The Worst Car in GT4

[ShadowSports]

I entered the lowest-powered Zonda into the All Japan GT not long ago, and actually had to disqualify myself because the car was out-handling everyone else in those corners

For me, Personally the Pagani Zonda handle's amazing. The Cornering is so smoothe and the Acceleration so intense. It is one of the few car's that when taken to the edge I feel completey in control. Then I feel unstoppable anytime I hear the roar of it.

 

[DK]

The worst car i've ever driven is the Pagani Zonda. (all three of them(not the race car)) they have no handling, no accelaration, no breaking, no nothing. I used it as a bumper car and had more then then actualy racing.

You've obviously been driving it wrong.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I think Silvercast's problem is he likes to drive the Pagani as a 'bumper car'. It doesn't make a very good bumper car...that's what the trucks (Dodge Ram, Ford F150, etc) are for. har har

 

[Remy Zero]

I do feel the Pagani tend to be heavy, difficult to turn in, and takes ages to stop. But then again, it all depends on the tyres.

 

[Giygas]

I'm not a huge fan of the Zonda either. The huge price doesn't help out either.

 

[Seismica]

I'm not a huge fan of the Zonda either. The huge price doesn't help out either.

I agree completely. You can get much more for your money. Zondas arn't particularly bad, but they arn't very good either. I don't know if they're just portrayed bad in the game, but they just don't seem to perform well.

Having said that, I remember doing a Top Gear style lap board at Twin Ring Motegi, and the Zonda 7.3 came near top for road cars/ But that was back when I used driving aids

 

[niky]

Even with driving aids turned off, the Zonda is close to the top for road-going cars... only beaten by a few concepts and tuner cars with more power and active downforce.

I wonder how often I have to repeat the tirade? What do you guys expect from road cars (Zonda, Saleen, Ford GT) that don't have active downforce? Even though these cars have wings, they don't have a tenth of the downforce of the tuner cars and race cars in the game... and the driving reflects this.

They only "feel" bad if you're not paying attention to the speeds you're going. A Zonda can achieve higher speeds on the straight and much higher cornering speeds than most road cars. If it feels like there's too much understeer and too little braking, that's because you're going twice as fast as you think you are entering a corner and are locking up the brakes.

 

[Seismica]

Even with driving aids turned off, the Zonda is close to the top for road-going cars... only beaten by a few concepts and tuner cars with more power and active downforce.

I wonder how often I have to repeat the tirade? What do you guys expect from road cars (Zonda, Saleen, Ford GT) that don't have active downforce? Even though these cars have wings, they don't have a tenth of the downforce of the tuner cars and race cars in the game... and the driving reflects this.

They only "feel" bad if you're not paying attention to the speeds you're going. A Zonda can achieve higher speeds on the straight and much higher cornering speeds than most road cars. If it feels like there's too much understeer and too little braking, that's because you're going twice as fast as you think you are entering a corner and are locking up the brakes.

Indeed. They are one of the best road cars in the game, but only when stock. But You can buy a cheap sports car like a 350z or an Evo, add a turbo onto, and it will handle the power better than the Zonda can without any other modifications (And for a small fraction of the cost too). I should do a test to see if this theory works, but i'm fairly confident it does. *Note to self, test this theory*

 

[Giygas]

I wonder how often I have to repeat the tirade? What do you guys expect from road cars (Zonda, Saleen, Ford GT) that don't have active downforce?

What do you want us to expect? After hearing reviews in real life for these cars, we should expect rather great things, with GT4 being a driving simulator and all.

 

[niky]

Indeed. They are one of the best road cars in the game, but only when stock. But You can buy a cheap sports car like a 350z or an Evo, add a turbo onto, and it will handle the power better than the Zonda can without any other modifications (And for a small fraction of the cost too). I should do a test to see if this theory works, but i'm fairly confident it does. *Note to self, test this theory*

On stock tires with a stock suspension at the same power and weight? No. At least from my experience, this is what I'd expect. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

One advantage for the 350Z would be that it has more natural understeer built into it, but it won't have the same traction and agility as the Zonda.

What do you want us to expect? After hearing reviews in real life for these cars, we should expect rather great things, with GT4 being a driving simulator and all.

Reviews based on driving them on the road. Supercars are often tricky to drive on the racetrack at 10/10ths. They're twitchy, have very little downforce (wonder how many times I've said that already...) and often have trouble putting down their power cleanly.

Take GT5P. The higher powered cars in the game, aside from the Nissan GT-R, are incredibly difficult to drive on the racetrack... to the point that the "tuned" versions of some of the lower-powered cars are a better choice for races... simply because you can get more grip and downforce with them.

The big issue with GT4 is the lack of visceral feedback. You are always going faster than you expect with a supercar. If you ghost-race yourself in a slower car, you'll realize that you're often going 20-40 mph faster into corners than you think you are. It's unfair to compare supercars to racecars, because racecars naturally come with grippier tires, better brakes and (again) active downforce.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Reviews based on driving them on the road. Supercars are often tricky to drive on the racetrack at 10/10ths. They're twitchy, have very little downforce (wonder how many times I've said that already...)

