The Vettel Challenge needs a health warning for DS3 users.

[SkylineObsession]

But you can also say the other way around:

Yes, there are numerous out there who can't complete it, but some players have have the skills to do that, which is what some of the people who can't completed it fail to understand/realise.

I understand it, but yeah - other may not. Most every time i do the Seasonal Event time trials i end up in 35,000th place or thereabouts (on average), so i'm definately not the best GT player out there.

Then again i usually only do the challenge until i get gold, and don't tune the car etc.

 

[Machate-man]

License test?

Special events>Grand tour>1st race-time trial

If this time was set by the AI, how high did they turn up the difficulty? that car is rediculously fast and I don't think that anyone other than a professional F1 driver could possibly set a time like that.

What really irks me is that the ghost takes off before you are allowed to start, and that you need to beat that time! I find it impossible to keep pace with a F1 driver's lap time starting seconds behind, let alone beating it:tdown:

 

[Skybrok]

I can't stand having to wait 13 seconds to restart! All my momentum is gone by then. 3 seconds- perfect.

I think adding 3-5 seconds to the times is realistic and fair-still very challenging yet eventually accomplishable. Also, is there not a way for the ps3 to know if your using a wheel or reg controller? The game could simply adjust the times based on what your using.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Needs a health warning PMSL, we going to get a dose of pox from playing GT5. LOL

 

[TeggD]

It's quite doable. I think people are making it out tougher than what it really is by hyping it up. Yes it's hard but practice will get you through. Use videos to learn how to shave extra milliseconds.

 

[TeggD]

Special events>Grand tour>1st race-time trial

For Eiger which I spent loads of time on... Use a brake bias of 6 and 9. makes it much easier.

 

[specv]

I think the biggest problem is, that you have to do 2 laps to make it. While the most of us are accustomed to do 1 lap time trials, 2 laps seems to be a bit to much for us. Vettel could do probably 50+ laps with the X2010 since he has also very much experience as a F1 driver. The challenge would be balanced if we'd have to go by a fly start and do only 1 lap.

 

[kj_mil]

Personally I'd be happy with just 3 bronze trophies (DS3 user as well). I've managed it on Monza and Nurbergring (after they made the times easier), but I still can't manage it on Suzuka. I also easily managed to get gold on the Seasonal Event, but I'm several seconds off bronze in the challenge. I had the opportunity (& knowledge) to glitch it in 1.10, but I'd sooner pass this legitimately than do that.

Apart from the 'Get Every Gold' & 'Platinum' trophies, and this, I have every other trophy in this game, no problem.
I'm just 45 golds and 15 silvers in the licenses though (not a 60 gold person).

 

[adamp93]

I did do it with a ds3 but they all took countless hours. Suzuka also involved a lot of extreme language
The first thing is to put the sensitivity to max, it will take a while to get used to but the car will be so much more responsive afterwards. Then learn each split one at a time, if you keep running off track you're definitely on the right lines. (Ironic pun not intended)

 

[tireguage]

I can sympathize with all DS3 users, as I am one. I've realized a long time ago that using the controller is great for most things, but it doesn't equal the true driving experience of a good wheel. I'm not saying anything + or - about PD, I'm just accepting the facts.

I've used wheels and I've done very well, but with the DS3, I have my limits. Getting all the trophies would be great, but I don't lose any sleep over it. The game is fun and that's why I play. I wish I could afford to spend the $ for a wheel. (unfortunately, knowing me, I'd buy the CSR Elite for $500) Fortunately the game is still a blast with the DS3. if it wasn't, then I'd be mad.

 

[Hastatus]

I fail to see the "Health Warning" in your claim. It is more like, as denied by "Mr Chad" of Sony, a hardware incompadibility issue.

I didn't ask Sony for a health warning. I asked for the percentage of DS3 users who are able to gold the Vettel Challenge because I think players should know what PD is looking for. I ask because 1.7% of the requirement for the Gold Standard trophy so far exceeds anything I've seen in GT5 and any other game I've ever played that it's like they are actively planning for only less than 1% of the population to get gold. If this is true then there will be many many people out of the millions who play that will not realize what is going on and think that the requirements are just like any other game and think that people who complain online are just whining kids who don't want to put in a reasonable amount of time and effort.

But you can also say the other way around:

Yes, there are numerous out there who can't complete it, but some players have have the skills to do that, which is what some of the people who can't completed it fail to understand/realise.

