The Vettel Challenge needs a health warning for DS3 users.

[Hastatus]

People complain the game is too easy and now they complain it is too hard I personally like these challenges to set apart the skilled players from the less skilled ones. I have a wheel(G25), and took around 2 hours to gold the challenge. Monza was easy, but Nurburgring was a pain. Suzuka wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. Practice and you can get there. It is very hard but not impossible.

So do it with a DS3.

 

[Stephen220378]

I kind of agree with the OP, getting gold the Vettel challenge is so ridiculously out of line with every other event in the game that trying becomes pointless using a DS3. Do I think it's possible to do? well yes if you're willing to put in a lot of hours practising on each course and have the patience of a saint, personally I just settled for a silver and 2 bronze because I don't think it's worth the time and effort.

 

[Short Bus]

Poll....

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=240072

Made this because I was curious. I need a gauge to judge my true inability to play this game.

It is interesting to read that this game is so high up (at the top?) of the difficult to platinum list. Seems ridiculous.

 

[MrFish]

Clearly, it isn't impossible as some people can do it with a DS3. Therefore it must only be ability. To achieve your ultimate ability, you need to practice as much as possible. If you practice as much as possible, but still can't achieve your goal, then you have reached your "ability limit". There is nothing you can do from here - you are the best you can be, and you must accept that some people are better than you.

Put that in terms of GT5, this means is that not everybody is capable of achieving 100% completion. It's a harsh truth for some, I know.

 

[Short Bus]

Clearly, it isn't impossible as some people can do it with a DS3. Therefore it must only be ability. To achieve your ultimate ability, you need to practice as much as possible. If you practice as much as possible, but still can't achieve your goal, then you have reached your "ability limit". There is nothing you can do from here - you are the best you can be, and you must accept that some people are better than you.

Put that in terms of GT5, this means is that not everybody is capable of achieving 100% completion. It's a harsh truth for some, I know.

Alright so clearly it's possible, because people are doing it. But the question becomes... is it possible when a normal person (who isn't naturally gifted) with a life puts in a reasonable amount of effort?

This is a game where skill is involved, no matter how good you are there's going to be somebody who's better than you. But I would say that most feel that the trophy system should include more than just the best of the best, because the trophy system isn't a competition.

 

[Tidgney]

Could you give me an example of these common epicly hard trophy challenges that give the Vettel Challenge a run for it's money? According to PS3trophies dot org GT5 is perhaps the most difficult platinum of the mainstream games and for most the only thing that makes it hard is the Vettel Challenge (as time/grinding is not a legit reason). The following are the the 5 most difficult with ratings out of 10:

10.0 (9.24) Gran Turismo 5
10.0 (9.26) Super Street Fighter IV
10.0 (9.26) Street Fighter IV
10.0 (9.26) Fight Night Round 4
10.0 (9.34) Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2

Three are difficult due to fighting online human opponents and Ninja Gaiden was always hard even back on the NES.

I didn't necessarily mean Playstation games, there are many games out there that require many different types of skill and hours of practice to obtain them. I mean I've heard of some achievements/trophies/accomplishments in games which have taken hundreds of hours. It's how they are designed to keep the game going longer. If your a trophy hunter and that's your fun you will have to realise that it will inevitably cost you hours. You can't expect every challenge to be so easy. Personally if everythings so easy what's the point of buying the game? The Vettel challenge is at its correct difficulty in my eyes. You can obtain the x2010 easily, by achieving bronze. But if your after a trophy then you will have to work for it.

 

[MrFish]

But I would say that most feel that the trophy system should include more than just the best of the best, because the trophy system isn't a competition.

I wouldn't necessarily agree. I think of the trophies in GT5 as a measure of skill and ability, not an indication of who can put the most hours into the game.

You may be right, and it is harder to complete the game with a DS3, but how can that possibly be fairly represented in the trophy system? Fair, in respect of players who don't use a DS3? Using a wheel doesn't make the game easier, per se, just different in certain aspects. Drifting and rallying, for example are arguably easier with a DS3 than a wheel, as you can can get full lock to full lock quicker with a stick than the wheel. But using a wheel gives a more immersive experience. I can accept that. Some you win, some you loose. Some races are easier with a wheel, some are easier with a DS3. If you have the skill and abilty, you will be able to complete the game with the control method of your choice, and you will be rewarded with a shiny trophy.

 

[duncan77]

I have no desire to do this event. So I haven't and won't do it.

If you don't like it, then you shouldn't do it either.

