The types of cars that should be in GT5
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Lotus isnt owned by a korean company. Its owned by Proton, a Malaysian Automobile manufacturer that sells cars in asia.
Edit: But I agree, It doesnt matter where a car is from, its how the car drives that matters.
Edit: But I agree, It doesnt matter where a car is from, its how the car drives that matters.
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I agree 100%, as much as I'd have liked certain car brands and models to have appeared in GT4, I've never felt angry or annoyed that the majority of cars were Japanese or been bothered, I still drove them I still enjoyed them. The only real annoyance was that the old Mini Cooper was removed from the PAL version, the region of earth where the car is probably most liked in the world, well Japan may edge us with their love of all cars Kei, but still.Famine
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FamineLet's not go over this again.
Same name, different car. I'm not talking about car names, I'm talking about car MODELS. Was the shape of car in GT4 known as the "Ford Escort" ever sold in the USA? Before you answer, here are some comparative images:
Ford Escort - 1993 - US Market.
Ford Escort - 1993 - European Market.
Ford Escort Rally Car - 1994 - Gran Turismo 3.
The car in GT4 called "Ford Escort Rally Car" is based on the European market Ford Escort. It is a car developed by Ford Europe and built at plants in the UK and, I believe, Germany and the Netherlands. This car was never sold outside Europe.
I stand corrected. The one my mom had was the first.
) RS Cosworth road car. 
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Lets face it, PD is Japanese, so more Japanese cars would star, you see, if PD was US or europan, they would more likely star their own car. RIGHT!
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We need the ENTIRE JGTC lineup in GT5, all of the current season ones plus most of the previous years also. How sick would it be to race the actual league online and live with a 20+ field of JGTC cars. 
Can't wait to get my hands on GT5.
Can't wait to get my hands on GT5.- 360
TYPES THAT SHOULD BE IN
Sedans
Coupes
Sports Cars
Racing Cars
Tuner Editions
Special Editions
Street Trucks (El Camino, Ranchero, etc)
Sport Trucks (Xtreme, Lightning, etc)
Hatchbacks
Sports Coupes
Muscle Cars
Roadsters (Viper, MR2, etc)
Wagons
TYPES THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN
Pickups
SUVs
Minivans
Horseless Carriages
Econoboxes
Customs
Replicas
Sedans
Coupes
Sports Cars
Racing Cars
Tuner Editions
Special Editions
Street Trucks (El Camino, Ranchero, etc)
Sport Trucks (Xtreme, Lightning, etc)
Hatchbacks
Sports Coupes
Muscle Cars
Roadsters (Viper, MR2, etc)
Wagons
TYPES THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN
Pickups
SUVs
Minivans
Horseless Carriages
Econoboxes
Customs
Replicas
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EmohawkThe only exclusion I agree with is the replicas. It's a game, just put the original in.
Yeah, what's the purpose of having a replica? You're getting a virtual replica anyway. Why have a replica of a replica?
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I stand with cars sold in America, made by companys owned by Americans.... no, I don't care if that leaves dodge out, I mainly mean GM anyway.
Famine, although I usually agree with you, you have been really dumb about this, why can't you just take a point? how about the cars listed in America, in GT4? Is that to simple for you to understand?, though, Infinity's are all based on the Toyota's, so they really shouldnt be there, but they gotta go somewhere. No, I don't care if this fits to your liking at all.
That Escort looked like a 96 from America, with a bodykit, smartasses.... tell me how it's so different, being the same chassis, bodystyle (though more rounded, due to being updated sooner there) and, O lord! a bodykit and some neat headlights! it's a totally different car! wait, no it's not
P.S.,Chrysler was an American company, then later bought out, therefore has some credibility as American, being that Americans built it and design cars for them... Opel? do American's design them? did GM design Subaru's? or do they simply own the company's?
Do you count Lamborghinis as Volkswagons? and then Volkswagons as Audi's? tecnically sure, but the companys each get their own affiliation, and arent all called German, are they? are Lamborghini's not Italian? I certainly consider them to be... there's a line between Intelligent thinking, and being argumentitive jokingly, and then being an ass about it... guess which was done here?
60 American cars, thats my count
If you have a better definition, post what it is, and how many cars are in it, if you can't make up your mind,(since you've never said what you'd like to count, specificly) then don't tell other people how to count them, or what to consider.
Famine, although I usually agree with you, you have been really dumb about this, why can't you just take a point? how about the cars listed in America, in GT4? Is that to simple for you to understand?, though, Infinity's are all based on the Toyota's, so they really shouldnt be there, but they gotta go somewhere. No, I don't care if this fits to your liking at all.