Personally I've ALWAYS expected that anyone who practices and really tries to get a trophy in a GAME will eventually succeed. This challenge doesn't seem like a game to me anymore. And I am not demanding that PD make the event easier (though I'd like the option to watch the lap of the ghost I'm trying to beat and would like to be able to race against my own ghost), but

I would like PD to post how many people with a DS3 (and even a wheel) are able to gold the event so I and others will be able to see the odds of being successful, especially with each piece of hardware. Are they looking for the best of the best of the best as recruitment candidates or is it like winning the lottery and you have a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting gold? This simple statistical figure would act like a health warning to many. Once you make a trophy nearly inaccesible to a huge percentage of your audience, you should at least have the decency and guts to let them know.

 

[TayTheDay]

Also, is there not a way for the ps3 to know if your using a wheel or reg controller? The game could simply adjust the times based on what your using.

The Gran Turismo site tells you what controller type people are using in the seasonal events section, it even tells you if they use the analogue stick or *cough* d-pad ...So even though this will never happen, I'm sure they could do it easily. There would be a way to glitch it posted here about an hour after the change anyway

 

[Hastatus]

The Gran Turismo site tells you what controller type people are using in the seasonal events section, it even tells you if they use the analogue stick or *cough* d-pad ...So even though this will never happen, I'm sure they could do it easily. There would be a way to glitch it posted here about an hour after the change anyway

And that is what I don't understand: with a challenge as difficult and important as the Vettel challenge: why can't PD input a patch that creates an online leaderboard of players' best times and what they used for the Vettel challenge races so we can truly see how we measure up? And I am not talking about the top 200, but everyone who has ever attempted each race.

 

[VYPA-SQUAD_Ace]

I got the Vettel X trophy with the DS3, but for me trying to get gold in all 3 so I can clear that HUGE hurdle to get to Platinum, yeah, I'm not in a rush to attempt that.

 

[Toyinster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIt-WYl4V_s

 

[TayTheDay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIt-WYl4V_s

haha I can see where PD got the idea for the new 'dynamic' chase cam

 

[SilverArrow]

I've golded all of them with DS3 but suzuka took 5 hours straight of practise and it was still only gold by like 0.02. If it was 0.02 over the time I would have probably smashed my controller.

 

[Toyinster]

For Eiger which I spent loads of time on... Use a brake bias of 6 and 9. makes it much easier.

Thanks TeggD, how do you change the brake bias in this challenge, I only see options to change driving aids (i.e. tractional control, driving line etc).

 

[Hastatus]

Thanks TeggD, how do you change the brake bias in this challenge, I only see options to change driving aids (i.e. tractional control, driving line etc).

You must activate the RA menu. Go to options and make sure one of your controller's buttons is set to activate the RA menu. Then during a race you can access the RA menu and set certain things like TC, ABS and Brake Bias. Then there is a trick I learned: if you make changes in the RA menu during a race or event, normally they would reset if you get DQ'd or set a time, but if you make the settings and immediately hit start and click restart, the settings will be permanent until you leave the event completely (i.e. return to race/event selection menus or GT Life menu). This is extremely useful for the Vettel Challenge.

 

[Toyinster]

Thank you Hastatus - see, this is why you guys are the best, thanks for sharing.

 

[Toyinster]

@ SilverArrow - very smooth! Do you have any tips, maybe setup, or like make sure you brake early here or keep your foot down through here?

 

[SilverArrow]

@ SilverArrow - very smooth! Do you have any tips, maybe setup, or like make sure you brake early here or keep your foot down through here?

I used skid recovery force, tc off, no driving line because it's off putting. Because of the slow reactions while using a controller you have to turn before you need to. During the esses you don't need to brake you just lift off of the throttle. The first right hander afterwards you can take flat and running a bit wide of the track can help you turn in faster for the next corner. That's all I remember.

 

[zedextreme8177]

My only advice, turn the steering sensitivity up to 7! It will improve the reaction from the stick to near-instantaneous 👍

 

[Short Bus]

Personally I've ALWAYS expected that anyone who practices and really tries to get a trophy in a GAME will eventually succeed. This challenge doesn't seem like a game to me anymore. And I am not demanding that PD make the event easier (though I'd like the option to watch the lap of the ghost I'm trying to beat and would like to be able to race against my own ghost), but

I would like PD to post how many people with a DS3 (and even a wheel) are able to gold the event so I and others will be able to see the odds of being successful, especially with each piece of hardware. Are they looking for the best of the best of the best as recruitment candidates or is it like winning the lottery and you have a 1 in 100,000 chance of getting gold? This simple statistical figure would act like a health warning to many. Once you make a trophy nearly inaccesible to a huge percentage of your audience, you should at least have the decency and guts to let them know.