The S7's shape was designed for optimal aerodynamics, drag-to-lift ratio and extreme down force. At the speed of 160 mph the Saleen S7 produces its own weight in downforce and could theoretically be driven upside down and still stay attached to the road.

I got that quote from the website below, but there are dozens of others which say the same thing.

http://www.s7tt.info/


I'll agree such cars would start becoming 'twitchy' and display plenty of tricky behavior at speed, but PD got the front-end behavior of these cars wrong in GT4. What happens (especially with the S7) is this huge wall of understeer that starts showing up, even while the car is at 70 mph (where downforce should be starting to generate). Such understeer only gets worse and worse as speed rises. The Pagani Zonda isn't as bad as the S7 in my opinion.

 

[SHAUN09]

full tuning these supercars ends up with lots of oversteer.

 

[Spec M]

The Zonda was pretty much the most useful Supercar in my garage.

 

[sennarose88]

I do feel the Pagani tend to be heavy, difficult to turn in, and takes ages to stop. But then again, it all depends on the tyres.

Then compare it to Cizeta V16T. Heavier, more difficult and takes at least one century to stop.

 

[GeeTeeR]

Then compare it to Cizeta V16T. Heavier, more difficult and takes at least one century to stop.

It can stop ???!!!!

 

[SHAUN09]

has anyone come up with a coclusion to which is the worst car in GT4

 

[Seismica]

has anyone come up with a coclusion to which is the worst car in GT4

You can count up the posts in this thread if you want 💡

I think the general consensus is it's the Cizeta V16. Thats the impression I get from scanning this thread.

 

[jagenigma]

Panoz Esperante GTR-1. A complete rip off at 4,500,000cr. The acceleration is bad for a race car, the tyres wear out quickly (even super hard), the top speed is low, and it looks damn ugly.

If you drive this one in GTPSP it still has the same characteristics except for the fact that it is a torque monster in the game. It could do a burnout. Never thought it would be capable of that.
If you want a higher speed out of it in GT4, just tune it. That's why the suspension and gear ratios are tunable, Some advice i have, Turn off the ASM assist. just drive with TCS. set it to around 3 to 5 and the esperante should drive better

 

[Giygas]

Can't fix it being ugly

Actually, i used to like the way it looks as a young boy. Can't wait to see the real life version.

Maybe we should just scan the thread and come up with a poll to vote on the worst car. It's just an idea.

 

[SHAUN09]

Can't fix it being ugly

Actually, i used to like the way it looks as a young boy. Can't wait to see the real life version.

Maybe we should just scan the thread and come up with a poll to vote on the worst car. It's just an idea.

that is a brilliant idea

 

[Giygas]

I do not like the Mugen S2000. It handles only a smidge better than the standard s2000, but i could better with a sports suspension for a fraction of the cost.

It's the same thing with the 350z gt4 edition and the nismo concept by gt, also with the Bmw m3 csl and the m3 gtr. i could probably find other examples, too.

 

[jagenigma]

I like the Cizeta. You all just hate it because you can't handle it. cuz you all don't like a challenge..... If any car in gt4 is the worst it has to be the mazda lantis. It understeers at every corner and it is very slow Definitely not the car to be using ever

 

[Seismica]

I like the Cizeta. You all just hate it because you can't handle it. cuz you all don't like a challenge.....

Can you find a 200 point race this car can win? I'll give you a cookie.

 

[Austin343]

I like the Cizeta, too. It actually handles pretty nicely - at any rate, it's interesting to drive - and its stopping distance is fairly realistic, unlike almost all GT4 cars. It's also one of the best sounding cars in the game, IMO.

Seismica, I read your post and couldn't resist. I took the car bone-stock, including leaving on the stock Sports Medium tires, to the Dream Car Championship race at Test Course, and fairly easily beat a field that included both Ford GT LMs (two of the fastest cars in the AI "pool") for 200 points. I then added a supercharger (804 HP, if I recall correctly) and a fully customizable transmission and entered Like the Wind, beating a Toyota GT-ONE after appropriately timing a pass in the last corner. I'm confident that with some finagling of the lineup to include only the slower cars in the Dream Car race (no Fords or Zondas) and only slow cars or cars that pit in Like the Wind, both races can be won with the same basic modifications that I used in addition to N2 tires (or even N1s), which provide what I believe to be realistic grip for this car.

And yes, I know what you meant. This car has no chance whatsoever in a "normal" race for 200 points because it isn't blessed with enormous amounts of grip. On second thought, though, it's conceivable that it might be able to win the Dream Car race at La Sarthe II against the right lineup (one that allows the use of relatively soft racing tires). I'll investigate that now.

Edit: I just won that Dream Car race for 200 points against a field including both Ford GTs, the GT-R, the RX-8, and the XJ220. I used NA1, R2 tires, racing brakes, and a fully customizable transmission, and it was nearly a completely clean race. I always kept two tires on the track (counting the dusty tarmac areas as off-limits), and I made no AI contact, save for when the GT LM Spec II ran into me in the first Porsche Curve on lap 1 on his way past. There's no question that it could be won more cleanly against a somewhat better lineup; this one had the GT LM Spec II starting in first place, and the Mazda and the Jaguar drag down the points. The ability to use R3 tires would definitely simplify the race, even if a little bit of ballast turned out to be necessary.

