I think in GT5, there should be more American cars because usually there aren't a lot of them in any GT game. I made my own GT4 car list, and I found out that more than half of the cars were actually made in Japan. Mostly rice-burners - Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, etc. (from the 80s and 90s, some from the 00s) I think Sony and PD should really putting in a lot more American cars, otherwise its like an enjoyable game only for riceburner lovers. I mean in GT4, only about 250 - 325 cars were American (out of the 675). In GT5, I would like to have mabye 1700 cars in the game. 500 would be American, 500 would be Japanese, and the rest would be other car manufacturers from different countries like Germany and England. For example, the should have some good American muscle like the 1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 or the 1966 Pontiac GTO Convertible. Also, PD and Sony should work on the sound of the muscle cars a little more so they actually sound more realistic. Also, it would be cool if it included the three very-much-missed manufacturers - Porsche, Ferarri, and Lamborghini. Also, GT5 (I think) should have realistic damage, more cars from the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. That would be an awesome game for me!!! Thanks for reading, Hitman.
The types of cars that should be in GT5
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There were indeed more American and European cars in GT4, but I dont necessiarily know if more would be better... Maybe instead a better selection of cars from every continent to even out to percieved balance issues. Sure, its nice have 750+ cars... But when 3/4 of the crap are Japanese cars I've never herd of and would never buy, why have them in the game?
Simply put, Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, et al arent in the game because Sony doest want to shell out the cash to get the marques in the game. If they can licence themselves out to crap-tastic games like Test Drive and OutRun, there is no reason why they wouldnt want to be in Gran Turismo.
The classic American car inclusions would be nice, espically if there were more of them. But the Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 is not high on most American car enthusiest's minds... I mean sure, it was an awesome car, and I too love it... But the Camaro Z/28, SS, COPO, and the Firebird Trans Am were faster and overall, better performing cars...
BTW: Whats with the '66 GTO Convert? They were slower than the coupes, and why not use the '65? Hell, even the origional '64?
Damage is something that takes time, and apparently GT doesnt want it in the game yet... Of course Microsoft churned out Forza in less time than GT4 complete with all the great licences, damage, and online play, and you mean to tell me Sony cant do it? Hmmm...
GT4 lost a lot when it is compared with Forza, and hopefully GT5 will be a bit better... That said, GT5 is the ONLY reason why I would consider buying a PS3 anyway...
Simply put, Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, et al arent in the game because Sony doest want to shell out the cash to get the marques in the game. If they can licence themselves out to crap-tastic games like Test Drive and OutRun, there is no reason why they wouldnt want to be in Gran Turismo.
The classic American car inclusions would be nice, espically if there were more of them. But the Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 is not high on most American car enthusiest's minds... I mean sure, it was an awesome car, and I too love it... But the Camaro Z/28, SS, COPO, and the Firebird Trans Am were faster and overall, better performing cars...
BTW: Whats with the '66 GTO Convert? They were slower than the coupes, and why not use the '65? Hell, even the origional '64?
Damage is something that takes time, and apparently GT doesnt want it in the game yet... Of course Microsoft churned out Forza in less time than GT4 complete with all the great licences, damage, and online play, and you mean to tell me Sony cant do it? Hmmm...
GT4 lost a lot when it is compared with Forza, and hopefully GT5 will be a bit better... That said, GT5 is the ONLY reason why I would consider buying a PS3 anyway...
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I could name so many cars on the level of all the Japanese cars in the game, that arent, it's sick - don't get me started
I have no idea what makes you think 250-325 are American, that's almost half, and it's not even close to that. While I don't have exact numbers, I wouldnt be surprised if there were less than 100....
I have no idea what makes you think 250-325 are American, that's almost half, and it's not even close to that. While I don't have exact numbers, I wouldnt be surprised if there were less than 100....
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"Uh, Hi, Mr Ferrari. This is Bill Gates, I was wondering if you could sign this"
I really could care less about damage. IMO Forza is too bland for my taste. You ALWAYS know who you are going to race (and EVEN what color they will be!), no 2player replay, no photomode or DFP wheel. But this isnt a debate about that.
Yes, I also think more American cars should make it into the game. I would especially like to see more cars from the 30's-80's
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I think there should be more japanese cars in GT5 and less American cars. Yeah that is my opinion..... really. Everybody has an opinion, and I respect that. But don't think that the ratio will change a lot...Face it, japanese cars will always be the majority in GT.
