The Trump Impeachment Thread

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Will the current Articles of Impeachment ever be sent from the House to the Senate?

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GranTurNismo
Sad but true. A "RINO" would be anyone with an R in front of their name who dares do the slightest thing critical of Donald Trump.
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And as I said in the other thread, this keeps the door open for him to run again in 2024.
 
From our friends at Fox:

'QAnon Shaman' willing to testify in Trump's impeachment trial, lawyer says

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qa...stify-in-trumps-impeachment-trial-lawyer-says



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Danoff
Ok so if that happens he has to say "I'm baaaack" when he walks into the Senate chamber. "Bet you folks didn't think you'd see me in here again so soon did you?" And please wear the outfit and paint or we won't recognize him.
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He couldn't quite make this coup stick.
 
Asha Rangappa, former law enforcement professional, lawyer and legal/NatSec analyst, tweeted her thoughts on Republicans' backing of Trump over impeachment and they're too good to not share here.

For convenience, I've transcribed them in full, with only minor changes to format and punctuation. I've also embedded the original intro tweet--from which the series of posts can be accessed--below.

THREAD. I had to take a little break from political Twitter to gather my thoughts on how the GOP is responding to impeachment. I find that in the face of gaslighting, it is useful to repeat things that we know to be true, and then assess the choices from there. To wit:

TRUTH #1: Donald Trump did not win the 2020 election. He could not accept this outcome. Because of his inability to accept this outcome, he manufactured a Big Lie that he *did* win the election, and put all of the official powers at his disposal to force this to be the case.

TRUTH #2: As part of this effort, he attempted to 1) shakedown the Secretary of State of Georgia to manufacture 11,780 "extra" votes that would give him a victory in that state; 2) conspired with officials at DOJ to manufacture false cases of voter fraud in Georgia and 3) rallied his supporters using the Big Lie to convene in Washington, D.C. to "fight" against Congress' Electoral College certification. When this became a violent insurrection at the Capitol, he refused to use his power to either verbally disavow that insurrection or use his official authority to permit the National Guard and other reinforcement mechanisms to protect the official and constitutional functions of a coequal branch of government. In so doing, he violated his oath of office.

TRUTH #3: His words and actions, in addition to his failure to act, resulted in the death of 5 people, including law enforcement officials, and the threat to the lives of members of Congress and his own Vice President.

TRUTH #4: If he had succeeded, it is unclear what state of functioning our democracy would be in at this moment.

TRUTH #5: There are members of Congress who subscribe to the Big Lie, and are effectively representing the interests of the domestic terrorists who invaded our Capitol in our democratic processes.

Reasonable people cannot disagree on the above Truths. The question is how whether and how Trump should be held accountable for #1-5. Impeachment is one option through which he can be held accountable, and specifically whether he should be barred from holding office again.

If Senators hide behind procedural arguments for why Trump's actions cannot be adjudicated in an impeachment trial (on which the weight of experts agree is permitted), then they are avoiding, but not answering, the question of accountability.

So the only questions to ask these people is: 1) Do you believe Trump should be held accountable for his actions? (yes or no) and 2) If not an impeachment, then how? (i.e., do they go on record as conceding that criminal prosecution is OK?)

Underlying both of these questions, of course, is the more fundamental question of: Do you disavow Trump's Big Lie? Unless GOP are willing to go on record saying YES, then they are 1) saying the insurrection was justified and 2) Trump should not be held accountable, ever. /END

P.S. I am a linear thinker and I think there is a nice graph/flowchart that can be made from the above if anyone is inclined to make it!
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Danoff
Ok so if that happens he has to say "I'm baaaack" when he walks into the Senate chamber. "Bet you folks didn't think you'd see me in here again so soon did you?" And please wear the outfit and paint or we won't recognize him.
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How stupid do you have to be when you go from being a horned, bare-chested, face-painted, spear-wielding, Senate-storming, QAnon fanatic ... to admitting you were just completely mislead by Donald J. Trump, all in the space of a few weeks?

Rhetorical question.
 
Given his bankruptcies and dubious business practices, "Trump" and "asset" just don't seem like things that stay together for a long time.

Take off the -et maybe.
 
