kia creating a car to compete with the 911 and the corvette at the price of a gallardo.
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There are better pedals out there than CSP. For example http://www.cannonsimulationtechnologies.com/ They claim these are very close to real life. Then you have this for the g25/g27 pedals: http://perfectpedal.com/whispepe.html
Also Fanatec wheels were also pretty much crap in the past as well. I doubt even Thrustmaster is dumb enough to produce a crappy wheel and then charge $600 for it.

I do have a set of CSP and Fanatec did take some short cuts. The new tuning kit (extra cost) does improve it some. (better pedal bearings)
So yes it very possible these pedals could be better than CSP. Just from looks these pedals look better than CSP as I don't like all those small wires exposed.
 
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We should be happy another company is at leas trying to make new products which could benefit us all. Belt drive is alot better than gears for feedback. And now Thrustmaster seems to have eliminated optical tracking which as far as I know will be new technology in <601$ wheels.

Hopefully they deliver a good wheel with good support. I will gladly store my fanatec wheel with my retired G25 and G27 if they deliver.
 
£450 seems like a joke to me, i'm going to be passing this up. Especially because it doesn't even come with the shifter included. Will probably check the reviews though.
 
Well, we should start seeing reviews soon. Although I KNOW I won't get one of these, I am interested in seeing how it actually stacks up.

If I didn't have a G27, I would have went with the Fanatec (and still might).
 
I'm still excited for the wheel. I'll be getting it has a birthday gift(21yrs old w00T!) so the price is of no concern to me. And if the release date is true I'll get to have it 3 days before my birthday. 2011 is looking GREAT sofar.
 
TomN
UPDATE 12 - December 24th:

Thrustmaster listed December 25th as the European release date, as noted by kikie.

Indeed, that is tomorrow! Unless this is a mistake we should be getting a Christmas release! That means reviews should start streaming in anytime, even though we still have no clue on when we'll get some details on the H-shifter... Oh well, time will tell.
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The press release talks about January, 5th. I don´t know where Kikie take december, 25th date...
 
porsche 9146
hm...................

those pedals are better than the clubsports (the pedals you'd get with a PWGT3RS and still only pay 350 dollars for)? the ultra small wheel with vibration motors in the base instead of the rim is better? the lack of clear adjustability is better?

have you ever used a fanatec product?

this wheel might be a little bit better than the fanatec in some ways, but it's clearly not 250 dollars better, and it certainly isn't on a whole new level of quality.

besides, we know it looks nice, but remember that thrustmaster has no history of quality racing wheels, nothing like the pedigree of logitech and fanatec. this is the equivalent of kia creating a car to compete with the 911 and the corvette at the price of a gallardo.
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I have used a fanatec product including the Clubsport pedals.

Reliability to me is worth more than 250 dollars, and the fact that i can't return it to a store does not help either.

Yes i had a bad experience with fanatec, as you can tell. It's probably all better now, but it left a bad impression on me.
 
porsche 9146
hm...................

those pedals are better than the clubsports (the pedals you'd get with a PWGT3RS and still only pay 350 dollars for)? the ultra small wheel with vibration motors in the base instead of the rim is better? the lack of clear adjustability is better?

have you ever used a fanatec product?

this wheel might be a little bit better than the fanatec in some ways, but it's clearly not 250 dollars better, and it certainly isn't on a whole new level of quality.

besides, we know it looks nice, but remember that thrustmaster has no history of quality racing wheels, nothing like the pedigree of logitech and fanatec. this is the equivalent of kia creating a car to compete with the 911 and the corvette at the price of a gallardo.
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It does seem 250 bucks better to me.
Your whole post is ironic. Have you used a T500RS? Then how do you know it's clearly "not 250 bucks better" and "certainly not a whole new level of quality"? ;)
Have you used ANY TM product? Have you even touched their HOTAS and other quality products from them which are lightyears ahead of any competition, including logitech and Saitec, the two other brands competing with TM in that area.
They sure know how to do quality products better than anyone else when they want to, and this seems to be an attempt at the HOTAS of wheels from them, meaning they are going for precision and superior quality, aimed at the high budget marked, just like the HOTAS.