How about making a poll? I'd be curious to read what percentage of people on the forum have managed to acquire a gold, silver, bronze, or nothing in this challenge.

 

[evilKnoxville]

Yes, there are numerous out there who can complete it, but not everyone will have the skills to do that, which is what some of the people who have completed it fail to understand/realise.

I truly believe that neither this challenge nor anything else in the virtual gaming has something to do with skill; you could perhaps refer to it as savant syndrome ...

Savant syndrome, sometimes referred to as savantism, is a rare condition in which people with developmental disorders have one or more areas of expertise, ability, or brilliance that are in contrast with the individual's overall limitations.

The question is how much time are you willing to put into this; rather more important however is the question how much time you have ... for most of us gaming (not necessarily GT5) is a hobby; quit your job, leave your wife and kids and you shall have enough time to complete anything that apparently has to be completed.

I have tried it once. Apparently, the eyes-brain-hands-controller latency is too high for me to golden this challenge.

 

[Short Bus]

I truly believe that neither this challenge nor anything else in the virtual gaming has something to do with skill; you could perhaps refer to it as savant syndrome ...


The question is how much time are you willing to put into this; rather more important however is the question how much time you have ... for most of us gaming (not necessarily GT5) is a hobby; quit your job, leave your wife and kids and you shall have enough time to complete anything that apparently has to be completed.

I have tried it once. Apparently, the eyes-brain-hands-controller latency is too high for me to golden this challenge.

lol, nice theory, if nothing else it's amusing.

 

[Tidgney]

I'd just like to add my input to this thread.

Before the sensitivity patch yes it needed doing. But now it doesn't 2:08's very easily possible on a DS3 around Suzuka, and that is by far the hardest out of the 3. I think the reason people have so much trouble is the adjustment or the ability to think so quickly. But if your aiming for a platinum you will have to put in so much effort to achieve everything, it's like any game, there is always the epicly hard challenges. Practice, and you'll succeed, ye it's frustrating to restart for the 1000th time, but when on that 1001st try you succeed its a damn good feeling..... and that's what your after in a game..... and if it's not why are you trying it? A Game should be for fun, looking for that buzz of entertainment and joy.... Not the chor of getting a trophy.

 

[NEPALII]

People complain the game is too easy and now they complain it is too hard I personally like these challenges to set apart the skilled players from the less skilled ones. I have a wheel(G25), and took around 2 hours to gold the challenge. Monza was easy, but Nurburgring was a pain. Suzuka wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. Practice and you can get there. It is very hard but not impossible.

 

[Toyinster]

It reminds me of the BMW M3 challenge around Stolkholm in the original Project Gotham, makes me want to dust of the old XBOX and attempt it one more time!

 

[Hastatus]

I'd just like to add my input to this thread.

Before the sensitivity patch yes it needed doing. But now it doesn't 2:08's very easily possible on a DS3 around Suzuka 🤬, and that is by far the hardest out of the 3. I think the reason people have so much trouble is the adjustment or the ability to think so quickly. But if your aiming for a platinum you will have to put in so much effort to achieve everything, it's like any game, there is always the epicly hard challenges. Practice, and you'll succeed, ye it's frustrating to restart for the 1000th time, but when on that 1001st try you succeed its a damn good feeling..... and that's what your after in a game..... and if it's not why are you trying it? A Game should be for fun, looking for that buzz of entertainment and joy.... Not the chor of getting a trophy.

Could you give me an example of these common epicly hard trophy challenges that give the Vettel Challenge a run for it's money? According to PS3trophies dot org GT5 is perhaps the most difficult platinum of the mainstream games and for most the only thing that makes it hard is the Vettel Challenge (as time/grinding is not a legit reason). The following are the the 5 most difficult with ratings out of 10:

10.0 (9.24) Gran Turismo 5
10.0 (9.26) Super Street Fighter IV
10.0 (9.26) Street Fighter IV
10.0 (9.26) Fight Night Round 4
10.0 (9.34) Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2

Three are difficult due to fighting online human opponents and Ninja Gaiden was always hard even back on the NES.