That Escort looked like a 96 from America, with a bodykit, smartasses.... tell me how it's so different, being the same chassis, bodystyle (though more rounded, due to being updated sooner there) and, O lord! a bodykit and some neat headlights! it's a totally different car! wait, no it's not
P.S.,Chrysler was an American company, then later bought out, therefore has some credibility as American, being that Americans built it and design cars for them... Opel? do American's design them? did GM design Subaru's? or do they simply own the company's?
Do you count Lamborghinis as Volkswagons? and then Volkswagons as Audi's? tecnically sure, but the companys each get their own affiliation, and arent all called German, are they? are Lamborghini's not Italian? I certainly consider them to be... there's a line between Intelligent thinking, and being argumentitive jokingly, and then being an ass about it... guess which was done here?
60 American cars, thats my count
If you have a better definition, post what it is, and how many cars are in it, if you can't make up your mind,(since you've never said what you'd like to count, specificly) then don't tell other people how to count them, or what to consider.
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Disturbed07
Who actually seems to be our arrogant smartass ?
How poor is it to define yourself through some questionable IQ test anyway ?
However, why are you so upset ? This is a forum meant for discussion. You try to be the ultimate winner, and others have to prove that your are totally wrong before you accept, that there are different views, opinions and possibilities to approach a certain topic/question ? Your way of defining American cars is one possibility, and others in this thread showed you, that things look different from another point of view. They are just as right or wrong as you are, so get over it. Just accept it, there is no black and white when talking about multinational companies these days...
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Disturbed07
Wow, you're wrong on two counts.If you'd been reading carefully, you'd have noticed the Escort RS Cosworth Famine posted was based on a Ford Sierra chassis (the XR4Ti in the US). No other Escort used this chassis.
The European Escort was first launched in 1968, compared to 1981 for the American Escort, and they never shared a chassis as far as I know. The US Escort Famine posted is based on a Mazda 323 chassis, and is a completely different car to the European Escort.
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Disturbed07
I am using YOUR definitions. If you disagree with anything I've posted then YOU are being inconsistent - or YOUR definitions are wrong.
Disturbed07
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Disturbed07
Nissans. But close.
So Infiniti are based on Nissans, so aren't American. That also cuts out, as you know, Acura and Lexus. And the Ford Ka, Focus ST170, Focus RS, Focus Rally Car, Escort Rally Car, RS200, RS200 Rally Car, Shelby Cobra, Ford GT (and race cars), Ford GT40 (and race car), Eagle Talon, DeLorean DMC-12 and Chrysler Crossfire, all of which are either cars, or based on cars, which were not built in the USA.
And the Nike too.
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Disturbed07
Actually, yes it is. It's a Ford Sierra (which I believe made it to your shores in only the XR4i form as the Merkur XR4i) RS Cosworth floorpan with a Ford Escort body nailed to the top of it.
Furthermore, the actual Ford Escort Rally Car was built by Ford Rally, a British company. The whole car is a European product, with the chassis developed by Ford Europe, the body developed by Ford Europe, the engine developed by Cosworth (a UK company) and the rally car developed by Ford Rally.
Disturbed07
Your definitions, not mine. You say that Lexus/Infiniti/Acura should not be counted as American, as despite being manufactured in North America and being American companies, the money trail goes directly to Japan.
If YOU exclude these companies on this basis, then you must exclude Vauxhall/Opel from Europe as, despite being manufactured in Europe and being European companies, the money trail goes directly to the United States.
So by YOUR definitions, if Lexus aren't American then Vauxhall/Opel are.
The problem is that your definitions are woefully inadequate, and you just don't seem to want to accept that you CANNOT, in many cases, point to a car and say that the car is from any one country:
Disturbed07
Indeed.
You can wriggle and squirm, and blame me for being argumentative, and conduct your side of the debate with a stream of ad hominems all you want - I don't care. The fact that you only consider GM as "American" is enough for any rational person to see that you're talking tosh.
Disturbed07
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HOLY **** I've never seen a conversation go to the dogs before (edit: untill now)
everyone brings up a good point but
everyone brings up a good point but
Bottom line as long as there are cars, it will be a good game lol.Famine
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If Aussie Ford has it's own section why does Euro Ford not?
Anyway, I would like to see more 70-80s rally/touring cars and their road versions.
Anyway, I would like to see more 70-80s rally/touring cars and their road versions.
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Famine - where did I say GM was the only cars I count as American? the fact that you derived that from what I said is enough for any rational person to see you're making "tosh" up. how about that?
I asked you for you're definition, and I'm still waiting. You say you have a better definition, where is it? I don't see it...Anybody with a better definition than me, what is it? is that such a hard demand? what is it? what is it? what is it? tell me now, It's just to intense for me to bear.