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I agree that there should be even more Japanese cars, but less American cars? I'm not a fan of American cars, but there shouldn't be less. BMax_DC
ut, I don't need more American cars either, there just aren't any more American cars I actually want to drive, for me GT4 already has all the essentials.
On the other hand, there are still lots of European and Japanese cars I'd like to see in GT5. It's all about preferences. Some other individual will say he wants more American and less Japanese cars, for me it's the other way around. In the end, PD decides and we all have to agree. But you can't blame them for not including as many American cars as Japanese cars. They're still a Japanese developer. If I'd make a race game, I'd give European cars priority over American/Japanese cars, just because I'm European. It's only natural.
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This just in: there are only 61 American cars excluding Japanese-owned companies.i.e.,Lexus, Infinity,Acura,etc....
This including all race cars
This including all race cars
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Don't forget to subtract anything made by Chrysler while they've been owned by Mercedes.
And the ones not made in the US (DeLorean, Ford GT40 (and race car), Ford GT (x2 and race cars), Ford RS200 (and race car), Ford Escort Rally Car, Ford Focus ST170, Ford Focus RS, Ford Ka, Shelby Cobra).
And the Nike car, which doesn't exist...
Oh, but add on the Volvos, Jaguars, Aston Martins, Mazdas, Vauxhall/Opels, Aussie V8s and Land Rover - they can't count in their own territory as they are American-owned companies...
It can get very tricky when you ask where a car is from...
And the ones not made in the US (DeLorean, Ford GT40 (and race car), Ford GT (x2 and race cars), Ford RS200 (and race car), Ford Escort Rally Car, Ford Focus ST170, Ford Focus RS, Ford Ka, Shelby Cobra).
And the Nike car, which doesn't exist...
Oh, but add on the Volvos, Jaguars, Aston Martins, Mazdas, Vauxhall/Opels, Aussie V8s and Land Rover - they can't count in their own territory as they are American-owned companies...
It can get very tricky when you ask where a car is from...
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The DeLorean would be the first Irish car, no wonder it failed.
I don't see any point *****ing about this company is owned by that one so they're cars must be from there as well. The bottom line is, Acura and Lexus are American, they're owned by Japanese companies, but so what they're still American. Aston Martin is British, it's owned by an American company, they're still British.
I don't see any point *****ing about this company is owned by that one so they're cars must be from there as well. The bottom line is, Acura and Lexus are American, they're owned by Japanese companies, but so what they're still American. Aston Martin is British, it's owned by an American company, they're still British.
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let me rephrase
nly 60 cars sold in America, and made by American companies
being all that really matter to me and the other however many million American consumers (as for what counts as American, and we can ever use)
nly 60 cars sold in America, and made by American companiesbeing all that really matter to me and the other however many million American consumers (as for what counts as American, and we can ever use)
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I, nor anybody I've heard, other than people from other countries, would not consider them to be American cars
American - all GM, Ford,Dodge -- get the idea? I even counted the stupid Nike and Jay Leno cars, and Chrysler, since they own Dodge, and regardless of any affiliation with Mercedes, are counted as an American company
American - all GM, Ford,Dodge -- get the idea? I even counted the stupid Nike and Jay Leno cars, and Chrysler, since they own Dodge, and regardless of any affiliation with Mercedes, are counted as an American company
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Disturbed07let me rephrase
being all that really matter to me and the other however many million American consumers (as for what counts as American, and we can ever use)
Ford GT - Made by Roush (British company) in the UK.
Ford RS200 - Made by Ford Europe (German company), Reliant (British company) and Cosworth (British company) in the UK.
Ford Escort - Made by Ford Europe (German company) in the UK and the Netherlands.
BUT
Vauxhall/Opel Astra - Made by Vauxhall/Opel, wholly GM-owned subsidiary (as with Lexus/Toyota, Infiniti/Nissan, Acura/Honda) in the UK/Germany.
The Escort and RS200 were never sold in "America" and so are neither sold in nor made by American companies - as your stated criteria - yet account for three of your American cars. The Ford GT, while sold in the US and funded by US money, is manufactured - as with its predecessor - in the UK, by Roush (the GT40 was built by Ford Europe, rather than Roush, but still in the UK) - so is sold in the US under US corporate badging but not actually made by US companies. On the other hand, the Astra is made by a US company, on European shores, but not sold in the US.