 

[Hastatus]

... but how can that possibly be fairly represented in the trophy system? Fair, in respect of players who don't use a DS3? Using a wheel doesn't make the game easier, per se, just different in certain aspects. Drifting and rallying, for example are arguably easier with a DS3 than a wheel, as you can can get full lock to full lock quicker with a stick than the wheel. But using a wheel gives a more immersive experience. I can accept that. Some you win, some you loose. Some races are easier with a wheel, some are easier with a DS3. If you have the skill and abilty, you will be able to complete the game with the control method of your choice, and you will be rewarded with a shiny trophy.

Wheel users generally have access to a DS3, but DS3 users don't generally have access to a wheel.

And in the case of any race like Vettel Suzuka you could do the following:

let's say 10% out of all the wheel users gold Suzuka at 2.10.000 and only 1% of DS3 users gold Suzuka: you then slowly increase the time for DS3 users until 10% of them are able to gold the set DS3 time: i.e. the race would have equal difficulty for DS3 and wheel users. There would be a different time based on the controller you use.

But if they were to make an error and make it too easy for a DS3 user: there is always the fact that wheel users always have access to a DS3. Shouldn't PD err in favor of a control everyone has?

 

[MrFish]

Wheel users generally have access to a DS3, but DS3 users don't generally have access to a wheel.

And in the case of any race like Vettel Suzuka you could do the following:

let's say 10% out of all the wheel users gold Suzuka at 2.10.000 and only 1% of DS3 users gold Suzuka: you then slowly increase the time for DS3 users until 10% of them are able to gold the set DS3 time: i.e. the race would have equal difficulty for DS3 and wheel users. There would be a different time based on the controller you use.

But if they were to make an error and make it too easy for a DS3 user: there is always the fact that wheel users always have access to a DS3. Shouldn't PD err in favor of a control everyone has?

It's an interesting idea, but it just doesn't seem right to me. There is a target time to beat, and that should be that, irrespective of the control method. Besides, if you do it in one time trial, you have to do it in all of them. Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

Should they cater for the masses? No. In fact, without sounding elitist, I think GT5 should err in favour of wheel owners. Everything about this game is about realism and simulation, and I'm sorry, but "driving" a car with a DS3 is not realistic. And I'd wager that the majority of wheel owners would choose to use the wheel over a DS3, even if the race was "easier to win".

I guess what we're coming down to is the type of gamer. If you like to play to win, and cannot stop playing until you have absolutely beaten the game, then you may well feel hard done by, because the Vettel Challenge is easier with a particular type of controller. Especially one that is expensive. I can understand that. If, on the other hand, you simply enjoy playing the game, and don't actually mind if you win the race, let alone complete the game, you may just see the Challenge as just that - a challenge. And if you can't beat it, so be it.

 

[Will27]

If, on the other hand, you simply enjoy playing the game, and don't actually mind if you win the race, let alone complete the game, you may just see the Challenge as just that - a challenge. And if you can't beat it, so be it.

👍

For a long time, I had accepted that it was not possible for me to gold this, but then I got angry, attacked the track like a madman and got it. If they made this challenge easier, I think it would be an insult to those who are NOT aliens, but struggled their way to victory with time and perseverance. In my opinion.

 

[Stephen220378]

It's an interesting idea, but it just doesn't seem right to me. There is a target time to beat, and that should be that, irrespective of the control method. Besides, if you do it in one time trial, you have to do it in all of them. Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

Should they cater for the masses? No. In fact, without sounding elitist, I think GT5 should err in favour of wheel owners. Everything about this game is about realism and simulation, and I'm sorry, but "driving" a car with a DS3 is not realistic. And I'd wager that the majority of wheel owners would choose to use the wheel over a DS3, even if the race was "easier to win".

I guess what we're coming down to is the type of gamer. If you like to play to win, and cannot stop playing until you have absolutely beaten the game, then you may well feel hard done by, because the Vettel Challenge is easier with a particular type of controller. Especially one that is expensive. I can understand that. If, on the other hand, you simply enjoy playing the game, and don't actually mind if you win the race, let alone complete the game, you may just see the Challenge as just that - a challenge. And if you can't beat it, so be it.

Neither is using a toy wheel clamped to your table in your living room and driving a fake car on a television realistic.

 

[valhalla76]

I kind of agree with the OP, getting gold the Vettel challenge is so ridiculously out of line with every other event in the game that trying becomes pointless using a DS3. Do I think it's possible to do? well yes if you're willing to put in a lot of hours practising on each course and have the patience of a saint, personally I just settled for a silver and 2 bronze because I don't think it's worth the time and effort.