Your analogy doesn't make any sense by the way.

I'm not saying it will deliver, I'm just saying 3 things:
1. TM knows how to build a quality procuct, at a budget.
2. The wheel is promising and has great potential. From the info we have to far, the wheel seems definitely better than fanatec's and Logitech's, with bigger and more powerful motor, dual belt drive, and better precision. We don't have much info on the pedals, especially the brakes, but it does have features the competition doesn't, like the fact that it's reversible and 100% metal.
3. It's not aimed at everybody, it's aimed at the high budget consumer, just like their HOTAS.
 
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9000Gs
It does seem 250 bucks better to me.
Your whole post is ironic. Have you used a T500RS? Then how do you know it's clearly "not 250 bucks better" and "certainly not a whole new level of quality"? ;)
Have you used ANY TM product? Have you even touched their HOTAS and other quality products from them which are lightyears ahead of any competition, including logitech and Saitec, the two other brands competing with TM in that area.
They sure know how to do quality products better than anyone else when they want to, and this seems to be an attempt at the HOTAS of wheels from them, meaning they are going for precision and superior quality, aimed at the high budget marked, just like the HOTAS.

Your analogy doesn't make any sense by the way.

I'm not saying it will deliver, I'm just saying 3 things:
1. TM knows how to build a quality procuct, at a budget.
2. The wheel is promising and has great potential. From the info we have to far, the wheel seems definitely better than fanatec's and Logitech's, with bigger and more powerful motor, dual belt drive, and better precision. We don't have much info on the pedals, especially the brakes, but it does have features the competition doesn't, like the fact that it's reversible and 100% metal.
3. It's not aimed at everybody, it's aimed at the high budget consumer, just like their HOTAS.
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I've never used a quality thrustmaster product, but I've used some of their older wheels in the past. needless to say, I was far from impressed. as for the "features the competition doesn't", the clubsport pedals are 100 percent aluminum and reversable. besides, let's not forget that the G27 and fanatec both have PC support, which this supposedly does not, the logitech has more programmable buttons, and you can buy the fanatec with xbox 360 compatibility.

I'm not exactly sure 600 dollars is exactly a budget. it sounds like they just threw money at the project and want to break even. I assume they were in the board room and said "so the logitech wheel has a realistic 900 degrees of steering" "okay, let's make it 1080" "well fanatec wheels have belt driven force feedback" "okay, add TWO belts!" and other attempts to basically just one-up the competition on paper, until they realised just how expensive it was becoming.

again, I haven't used this wheel, but I'm familiar enough with the other two wheels that I'm confident that no wheel can make a similar jump to the one they've made on things like the DFGT for only 600 dollars.

edit: as for my analogy, what I'm trying to say is that this is the equivalent of an inexperienced economy car producer trying to create a sports car that competes with the best, but marketing at a price closer to a supercar.
 
porsche 9146
I've never used a quality thrustmaster product, but I've used some of their older wheels in the past. needless to say, I was far from impressed. as for the "features the competition doesn't", the clubsport pedals are 100 percent aluminum and reversable. besides, let's not forget that the G27 and fanatec both have PC support, which this supposedly does not, the logitech has more programmable buttons, and you can buy the fanatec with xbox 360 compatibility.

