The Where's the Outrage Thread

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You really should stop with this. You think you making some sort of terribly clever point, but you clearly don't understand what that phrase was originally used by BLM for in the first place.



None of this comes within 100 miles of answering my questions.
Apparently BLM narrative changes daily. Kill the pigs, defund the police, which other ones will come out. But not one mention of these kids murdered. Not one. Clever point,kids getting murdered is a clever point?I got ya. As I sit here with my 8 year old grandaughter. Wow.
 
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I don't understand why would anybody support BLM at this point, bunch of racist Marxists trying to have their revolution. I don't know what they are trying to achieve except more racism.

Supporting the movement in general is not the same thing as supporting an organization that plays a roll in it. It’s kind of like how you can support the right to own guns without supporting the NRA.
 
I don't understand why would anybody support BLM at this point, bunch of racist Marxists trying to have their revolution. I don't know what they are trying to achieve except more racism.

For one thing, and this has been spelled out numerous times on this site, BLM the organization and BLM the movement are two different things. That this one woman in a leadership position in the organization holds Marxist ideas doesn't make the movement itself Marxist. Not by a long shot.

Apparently BLM narrative changes daily. Kill the pigs, defund the police, which other ones will come out. But not one mention of these kids killed. Not one. Clever point,kids getting murdered is a clever point?I got ya.

Still no closer to addressing what I asked you.
 
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I don't understand why would anybody support BLM at this point, bunch of racist Marxists trying to have their revolution. I don't know what they are trying to achieve except more racism.
Call it what you want. Its a peaceful movement evidently.
Some people should read up on history. Sounds like we learned nothing.

Uh, yes or of similar credibility, because I don't buy into a far-right media outlet who has a history of false news reporting. More so when a chairman openly once said, “We’re the platform for the alt-right”.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news/

If you feel they're a credible news-source, that has a potential to speak volumes about you as a person.

Works fine for overall reporting. Doesn't do a good job breaking down details. For instance, it has Willful, Malicious, & Accidental deaths tallied together. On Charts & Maps, "Killed or Injured" information isn't separated in detail, either. Any time I click to see if the information is expanded upon in any category, it repeatedly takes me to pages and pages and pages of individual reports. I'm not shifting through nearly 20 pages of reports to see which was a Homicide, which was a Murder, which was Unintentional, & so forth.
Right I don't want to look through reports to get the actual facts. You asked and I gave it to you. But I don't want to look at reports and facts to form an actual factual opinion.
 
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Call it what you want. Its a peaceful movement evidently.
Some people should read up on history. Sounds like we learned nothing.
The irony is simply astounding, as it has been every day for the last 6 months from right-wing view points. "Read up on history". "We learned nothing" - perfect examples of a person who repeatedly doesn't read up on information given to him (BLM organization is not the same as the BLM movement) & as a result, learns nothing (continues to assume every BLM supporter is a Marxist, violent, rioter).
Right I don't want to look through reports to get the actual facts. You asked and I gave it to you. But I don't want to look at reports and facts to form an actual factual opinion.
No, what you've done is present me a pile of hay & asked me to find the needle you claim is in it.

You're making claims, you present the needle.
 
The irony is simply astounding, as it has been every day for the last 6 months from right-wing view points. "Read up on history". "We learned nothing" - perfect examples of a person who repeatedly doesn't read up on information given to him (BLM organization is not the same as the BLM movement) & as a result, learns nothing (continues to assume every BLM supporter is a Marxist, violent, rioter).

No, what you've done is present me a pile of hay & asked me to find the needle you claim is in it.

You're making claims, you present the needle.
BLM isn't BLM? So explain to me which one is blocking hospitals,calling death to pigs and other peacefull things? I'm waiting. Now go find me the needle in the haystack of what BLM is! I'm not reading up.Which BLM narrative should I read up on? What like the person I gave facts too that can't be bothered reading 20 pages? Yeah I completely understand that now!
 
BLM isn't BLM? So explain to me which one is blocking hospitals,calling death to pigs and other peacefull things? I'm waiting. Now go find me the needle in the haystack of what BLM is!
The organization & the movement share nothing but a name. It has already been pointed out multiple times in this forum. I have already said a lot of the movement's supporters do not associate with the organization b/c they feel it has changed its tune and/or does not fit the message they are after. One instance has been supporters calling on people to stop donating to the BLM organization b/c the money isn't going to the communities, it's going to politicians; they instead offer alternatives like the NAACP.