+1 👍

 

[hsh]

First of all, I don't think a so called "health warning" would make much difference... then again, this thread is turning into the "health warning" you the OP asked for....
Some people would be put off yet others would be spurred on by it... your call as to what kind of gamer you are.
If PD had the intention to make this as hard and exclusive as possible I think they succeded...fair or not!

Supposedly Vettel was the one who set the time and without knowing how tough it was going to get I just thought: Hell, if he can do it why not me
Eventhough I believe this challenge to be utterly pointless, silly and out of place in relation to the rest of the game I still decided to take it on and managed to gold every race in the Vettel-challenge with the DS3....
Was it hard? Yes.
Would I do it all over again with the DS3? Probably not!
Would I recommend going for gold? Only if you're able to deal with the frustrations along the way.

My two cents.

 

[FAH1337]

Hi, last week I had the same frustration as the OP about these challenges, as I already knew they were going to be tough because I saw my brother´s own experience before I did it, it´s his game disk and after I borrowed it. So I´ll tell mine and his experience about this. I am a pretty decent player with the pad, and I have own every single thing since the first GT with it, so when I faced the Vettel challenge I tought I could make it. And also I wouldn´t glitch a game, that´s cheating...
The first I did was Monza, took about 45 min to learn how to use the car and to gold it with the DS3 as it´s the easiest of them because you can cut the chicanes and when you do that properly it´s a piece of cake.
Then went up for the Nurburgring GP, that´s hard.. I was able to get silver after like 10 or 11 hours. But I knew that would take many time to do 2 perfect laps, as for my brother he golded it in 3 days straight only stop for eating, bath and some sleep. So I knew it would be doable but I didn´t have that much time disposal, I got an old wheel I had at home with the brake pedal broken (glued it with superglue or something), and when the car goes in a straight line the wheel is not in the center is almost 60 degreess, but in about less then 3 hours did it with a wheel is way easier to do it because it´s smoother then with the ds3.
I tried hard suzuka also with the Ds3 for several hours but only got silver and my brother also got only silver in this one as we couldn´t make 2 perfect laps, so I did it for me and him with the wheel. The first S turns are hard to do with the Ds3.

So after this I know it is DOABLE with the DS3 but it would take so much time and effort but I recognize that for a player with medium skill would take much more time to do and also patience, and many people won´t be able to do it since the lower skill for some people even with practice won´t be enough.

This thread was very helpful for me for reference times and stuff, https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=154480

Also some people wanted tips to do it, when I used with the DS3 and with much more time and practice I know the gold would come don´t give up, used the sensitive thing to 7 as the car turns faster, skid recov on, abs 1, the rest off, the driving line on is good so you are able to know when to brake but don´t use it as the game say.. take a look at the videos on the other thread, one thing that really helped me was when I knew my reference times were good and my line was almost perfect I turned everything on HUD off, just the car on the track so you can concentrate just in driving and won´t loose attention when looking for the split times if theyare OK or not. Just practice and you can make it, this is why challenges are for.. by far it´s the hardest of the game I know and it sucks you have to gold it for the platinum trophy but it´s part of the game.

 

[Hastatus]

After some 50 hours trying to gold Suzuka I gave up. I couldn't even get silver. My best time was 2.11.566. I could drive consistent 2.12s and very rarely 2.11s. So I went out and bought a wheel. Within 4 hours I was beating my DS3 times and had already obtained silver. By 6 hours I was driving consistent 2.10s and by hour seven I had golded the race with a 2.09.698.

So a year of GT5 with a DS3 golding every event in the game and some 50 hours on Suzuka alone was no match for 7 hours with a DFGT, a type of controller I have never used before.

 

[hsh]

Well done, Hastatus... congrats on achieving gold and with your new wheel:tup:
Welcome to the VC-gold-club
Actually I'm quite surprised by the amount of time you're able to make up with the wheel... a whole 2 seconds is quite a substantual margin.
I wouldn't have thought that the difference between a wheel and the DS3 would be that significant really.
Just proves that cars should be driven with a steeringwheel and not a controller.

Instead of a "health warning", an anger-management program, a thumb-protection device and a crash resistant controller should be handed to all of us mere mortal DS3-users, before attempting to gold VC

 

[Duck]

Make some search. I heard the same things one year ago: some experiences should be of your help.

 

[matt-mtb]

I completely agree, I feel that I am driving below my weight because i am DS3 user

 

[im2fst4u]

Anyone Ever tried golding the challenge in this?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003UF9BK2/?tag=gtplanet-20
I have one and it's waay better than the DS3 in all aspects for racing and it's not as expensive as a wheel. I just haven't tried that much in Vettel challenges.