I'm not exactly sure 600 dollars is exactly a budget. it sounds like they just threw money at the project and want to break even. I assume they were in the board room and said "so the logitech wheel has a realistic 900 degrees of steering" "okay, let's make it 1080" "well fanatec wheels have belt driven force feedback" "okay, add TWO belts!" and other attempts to basically just one-up the competition on paper, until they realised just how expensive it was becoming.

again, I haven't used this wheel, but I'm familiar enough with the other two wheels that I'm confident that no wheel can make a similar jump to the one they've made on things like the DFGT for only 600 dollars.

edit: as for my analogy, what I'm trying to say is that this is the equivalent of an inexperienced economy car producer trying to create a sports car that competes with the best, but marketing at a price closer to a supercar.
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Why so much hate for this wheel? Are you jealous? 900 degree isn't enough for all cars, some have more, so they added this as an extra feature, and probably doesn't even add to the cost. Dual belt allows for more precision, strength, and most importantly durability. The large motor provides much better force feedback. The wheel's precision is hands down the best. There's no friction since it uses magnetism, adding to the durability and most importantly it doesn't get weaker over time. The shifter is not fixed to the wheel, which is a very nice thing other wheels don't have, this alone is a selling point for me.
The pedals are fully adjustable. Not only height and spacing, but the inclination as well. T500RS' pedals are reversible, clubsports are not. We don't have all the info we need to compare them yet. We don't know how the brake pedal will be.

The T500RS will work on any PC racing games, so that's not something to worry about either.

You're familiar with the other 2 wheels and are confident enough that it can't make a just like G27 from DFGT? You make no sense there. From what I've seen of this wheel, it's definitely a big jump, both pedals and wheel.

From the info we have right now it looks like a much better set, though at a higher price. Just like the G27 is to the DFGT.

I know what you're saying with your analogy, it's just that it's a bad analogy since it doesn't describe what thrustmaster is doing at all.

Again, why so much hate for this wheel?
 
porsche 9146
I've never used a quality thrustmaster product, but I've used some of their older wheels in the past. needless to say, I was far from impressed. as for the "features the competition doesn't", the clubsport pedals are 100 percent aluminum and reversable. besides, let's not forget that the G27 and fanatec both have PC support, which this supposedly does not, the logitech has more programmable buttons, and you can buy the fanatec with xbox 360 compatibility.

I'm not exactly sure 600 dollars is exactly a budget. it sounds like they just threw money at the project and want to break even. I assume they were in the board room and said "so the logitech wheel has a realistic 900 degrees of steering" "okay, let's make it 1080" "well fanatec wheels have belt driven force feedback" "okay, add TWO belts!" and other attempts to basically just one-up the competition on paper, until they realised just how expensive it was becoming.

again, I haven't used this wheel, but I'm familiar enough with the other two wheels that I'm confident that no wheel can make a similar jump to the one they've made on things like the DFGT for only 600 dollars.

edit: as for my analogy, what I'm trying to say is that this is the equivalent of a semi-high quality luxury car producer trying to create a high-end luxury Sports car that competes with the best, but marketing at a price closer to a Supercar.
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You mean kind of like the Lexus LFA? :lol: Too bad it looks like it will be a failure (for the most part).

The red is my edit.
 
I've been told by our Thrustmaster rep that we'll be getting one of these to review very soon. Also looks like the official release per their Facebook is now January 5th in the US.

We'll give you guys the unbiased / in depth after spending some time with it. We'll also post a first look video within a day or so of us receiving it.

Happy Holidays ! :dopey:

Darin Gangi
Inside Sim Racing
 
RedSuinit
You mean kind of like the Lexus LFA? :lol: Too bad it looks like it will be a failure (for the most part).

The red is my edit.
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that's exactly what I was trying to say. yes, it's exactly like lexus trying to compete with the SLS AMG and 458 italia by producing something that's slightly better, but twice the price.
 
porsche 9146
that's exactly what I was trying to say. yes, it's exactly like lexus trying to compete with the SLS AMG and 458 italia by producing something that's slightly better, but twice the price.
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And that is exactly why I say it's a bad analogy. Once again, I get your analogy, but it just doesn't go with what's going on with the T500RS and Fanatec's/Logitech's wheels.

First of, you don't know if it's only "slightly better", and second, from the info we have, on paper it's definitely not just "slightly better".

You need to follow your own advice, wait for the final product and see for yourself before jumping into conclusions.

Could be 10x better, could be "slightly better", could be the same, could be worse. It all comes down to if it's worth the 600 bucks or not.
 

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