So, if the Astra is European, then the Infiniti G35 is American. If the Infiniti G35 is Japanese, then the Astra is American. The Focus RS (and rally car), Focus ST170, Escort, Ka and RS200 (and rally car) aren't American in any way, other than that the money trail eventually leads to the US, as it does with all Mazdas, Jaguars, Aston Martins and Volvos, so if any of those Fords are classed as American then the Mazdas, Jaguars, Aston Martins and Volvos are too.
As I said, when you ask where a car is from, life gets very complicated.
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Now you're just being argumentitive
By that rational, a lot of GM cars would be Canadian then too. How about this::::::::Who Owns The Comapany? that is ALL since you just can't get over petty details
but now, you'll have to count, cause I already did mine
Famine
Now you're just being argumentitive
By that rational, a lot of GM cars would be Canadian then too. How about this::::::::Who Owns The Comapany? that is ALL since you just can't get over petty details
but now, you'll have to count, cause I already did mine
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Probably. But I'm endeavouring to point out to you that it's not quite as simple as "this car is American", "this car is Japanese".
Disturbed07
What rationale? I was using YOUR reasoning. Which was:
- Sold in America
- Made by American companies
It is by these criteria that YOU state Lexus, Infiniti and Acura are not American. But if you classify these companies' cars as not being American by these criteria then you must consider other vehicles which fall foul of it, or you're just being inconsistent.
If you are using the GT4 car list then you must remove from the 60, by YOUR first criterion:
Ford Escort (never sold in America)
Ford RS200 (never sold in America)
Ford RS200 Rally Car (never sold in America)
Ford Focus ST170 (never sold in America - though a close relative called the Focus SVT was)
Ford Focus RS (never sold in America)
Ford Focus Rally Car (never sold in America)
Ford Ka (never sold in America)
As for "Made by American companies", you need to clarify. Do you mean literally fabricated by American companies, or sold through/funded by American companies. In either case these could be considered not to be American:
Ford GT40 (made by Ford Europe in UK, sold by Ford, US)
Ford GT (made by Roush, UK, sold by Ford, US)
Chrysler/Dodge Viper (funded by Mercedes Benz)
Chrysler/Plymouth PT Cruiser (funded by Mercedes Benz)
Chrysler Crossfire (funded by Mercedes Benz)
Disturbed07
Now you get even MORE complex, since:
All Astons, Jaguars, Land Rovers, Volvos, Mazdas are American (Ford)
All Holdens, Vauxhalls/Opels are American (GM)
All Chryslers/Dodges are German (Mercedes Benz)
All Nissans are French (Renault)
All Lotuses are Korean (Proton)
This rather bumps up the American car count.
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You excluded three companies from your count because of some rules you made up. I pointed out to you that your rules exclude many other cars too. They are YOUR "petty details", not mine.
If Infiniti are not American (sold in America, made by American company, owned by Japanese company), then what is? The Dodge Viper (sold in America, made by American company, owned by German company) certainly isn't. If you exclude the one then consistency dictates that you exclude the other. Only TWO of the Ford road cars are/were even sold in the US!
Disturbed07
But ignored several cars, and include several others, to fit in with what you think. Gotcha.
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It will get even more complex if you consider the exact owners, since for example at the time GT4 was released 20% of Fuju Heavy Ind. ( > Subaru ) was owned by GM, which would mean that 20% of the Subaru's would be American. Same thing with Mitsubishi and many other companies.
Daewoo just got a new label here in Germany : Chevrolet... are they American cars now ? I don't think so.
Imo Lexus and Infiniti are Japanese, since probably 95% of their cars are based on japanese cars.
Ford and GM are indeed a complex subject... as you've already pointed out.
And also a few words concerning my post above : In fact I don't care how many US cars will be in GT5, but I wanted to show that everybody has its own opinion and in the end Polyphony will decide, and I bet that Japan will have the largest amount of cars again.
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jammyozzyHehe, that's the spirit.
I think the easiest way of working it out is where the company the car is badged as originally came from.I think that works anyway.
You'd be amazed to learn that it doesn't...
Peugeot 406 Coupe. French, yes? It's paid for by French money (or European money...