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I heard something on the news about Trump parting ways with his entire legal defence team. Did some googling and found this (behind a paywall.)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...l/news-story/2e79cf91a920d783364dc6d426d0ac52

Donald Trump’s entire legal team has reportedly quit just days before his impeachment trial begins.
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Other sources are saying between 2 & 5 lawyers have left. Apparently trump is still trying to use the defence of election fraud, and the lawyers have flat out refused to do that. This could be a big deal...
 
Hayden
I heard something on the news about Trump parting ways with his entire legal defence team. Did some googling and found this (behind a paywall.)

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...l/news-story/2e79cf91a920d783364dc6d426d0ac52



Other sources are saying between 2 & 5 lawyers have left. Apparently trump is still trying to use the defence of election fraud, and the lawyers have flat out refused to do that. This could be a big deal...
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Can’t see if your source also notes it but he apparently wants to represent himself which has contributed to his law in team resigning.
 
McLaren
Can’t see if your source also notes it but he apparently wants to represent himself which has contributed to his law in team resigning.
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So he's going to represent himself and might look like an idiot while doing so? That might be the ONLY way he gets convicted (upping the chance from 0% to maybe 0.2%). Unless he has his supporters attempt to invade the Capitol during his defense, I can't see any R's convicting him (as he has 5 or 10 who are completely behind him even if he robbed them blind).
 
Romney is a safe bet to convict. I was never super confident about Sasse and Toomey, and I'm losing confidence in Sen. Lisa Murkowski, not because of anything she's said or done since voicing support for a trial, but because McConnell getting a postponement out of Schumer--ostensibly to give Senate Rs a chance to build a defense, when he knew there was never a chance enough of them would vote to convict--was actually about giving anyone who may not toe the party line the opportunity to buckle under pressure from the unhinged base. Mitch knows dissent on this issue is bad for the GOP and his plays have always been a hedge against that.
 
Liquid
Given his bankruptcies and dubious business practices, "Trump" and "asset" just don't seem like things that stay together for a long time.

Take off the -et maybe.
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You are much too kind....

This country is in this situation because of indifferent attitude towards such bull....

Not "maybe", "is"!



When the truth is denied to all, and lies are pushed toward everyone, this is why we have people like Marjorie pushing false rhetoric...


We all need to call out things for what it is and educate the fools and not give them anymore any benefit of our doubts....
... When there are doubts and assumptions, that's when we let the worst of us pull everyone down, then society continue to benefits only those are the top who just know better and who are able to manipulate us all...


Just my 2 cents, I am frustrated that idiots are getting guns, and God forbids their freedom to be stupid is being infringed...

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If it wasn't clear already, what I meant to say is:
The fight should not be between left and right, but rather up and down the social economic ladder...
 
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:odd:

A couple "new" characters join Trump's legal team.

Bruce L. Castor Jr., who previously, as a district attorney, declined to prosecute Bill Cosby for allegations of sexual assault against Andrea Constand, went on to accuse Constand of changing her story which prompted her to file a defamation lawsuit that was settled out of court and then retaliated with a suit of his own against Constand, that was tossed out of court.

And then there's David Schoen, who met with Jeffrey Epstein just days before the latter's death, which may or may not have been under suspicious circumstances.

Weird.
 
TexRex
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A couple "new" characters join Trump's legal team.

Bruce L. Castor Jr., who previously, as a district attorney, declined to prosecute Bill Cosby for allegations of sexual assault against Andrea Constand, went on to accuse Constand of changing her story which prompted her to file a defamation lawsuit that was settled out of court and then retaliated with a suit of his own against Constand, that was tossed out of court.
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You just know that once Trump scrapes a hole through the bottom of the barrel he'll kick it out and start scraping the ground underneath it. What happens when these clowns's cases are thrown out? This is just a show trial now. I wonder what he'll do if they try him as a civilian.

TexRex
And then there's David Schoen, who met with Jeffrey Epstein just days before the latter's death, which may or may not have been under suspicious circumstances.

Weird.
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Trump's defense case didn’t kill itself.
 
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Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.... except in South Carolina, where a sitting President essentially has immunity from being charged with anything :rolleyes:.
 
Blitz24
Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.... except in South Carolina, where a sitting President essentially has immunity from being charged with anything :rolleyes:.
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I believe the word you're looking for is "feckless."
 
TexRex
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It's remarkable how many of the replies supporting this tweet seem to boil down to "but BLM/Antifa burnt down cities and destroyed property". That old favourite "USA is not a democracy" also crops up a few times.
 

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