 

[senamic]

I have always liked the Cizeta, I find it is like the Speed 12, you need to underestimate your cornering speeds because it feels like it is going slower than it actually is.

Then again, I am strange. I don't like the S7.

 

[Giygas]

Yeah, well I'm not a big fan of the S7 either, considering I've owned 3 (one i never drove, the other i sold on accident, the 3rd i did drive but didn't like)

I don't want to feel like I'm going slower than i actually am, so I've been avoiding some of the faster super cars. I get more of a thrill driving a 600 horsepower Rx-7 than a Ford Gt.

 

[Remy Zero]

Yeah, well I'm not a big fan of the S7 either, considering I've owned 3 (one i never drove, the other i sold on accident, the 3rd i did drive but didn't like)

I don't want to feel like I'm going slower than i actually am, so I've been avoiding some of the faster super cars. I get more of a thrill driving a 600 horsepower Rx-7 than a Ford Gt.

I took the S7 for the World Circuit tour yesterday. Although i finished last, i tested the S7, and the also the SLR. The S7 is so much more fun to drive, the rear is a bit twitchy, and the gearbox is much better than the SLR.

All done 100% in stock.

 

[Lucas]

Can you find a 200 point race this car can win? I'll give you a cookie.

The challenge is in the driving. Besides, 200 point races mean nothing. You can do quite a few with the Dodge Ram. I'd hardly call most of those races a challenge with that car.

 

[GTsail]

The challenge is in the driving. Besides, 200 point races mean nothing. You can do quite a few with the Dodge Ram. I'd hardly call most of those races a challenge with that car.

Lucas -
I think you missed the point of what Seismica was saying.

Except for a few glitch cars (like the Dodge Ram and the Suzuki GSX R4), normally a 200 point win is a decent way to measure how tough a race is as long as no wall-riding, car bashing or chicane cutting was involved. As has been said many times, we know that 200 point wins don't completely tell the full story, but its what the game gives us as a measurement.

So if the Cizeta can win a 200 point race somewhere, then it should be given some props for being somewhat useful.

We will have to discount Austin343's win using a Cizeta since he would be able to win using a three-wheeled shopping cart!

IMO the problem is that GT4 values the Cizeta with more (Wild Cobra) points than it should in comparison to other cars in the game. This means that the Cizeta struggles to win against other cars. The fix to this would either be to value it lower, or make it handle better. Since we can't change the game and must use what we are given, then the Cizeta is one of the less useful cars in the game.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Seismica]

I like the Cizeta, too. It actually handles pretty nicely - at any rate, it's interesting to drive - and its stopping distance is fairly realistic, unlike almost all GT4 cars. It's also one of the best sounding cars in the game, IMO.

Seismica, I read your post and couldn't resist. I took the car bone-stock, including leaving on the stock Sports Medium tires, to the Dream Car Championship race at Test Course, and fairly easily beat a field that included both Ford GT LMs (two of the fastest cars in the AI "pool") for 200 points. I then added a supercharger (804 HP, if I recall correctly) and a fully customizable transmission and entered Like the Wind, beating a Toyota GT-ONE after appropriately timing a pass in the last corner. I'm confident that with some finagling of the lineup to include only the slower cars in the Dream Car race (no Fords or Zondas) and only slow cars or cars that pit in Like the Wind, both races can be won with the same basic modifications that I used in addition to N2 tires (or even N1s), which provide what I believe to be realistic grip for this car.

And yes, I know what you meant. This car has no chance whatsoever in a "normal" race for 200 points because it isn't blessed with enormous amounts of grip. On second thought, though, it's conceivable that it might be able to win the Dream Car race at La Sarthe II against the right lineup (one that allows the use of relatively soft racing tires). I'll investigate that now.

Edit: I just won that Dream Car race for 200 points against a field including both Ford GTs, the GT-R, the RX-8, and the XJ220. I used NA1, R2 tires, racing brakes, and a fully customizable transmission, and it was nearly a completely clean race. I always kept two tires on the track (counting the dusty tarmac areas as off-limits), and I made no AI contact, save for when the GT LM Spec II ran into me in the first Porsche Curve on lap 1 on his way past. There's no question that it could be won more cleanly against a somewhat better lineup; this one had the GT LM Spec II starting in first place, and the Mazda and the Jaguar drag down the points. The ability to use R3 tires would definitely simplify the race, even if a little bit of ballast turned out to be necessary.

Now that i'm finished my 24 hour race, I think i'll have a go at driving the Cizeta properly. To be honest, no car is truly hard to drive in this game once you get used to them. This is one of the worst of the 'good' cars in the game.

Some of the really slow road cars aren't even worth bothering with, i.e. cars that struggle in the Lightweight K cup without upgrades.