), carries a French badge and was sold through French dealerships. But it's actually made by the designers, Pininfarina, in Italy.Same sort of thing works for the Spanish SEATs and Czech Skodas with the German VAG underpinnings and capital. Or the French Bugatti, made in Italy by Germans. Or the paid-for by the Brits, made in Ireland American DeLorean DMC-12. How about the Malaysian-owned Lotus-built American-controlled Vauxhall/Opel Lotus Carlton/Omega, or the Malaysian-owned Lotus-built American-controlled Ford Lotus Cortina, or the Malaysian-owned Lotus-built Japanese-controlled Tommy kaira ZZ-S, or the Malaysian-owned Lotus-built American-controlled Vauxhall VX220, or even the Malaysian-owned Lotus-built French-controlled Talbot Lotus Sunbeam?
It's a funny old world.
Blimey, Lotus whore themselves about don't they?
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Heh, it was just an idea.
Daewoo's just got re-badged as Chevvy's over here too. They really should bring some real chevvy's over here, it'd make Lakenheath seem less surreal.
Anyway, we're swerving off topic. I'd like to see some more american cars, as long as PD don't have to compromise on other things *cough*Speed 12*cough*.
Daewoo's just got re-badged as Chevvy's over here too. They really should bring some real chevvy's over here, it'd make Lakenheath seem less surreal.
Anyway, we're swerving off topic. I'd like to see some more american cars, as long as PD don't have to compromise on other things *cough*Speed 12*cough*.
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Yes it was. My mom had one. And there all over the place.
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Let's not go over this again.
Same name, different car. I'm not talking about car names, I'm talking about car MODELS. Was the shape of car in GT4 known as the "Ford Escort" ever sold in the USA? Before you answer, here are some comparative images:
Ford Escort - 1993 - US Market.
Ford Escort - 1993 - European Market.
Ford Escort Rally Car - 1994 - Gran Turismo 3.
The car in GT4 called "Ford Escort Rally Car" is based on the European market Ford Escort. It is a car developed by Ford Europe and built at plants in the UK and, I believe, Germany and the Netherlands. This car was never sold outside Europe.
Same name, different car. I'm not talking about car names, I'm talking about car MODELS. Was the shape of car in GT4 known as the "Ford Escort" ever sold in the USA? Before you answer, here are some comparative images:
Ford Escort - 1993 - US Market.
Ford Escort - 1993 - European Market.
Ford Escort Rally Car - 1994 - Gran Turismo 3.
The car in GT4 called "Ford Escort Rally Car" is based on the European market Ford Escort. It is a car developed by Ford Europe and built at plants in the UK and, I believe, Germany and the Netherlands. This car was never sold outside Europe.
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HOW ABOUT THIS
33% Asian
33% North America
33% Europe
1% other
Let's say you have 1000 cars in GT5. With that distribution, you would have the following.
333 Asian
333 North American
333 European
1 other
For an equally distributed amount of cars per company, this would need to be done.
ASIAN
33 Mitsubishis
33 Subarus
33 Daewoos
33 Hyundais
33 Kias
33 Hondas
33 Toyotas
33 Nissans
33 Suzukis
33 Mazdas
NORTH AMERICAN
33 Chevys
33 Pontiacs
33 Oldsmobiles
33 Buicks
33 Cadillacs
33 Fords
33 Mercurys
33 Plymouths
33 Dodges
33 Chryslers
EUROPEAN
33 Opels
33 Volkswagens
33 Audis
33 Alfa Romeos
33 Mercedes
33 Citroens
33 Peugeots
33 Renaults
33 Saabs
33 Volvos
OTHER
1 Holden
33% Asian
33% North America
33% Europe
1% other
Let's say you have 1000 cars in GT5. With that distribution, you would have the following.
333 Asian
333 North American
333 European
1 other
For an equally distributed amount of cars per company, this would need to be done.
ASIAN
33 Mitsubishis
33 Subarus
33 Daewoos
33 Hyundais
33 Kias
33 Hondas
33 Toyotas
33 Nissans
33 Suzukis
33 Mazdas
NORTH AMERICAN
33 Chevys
33 Pontiacs
33 Oldsmobiles
33 Buicks
33 Cadillacs
33 Fords
33 Mercurys
33 Plymouths
33 Dodges
33 Chryslers
EUROPEAN
33 Opels
33 Volkswagens
33 Audis
33 Alfa Romeos
33 Mercedes
33 Citroens
33 Peugeots
33 Renaults
33 Saabs
33 Volvos
OTHER
1 Holden
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