The people blocking hospitals & chanting death to pigs are extremists. Every group has them, most groups try to put distance between them. The issue is folks such as yourself ignore those folks and throw everyone in together. It'd be the same as me assuming all Compton police are scum b/c it came out last month it had some rogue officers, even though I don't see any way a rookie cop & a Hispanic mom-of-two actually fit the description of that group.

There's your needle.
 
Here's Mitt Romney, a man who's not known for his support of Marxism, marching on behalf of a cause of which an estimated 49% of the American public are currently in favour. Presumably they don’t form their views by following alt-right news sources.



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I'm referring to the linked article in @novcze's post which says it draws from a Breitbart sourced article.

Your story is a year old, how relevant is it to what I posted? Does it invalidate Mitt's or the 49%'s views?
No it implies a Privaledged White Racist Prime Minister runs my Country! Need I say more?
 
No it implies a Privaleged White Racist Prime Minister runs my Country! Need I say more?
I get it. It's another outrage tangent (that's a year old). Seems to be plenty of outrage over it according to the article. Guess it's up to you to vote him out if you don't like him.

*backs out of room nervously*
 
I get it. It's another outrage tangent (that's a year old). Seems to be plenty of outrage over it according to the article. Guess it's up to you to vote him out if you don't like him.

*backs out of room nervously*
So you think its ok what he did? Hides in shame as I back out the door.
 
@killerjimbag Again, I get that you are very passionate about things but there's no need for the hostile tone when people are just trying to have an intellectual discussion with you.
 
So you think its ok what he did? Hides in shame as I back out the door.
Keep burning those strawmen. I don't have anything to be ashamed about. I only came here to defend people who believe that black lives matter.

Canada's not my country as you keep reminding me and I have my own prime minister to be ashamed of. If Trudeau's a hypocrite then he deserves what he gets at the ballot box.
 
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Keep burning those strawmen. I don't have anything to be ashamed about. I only came here to defend people who believe that black lives matter.

Canada's not my country as you keep reminding me and I have my own prime minister to be ashamed of. If Trudeau's a hypocrite then he deserves what he gets at the ballot box.
Unfortunately the Liberals of this country elected him. Strawman,is that the only comment that you type. This white,prevaleged,trust fund idiot,who clearly is portrayed as "blackface" not once but twice gets a pass in your strawman analogy? Really it's not your Prime Minister. This is a world leader and he gets a pass? LOL. Incredible. Yeah he doesn't fit the BLM narrative . Oh my God.
 
Unfortunately the Liberals of this country elected him. Strawman,is that the only comment that you type. This white,prevaleged,trust fund idiot,who clearly is portrayed as "blackface" not once but twice gets a pass in your strawman analogy? Really it's not your Prime Minister. This is a world leader and he gets a pass? LOL. Incredible. Yeah he doesn't fit the BLM narrative . Oh my God.
I don't know why you ignore everyone else's posts and only seem to want to attack mine. Perhaps the UK in my username triggers you or something. But let me break it down for you. A strawman is when you post something I didn't say and attempt to get me to argue against it as if I'd said it.

I get it. It's another outrage tangent (that's a year old). Seems to be plenty of outrage over it according to the article. Guess it's up to you to vote him out if you don't like him.
So you think its ok what he did?

This is a strawman. I'm not giving Justin Trudeau a pass. What do you want me to say? Do you expect me to fly over to Canada and beat his door down as if he had anything at all to do with the Black Lives Matter movement you hate? That was after all your solution for defunding the police.

My advice is to quit harassing me like some crazy stalker (and perhaps learn to use autocorrect). Quit putting words in people's mouths. Try engaging with someone else's posts besides mine once in a while. It's unhealthy, man.
 
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I don't know why you ignore everyone else's posts and only seem to want to attack mine. Perhaps the UK in my username triggers you or sonething. But let me break it down for you. A strawman is when you post something I didn't say and attempt to get me to argue against it as if I'd said it.




This is a strawman. I'm not giving Justin Trudeau a pass. What do you want me to say? Do you expect me to fly over to Canada and beat his door down as if he had anything at all to do with the Black Lives Matter movement you hate? That was after all your solution for defunding the police.

