This is what Obamacare is going to do to our lives
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Danoff
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Did you seriously just claim that I made that up? WTH?
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/09/data-entry-emrs-doctors-slow-adopt-information-technology.html
Danoff
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Obamacare was passed in very early 2010. It took me 5 seconds to find that, I didn't even bother reading all of it. Nowhere did I claim that you don't know what you're talking about. Explain to me that I am not, in-fact, subsidizing the conversion of medical records with billions of tax dollars to the tune of $100,000 per office. You work in the industry, please enlighten us.
Also, an apology for accusing me of lying and inventing facts would be nice.
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- Silberc
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How much do you guys need to pay for an operation on the hip, that lasts about 1,5 hours?
I paid 1800,- for the operation, + 5 days in a hospital bed and all the extras. Ehm. The insurance company paid.
(just for comparison)
80k for a around hour and a half surgery.
titanium rod in femur.
+5 days or s in the hospital.
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Slashfan
See, I find that incredible. Here in the UK, all that would have cost nothing... well, it would be paid for by taxes, but it wouldn't drive a sick person into debt just for being sick.
A friend of mine moved from the UK to the US a couple of years back. He has chronic stomach issues that require prescription medication every day. Even with his company's "really good" health insurance, it costs him about $100 a month in doctors bills and buying the medication. Here in the UK, seeing an equally proficient doctor and getting exactly the same medication would cost him.... nothing. Seeing a doctor is free and his prescription is paid for, because his condition is considered chronic. Even if he paid for his meds it'd be $12 a month.
This is the way it should work. He didn't ask to get sick, since why should it cost him thousands to stop himself getting sicker?
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For the same reason you should pay thousands to educate other people's kids or you should pay thousands to pay for roads that you never drive on or you should pay thousands for police in cities you are never going to visit... and so on and so forth. For the good of the nation and society as a whole.
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That'll be the same reason he should pay for it himself then. It'd be selfish for him not to do so if his health is good for the nation and the society.
As I said, facile reasoning. If you're going to go down that road, we didn't even ask for him to be IN our society so why should we pay for any of his wants or desires?
As I said, facile reasoning. If you're going to go down that road, we didn't even ask for him to be IN our society so why should we pay for any of his wants or desires?
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- Dennisch
Did you get to keep the rod? I still have mine, including the screws that were in the lower end of the rod.
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- Dan-F1Fan
Who would've thought that free health care would upset so many people? Oh wait, this America we're talking about, it's to be expected.
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It's not free. Of course ours isn't either, but that's the sort of attitude you get when you have a society like ours divorcing personal choice from their personal responsibilities.
Not only is it not free, it's actually more expensive than it was - and going to get more expensive. What they've done is not make it "free" to what you apparently understand by the term. They've made the system compulsory - requiring individuals to buy health insurance. If they cannot afford to buy it from the private companies who are all competing for business and thus offering competitive products, they have to buy it from the state - government of course being renowned for its quality and efficiency of service in all fields. This then gives the private companies a baseline price and quality that they don't have to beat - so they can charge more and deliver less, making the same level of coverage more expensive than before or the same cost of coverage a worse level than before.
Who would have thought that misrepresenting a situation through a lack of understanding of it and then using that to denigrate an entire nation for no particular or productive reason would be... oh, wait.
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Does he save more in fuel bills?
Joel
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I know a guy, his car broke down and now he has no way to get to work. Why should he have to pay for it, he didn't ask for his water heater to break down. I know a guy, his water heater broke, and now he has no hot water, he didn't ask for his car to break down. I know a guy, his roof got damaged in a storm, he didn't ask for that, why should he have to pay for his roof to get fixed?
See how that works?
See how that works?
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- Chrunch_Houston
On the upside the small restaurant company I work for will be hiring more people.
On the downside, we are hiring people to cover the shifts of people that we are cutting back to fewer than 30 hours a week.
Obamacare is forcing us to be an employer of only part time employees. It is a damn shame that so many of our long time employee’s are going to lose so much of their incomes.
It is the employer mandate that is killing this countries economy.
On the downside, we are hiring people to cover the shifts of people that we are cutting back to fewer than 30 hours a week.
Obamacare is forcing us to be an employer of only part time employees. It is a damn shame that so many of our long time employee’s are going to lose so much of their incomes.
It is the employer mandate that is killing this countries economy.
arora
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Being selfish alone does not hurt the country, what hurts the country is weak politicians that allow the insurance sector to write the laws in their favor. This is a government created problem and now you seem to think they are the ones that are going to fix it with an unconstitutional mandate? Which btw, continues allowing the insurance companies to keep plugging away in an ill fashion?
Obamacare is a horrible idea.
Obamacare is a horrible idea.
Yes, of course being selfish doesn't hurt the country. I mean, all those jobs that are being shipped overseas to make more money for the CEOs-that isn't being selfish. All those companies that pay their workers as little as possible, time shifts so that they don't get lunch breaks, etc-that isn't being selfish or hurting the workers at all!
I don't know if obamacare will help or not-but I don't think it's unreasonable for the government to want to not look like a dick to the rest of the world by letting millions of its citizens go around without insurance, praying that they don't get sick at all ever.
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We are not minimizing anything. We will still pay the same number of people to work each shift. We will just be paying more people who work less.
We cannot afford to pay for our employees insurance. A full time waiter makes $700 a week or more they can afford to buy their own insurance. I pay for mine, I work in the office and dont make tips.
The owners of my company, a married couple, went way out on a limb and risked everything to open their first location. Lucky for them it was a success and they were able to open a few more locations. At one time there were five locations now there are three. More often than not a new restaurant will fail.
Now those $700 a week waiters will be lucky to make $450 a week, and the individual mandate will force them to buy insurance that they would have been able to afford before obamacare, but now will struggle to pay for.
Sphinx
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If you were in the UK and I was one of your long term employees and contracted to do more hours then you are now allowing me, I would proceed with a claim for unlawful deduction of wages.
It would really be a smack in the mouth to have my hours cut and to see more staff being taken on to fill the hours that you've taken away from me. I'm guessing you guys don't see your long term employees as an asset. Time to find different job I think.
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This is not something we want to do we have to do it to survive.
In the U.S. these people will be eligible for partial unemployment insurance payments. I wont come close to covering what they will be losing though. We will have to cover the cost of this as well, but there is no way in the world we could ever afford to offer insurance to all of those employees.
arora
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Who recommended that? lol
Anyway...
The plite of the small business owner in the U.S. is something I know about. They get hammered in two ways; laws written by special interest groups that make it hard to compete with the big boys, and laws written by the wealth redistribution folks. Both equally devistating but in the end, the poor or bottom end of the society ends up loosing the most.
Sphinx
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I'm guessing the $700 per week is mainly down to the tips they get gained from working the longer hours?
If so, here's a solution;
Get together with your main competitors (who are also cutting hours) down the street and simply share employees. 20 hours at your gaff and 20 hours at theirs. The result will be the waiters get to work their normal hours, thus don't lose out, and both companies weasel their way out of their obligation, thus saving money.
It's a win win. 👍
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