 

[ussr]

I did this challenge with G27 somewhere in December 12, 2010 long time ago before any patch make this challenge soft, but even then it was not that hard. Every track has it's level of difficulty. Easies is Monza, Normal is Nurburgring, and Hardest is Suzuka.

You have to put more practice every time you change race track. After i did it just skipped to next challenge. Probably Loeb or Grand tour.

I would never attempt to play this game with DS3, just not worth it 👎

 

[shoegazer1986]

I have managed to gold pretty much everything in GT5 with a DS3, some challenges being quite challenging like first grand tour event with the Alfa Romeo, and the 'Expert Series' of the Seasonal Events. I then thought I didn't want to buy a wheel just to do this one challenge. So I am determined to complete it with a DS3. I have golded Monza, and just managed to gold Nurburgring this weekend. One more to go, and I will NEVER give up until I finish it

There is nothing like the satisfaction of finally achieving a gold on each of these!

 

[SopranoStylle]

I beat it with a ds3 you need more practice

 

[shoegazer1986]

@SopranoStylle I have barely started on suzuka. Set my first practise time of 1:07:xxx last night. I just set myself a goal of beating my previous best time in my next practise session, until I eventually get into gold territory. Thats how I did nurburgring. Would you say suzuka is more difficult? It doesnt appear to be as unforgiving as nurburgring, what with the stupid camber on the kerbs!

 

[Hastatus]

Well done, Hastatus... congrats on achieving gold and with your new wheel:tup:
Welcome to the VC-gold-club
Actually I'm quite surprised by the amount of time you're able to make up with the wheel... a whole 2 seconds is quite a substantual margin.
I wouldn't have thought that the difference between a wheel and the DS3 would be that significant really.
Just proves that cars should be driven with a steeringwheel and not a controller.

Instead of a "health warning", an anger-management program, a thumb-protection device and a crash resistant controller should be handed to all of us mere mortal DS3-users, before attempting to gold VC

Thanks. Gaining time with the wheel felt so easy. On my first silver run I actually was grinding the rails while on the grass on the left following the U-turn and I still got silver. It feels like I could afford to make more mistakes with the wheel than with a DS3.

Anyone Ever tried golding the challenge in this?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003UF9BK2/?tag=gtplanet-20
I have one and it's waay better than the DS3 in all aspects for racing and it's not as expensive as a wheel. I just haven't tried that much in Vettel challenges.

That controller looks awesome. Being able to use your thumb on truly pressure sensitive brake and acceleration buttons certainly would make things easier.

I beat it with a ds3 you need more practice

How much practice is enough? Or reasonable? It's easy enough to say more practice, but it depends on many things and how skilled that person is. I often thought that people who posted that they needed a wheel just to complete Suzuka had just not put in enough effort with a DS3. I assumed that they were kids with ADD, but after 50 hours I knew I had hit a road-block. Some people will complete this with a DS3 easily (10 hours or so?) and will think they are normal, but they might be above normal.

@SopranoStylle I have barely started on suzuka. Set my first practise time of 1:07:xxx last night. I just set myself a goal of beating my previous best time in my next practise session, until I eventually get into gold territory. Thats how I did nurburgring. Would you say suzuka is more difficult? It doesnt appear to be as unforgiving as nurburgring, what with the stupid camber on the kerbs!

Good luck. I easily did Monza and then did Nurb with reasonable effort and practice (20 hours), but Suzuka was exponentially more difficult at least for me (50 hours and no success). I could only get rare 1.05s on the first lap, most of the time getting 1.06s.

 

[Alain Prost Fan]

I tried to give it a go again after getting 1 gold and 2 silvers with the DS3. Missed gold on the Nurburgring by 0.009 secs and never got close again. I bravely gave up on it in the end.

 

[adamp93]

Another annoying thing about this challenge is that, in terms of trophies, it is on the same level as opening the data logger. Surely this warrants at least a silver trophy?

 

[shoegazer1986]

@Alain Prost Fan. Unlucky with the nurburgring time. At least you know you are in gold territory. Dont give up :-)

 

[Short Bus]

Another annoying thing about this challenge is that, in terms of trophies, it is on the same level as opening the data logger. Surely this warrants at least a silver trophy?

This is an amusing point.

 

[Alain Prost Fan]

@Alain Prost Fan. Unlucky with the nurburgring time. At least you know you are in gold territory. Dont give up :-)

Thanks.

I won't ever try it again. Firstly I'll have to get used to the physics all over again which will take a long time. And I've spent days on it, only realising afterwards I've been wasting my time. I could have been having fun on GT5.