My advice is to quit harassing me and perhaps learn to use autocorrect. Quit putting words in people's mouths. Try engaging with someone else's posts besides mine once in a while. It's unhealthy, man.
And thats all folks!
 
I'm referring to the linked article in @novcze's post which says it draws from a Breitbart sourced article.

Does it negate what she said about herself?

As for support for BLM "movement", I think it's based on poorly informed opinions, typical jumping to conclusion about systemic racism or what not, because people don't know all the details about situations in which people got shot.
Yeah of course even the police make mistakes, nobody denies that.
 
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@UKMikey so people are protesting "police brutality" for months, because study about Massachusetts Criminal system released in September 2020 which doesn't prove systemic rasism, because system is not designed to be racist, if anything it's only about racism.

Some quotes:

"It is important to emphasize that our data measures only contact with the criminal system and not crimes actually committed. Law enforcement resources are deployed in certain areas and populations more than others, and this can influence whether unlawful conduct results in contact with the formal criminal justice system. This report analyzes only what happens to cases once they are initiated. It does not address or explain disparities in the pipeline that leads to contact with the criminal system."

"Despite facing more serious initial charges, however, Black and Latinx defendants in Superior Court are convicted of offenses roughly equal in seriousness to their White counterparts."

"We cannot say conclusively the extent to which differences in initial charge severity across racial groups reflect police and prosecutor discretion vs. differences in defendants’ conduct."

"The data analyzed below do not allow us to conclusively isolate the impact of unconscious bias, prejudice, and racism in generating the disparities we document."
 
Do you mind providing the link to your source of information?
Its the original paper, which can be found here...

http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf

...and is quote mined to hell and back to present a different view than the one the full conclusion actually holds. Here it is in full.

Conclusion
Our analysis indicates that the large aggregate disparities in incarceration sentences across race are concentrated among the most serious cases. According to our regression results, they are largely explained by differences in initial charge severity. Black and Latinx defendants tend to face more serious initial charges that are more likely to carry a mandatory or statutory minimum sentence. Despite facing more serious initial charges, however, Black and Latinx defendants in Superior Court are convicted of offenses roughly equal in seriousness to their White counterparts. As shown in Tables 15 and 16, Black defendants in particular who are sentenced to incarceration in the DOC are convicted of less severe crimes on average than White defendants despite facing more serious initial charges.

We cannot say conclusively the extent to which differences in initial charge severity across racial groups reflect police and prosecutor discretion vs. differences in defendants’ conduct. The lack of racial disparity in conviction offense severity and conviction rates among the cases that drive the overall disparity, however, does not support the interpretation that differences in the severity of criminal conduct across races alone can explain the substantial racial disparities in incarceration sentences. Further, the penalty in incarceration length is largest for drug and weapons charges, offenses that carry longstanding racialized stigmas. We believe that this evidence is consistent with racially disparate initial charging practices leading to weaker initial positions in the plea bargaining process for Black defendants, which then translate into longer incarceration sentences for similar offense
 
...and is quote mined to hell and back to present a different view than the one the full conclusion actually holds. Here it is in full.
That's what I was afraid of. That's just straight up changing facts and lying to the forum. Gotta be some kind of offense there. Most things these guys come up with are from right-biased media but this is something else.

Edit: It's near the top of the AUP:

  • You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate.
 
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...and is quote mined to hell and back to present a different view than the one the full conclusion actually holds.

What different view? Does the study proving systemic racism as link posted by @UKMikey suggest or is it about racism of individuals in the system?
I actually think this study is well made, because they are aware of certain things and I qouted them.
 
What different view?
Hold on you get to it in just a second....


or is it about racism of individuals in the system?
...and there we go.

Does the study proving systemic racism as link posted by @UKMikey suggest
Why yes it does, the full conclusion quite clearly shows that, in particular the last paragraph, in which they explain that other factors are not able to explain the findings.