Did GM design the opel's and such? wasnt opel bought by GM? assuming they were, I wouldnt count them for the same logical reason I won't count a Lamborghini as German, how about that?
Infinity's lexus's and Acura's are built IN America? are you sure? positive? how come they're not cheaper or more expensive than their Japanese counterparts then? Are you sure they're not just assembled there? or something along that line? I know they arent built in America.....
Max DC: - I'm glad you were offended by the sig, It was created specificly for YOU.
where did you get arrogant? I said cocky, not arrogant.
When did I define myself through it anyway? who said it was a poor test? I take it you tried and didnt do so hot? or did you do an internet one? Why do people talk about genious' IQ's if the test sucks so badly then?
don't playa hate, congratulate
I asked you for you're definition, and I'm still waiting. You say you have a better definition, where is it? I don't see it...Anybody with a better definition than me, what is it? is that such a hard demand? what is it? what is it? what is it? tell me now, It's just to intense for me to bear.
Did GM design the opel's and such? wasnt opel bought by GM? assuming they were, I wouldnt count them for the same logical reason I won't count a Lamborghini as German, how about that?
Infinity's lexus's and Acura's are built IN America? are you sure? positive? how come they're not cheaper or more expensive than their Japanese counterparts then? Are you sure they're not just assembled there? or something along that line? I know they arent built in America.....
Max DC: - I'm glad you were offended by the sig, It was created specificly for YOU.
where did you get arrogant? I said cocky, not arrogant.
When did I define myself through it anyway? who said it was a poor test? I take it you tried and didnt do so hot? or did you do an internet one? Why do people talk about genious' IQ's if the test sucks so badly then?
don't playa hate, congratulate
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Disturbed07
I think he meant that by your definition, any car made by a GM company is American, despite GM owning Holden (originally Australian), Vauxhall (originally from England), Saab (originally Swedish) etc.
The best definition I can come up with, assuming the company in question was originally independent, is that a car is from the same country as the manufacturer it's badged as was originally from. Apart from a few discrepancies, namely the recent demise of Daewoo and all their cars being re-badged Chevrolets, it seems to work. So far as I can tell, this is the system GT uses.
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Disturbed07
Did you read the past 20 posts ? Do we have to put an "definition:" in front of what you say"
But since you ask, here is mine :
American cars : cars that are produced* in America (exception : cars produced in America (by foreign companies), that share a platform which is developed and also runs elsewhere(label is not important), like the mercedes M-class for example ) . If the label get's changed elsewhere in the world and the car is crafted outside the US it is still an American car, if the platform is the same ( = developement is US based )( example ...dunno...but for Japan it would be the Toyota/Lexus thing)
Hmm, my definition still lacks some fine tuning, but.... your(disturbed07) definition is just too simple for such a complex question imo.
*Production = mainly developement and actual production.
Sounds a bit weird, but if I understand you correctly, you say that Opel's are German and Lambos are Italien. That'S the way I see it, too.
I might be wrong, but I think in the 60's or 70's there were Opels which were based on American GM models. Those would be American by my definition. Like Famine stated that the Escort is British for the same reason.
Taking my definition, it would not count if the Lexux XY was manufactured in Japan or the US, as long as the desing and platform was developed in Japan. If Lexus would develop a SUV in America for the American market only, it would be American imo. Apart from that example all Infinits and Lexus and Acura's would be Japanese, even if Honda/Toyota/Nissan would be sold to an American investment group.
Was I offended... well not really.... it sounds arrogant to me mixed with some complexes. The "arrogance"-impression also comes from your posts in several threads btw.
You put it into you signature for everybody to see. Like wearing an expensive watch could mean you are rich or want the others to think so. This is however just an impression by me, you are right, I should know you personally if I wanted to prove it.
IQ tests vary in quality indeed. Scientists always discuss if even the best tests really show somebody's intelligence. Why ? Because those tests focus on spceial abilities, like mathematics and the ability to think in a "logical"(definition?) way. They leave out things like social competence, the abilities to understand complex structures and meanings of texts and languages and many more things.
Not to forget the fact, that these tests can be trained, which heavily improves the outcome
The press is using those IQ standarts- so what?, and of course it shows certain abilities of a person, but what do they really mean? Ask 10 scientists and you'll get 10 different opinions.
The developement in medicine shows up new theories aswell. How was the child raised(social surroundings), what did it eat etc etc ... I could go on for long, but it is already very very offtopic, and that's why I stop here.
Just relax, just one question... what do you do with your brilliant brain ? What do you study ? Please don't tell me, that you withhold your brialliance from the world
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@Disturbed ; is your 2.2% category a vehicle purchasing demographic ?
I zertainly hope not , meh .
I zertainly hope not , meh .
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