You also seem to have missed sections such as:

"Thus, both national and Massachusetts-specific studies find substantial racial disparities in policing practices, suggesting that our results based on available data following the filing of charges may underestimate the true magnitude of racial disparities in the Massachusetts criminal justice system."

or this

"Research shows that police officers stop, search, and arrest more Black and Brown people than White people.22 One nationwide study of nearly 100 million traffic stops found that police stop Black drivers more frequently than White drivers.23 That study also found that the disparity substantially decreases after dark, which makes explanations other than racial bias, such as differences in driving conduct, unlikely.2"

or this

"Figure 8 shows the distribution of offense level of the governing offense by race. It does not include every charge in the case. It includes only the governing offense, which is the most serious charge. For example, in 63% of the cases brought against White defendants, the 21 most serious charge is of one of the three lowest offense levels and in .8% of the cases it is of one of the three highest offense levels. Whereas in 55% of the cases brought against Black defendants, the most serious charge is of one of the three lowest offense levels and in 1.8% of cases it is one of the three highest offense levels. Figure 8 shows that overall, Black and Latinx defendants are more likely to be charged with higher severity offenses."

I can keep going, but the end result will be simply quoting the vast majority of a report that shows that at every stage of the judicial process a racial bias exists, when it's that widespread in terms of scale and scope we have a term to explain it, its call 'systemic racism'!


I actually think this study is well made, because they are aware of certain things and I qouted them.
No, you quote mined it in an attempt to reduce the actual scale and impact of its findings, doing so is dishonest.

In every example you quote, you have excluded additional information that adds context and changes meaning, two are covered in the conclusion I have quoted in full. The third one you quoted...

"The data analyzed below do not allow us to conclusively isolate the impact of unconscious bias, prejudice, and racism in generating the disparities we document. "

..which in isolation would seem to support a claim of it not being systemic, however, you didn't quote the very next sentence, which reads...

"We supplement our data analysis with additional research from across the country where relevant and a review of the history of racial disparities in criminal justice more broadly (see Appendix 1) to provide context and insight into possible explanations for the disparities we document."

...and covers the material, research and findings that do support a claim of it being systematic.

In other words, you have, not once, but on three separate occasions, selectively quoted material out of context.

I will be blunt, I do not believe you have done this accidentally.
 
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Hold on you get to it in just a second....



...and there we go.


Why yes it does, the full conclusion quite clearly shows that, in particular the last paragraph, in which they explain that other factors are not able to explain the findings.

You also seem to have missed sections such as:

"Thus, both national and Massachusetts-specific studies find substantial racial disparities in policing practices, suggesting that our results based on available data following the filing of charges may underestimate the true magnitude of racial disparities in the Massachusetts criminal justice system."

or this

"Research shows that police officers stop, search, and arrest more Black and Brown people than White people.22 One nationwide study of nearly 100 million traffic stops found that police stop Black drivers more frequently than White drivers.23 That study also found that the disparity substantially decreases after dark, which makes explanations other than racial bias, such as differences in driving conduct, unlikely.2"

or this

"Figure 8 shows the distribution of offense level of the governing offense by race. It does not include every charge in the case. It includes only the governing offense, which is the most serious charge. For example, in 63% of the cases brought against White defendants, the 21 most serious charge is of one of the three lowest offense levels and in .8% of the cases it is of one of the three highest offense levels. Whereas in 55% of the cases brought against Black defendants, the most serious charge is of one of the three lowest offense levels and in 1.8% of cases it is one of the three highest offense levels. Figure 8 shows that overall, Black and Latinx defendants are more likely to be charged with higher severity offenses."

I can keep going, but the end result will be simply quoting the vast majority of a report that shows that at every stage of the judicial process a racial bias exists, when it's that widespread in terms of scale and scope we have a term to explain it, its call 'systemic racism'!



No, you quote mined it in an attempt to reduce the actual scale and impact of its findings, doing so is dishonest.

In every example you quote, you have excluded additional information that adds context and changes meaning, two are covered in the conclusion I have quoted in full. The third one you quoted...

"The data analyzed below do not allow us to conclusively isolate the impact of unconscious bias, prejudice, and racism in generating the disparities we document. "

..which in isolation would seem to support a claim of it not being systemic, however, you didn't quote the very next sentence, which reads...

"We supplement our data analysis with additional research from across the country where relevant and a review of the history of racial disparities in criminal justice more broadly (see Appendix 1) to provide context and insight into possible explanations for the disparities we document."

...and covers the material, research and findings that do support a claim of it being systematic.

In other words, you have, not once, but on three separate occasions, selectively quoted material out of context.

I will be blunt, I do not believe you have done this accidentally.
This is just sad...
 
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