This lawmaker don't the understand the economics of sports

[A2K78]

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...rld-cup-winners-paid-four-times-less-than-men

Clearly this idiot lawmaker clearly don't understand its mainly sponsors as oppose to FIFA that really decide how and athlete is compensated in terms of prize money.

 

[TenEightyOne]

This lawmaker don't the understand the economics of sports

That may need an edit.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...rld-cup-winners-paid-four-times-less-than-men

Clearly this idiot lawmaker clearly don't understand its mainly sponsors as oppose to FIFA that really decide how and athlete is compensated in terms of prize money.

I quite agree with you there.

 

[Sanji Himura]

She's [the lawmaker] also a liar. That $8 million figure comes from the fact that their men counterparts often play professionally at the club football level, often times demanding $500,000 or more salary per game if they make national teams. Women don't enjoy that luxury of playing at the club level, often times because there is no real professional opportunity for women to keep playing football for a big paycheck.

This is all a ploy on the phantom "War on Women" that the democrats like to play when a perceived slight is made to score some political points.

 

[Danoff]

Clearly this idiot lawmaker clearly don't understand its mainly sponsors as oppose to FIFA that really decide how and athlete is compensated in terms of prize money.

The men draw more viewers, as is very common with sports. I'm sure the WNBA vs the NBA would be a dramatic comparison. Women do much better as models and porn stars though, in terms of compensation. So it just depends on the subject. I'm sure women do better as gynecologists, nurses, nannys, daycare workers, maids, and talk show hosts. Men seem to be better suited for jobs as athletes, construction workers, garbage men, lumberjacks, highrise window washers, and crab fishermen.

 

[A2K78]

Just got through watching GMA this morning where they talking about this subject however I was disappointed by the comment that Michael Strahan gave in response to the issue. I say this because he of all people should already know as an athlete how compensation is doled out.

 

[Tornado]

I'm surprised they even pay the men's soccer team.

 

[Sanji Himura]

I'm surprised they even pay the men's soccer team.

World Cup =/= Olympics. The athletes that play in the World Cup (both Men and Women, but especially the men) doesn't need to be rank amateurs at the sport. They can, and should, be paid for playing for the World Cup.

As I explained in my previous post, if there is any pay disparity between men and women in World Cup football it is this, the men that are selected for these national teams also do play the game at club level, often times demanding salary that is a cool half million or more per game. The women rely on sponsorships to carry them through from one World Cup to another.

This is nothing more than a ploy to score some political points.

 

[A2K78]

You guys should read Dr. Robert P. Murphy's book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism. In it where he talks about the salary of an athlete he makes the great case for their high salaries.

That said, in the case of female world cup players vs. men the reality is that there is no strong market demand for women athletics(hence why the WNBA is failing) and why sponsors and organization are unwilling to pay females such a high salary.

Overall the backlash is really a demonstration of economically ignorant the average american. Make you even wonder why america is heading in the same hole as greece

 

[Pseudopod]

maybe more women should get interested in soccer, then.

 

[TenEightyOne]

maybe more women should get interested in soccer, then.

Why aren't they?

 

[Grayfox]

Why aren't they?

Because even if they were(which they are) they wont get the same exposure.

Sports like football, rugby, motor racing, cricket, ect. are seen as man sports and when shown on TV they are normally followed with the most expensive TV adverts as well as shown during prime time so they get seen.
Other sports get shown the next day or at late night so the exposure for women is lower.

 

[Pseudopod]

Why aren't they?

I dunno. Maybe they just aren't very interested in sports in general.

 

[TexRex]

Women do much better as models and porn stars though, in terms of compensation. So it just depends on the subject. I'm sure women do better as gynecologists, nurses, nannys, daycare workers, maids, and talk show hosts.

You sure are flying the feminist flag there aren't you?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Salaries in sports are fueled by advertising. Networks pay the various professional leagues large sums of money to broadcast the games to sell advertising. When women begin selling tickets to see games live at the same rate as men, and can attract enough tv interest to gain the large network broadcast contracts, they'll be paid the same as men.

 

[niky]

It's a shame, but it is what it is... unless you build a support system from the ground up, it's very hard to get much money into women's soccer. And in a country where the WNBA is still far, far away from doing NBA numbers... and where soccer isn't as popular as basketball, anyway...

I dunno. Maybe they just aren't very interested in sports in general.

Coming from a school where soccer and volleyball were very popular with girls... no. Girls are very interested in sports. But beyond high school, there's not much career advancement in soccer for women.

 

[Danoff]

Salaries in sports are fueled by advertising. Networks pay the various professional leagues large sums of money to broadcast the games to sell advertising. When women begin selling tickets to see games live at the same rate as men, and can attract enough tv interest to gain the large network broadcast contracts, they'll be paid the same as men.

Two places I always prefer the female version of the sport over the male version - tennis and volleyball.

 

[Pseudopod]

It's a shame, but it is what it is... unless you build a support system from the ground up, it's very hard to get much money into women's soccer. And in a country where the WNBA is still far, far away from doing NBA numbers... and where soccer isn't as popular as basketball, anyway...



Coming from a school where soccer and volleyball were very popular with girls... no. Girls are very interested in sports. But beyond high school, there's not much career advancement in soccer for women.

You're probably right. There's a fair share of female supporters at soccer games where I'm from too, now that I think about it.

 

[Swagger897]

Didn't even watch a single match this year for the Women's World Cup, but I did with some of the Men's... Mostly due to the fact I don't like how much controversy there was with one of the team members (Hope or whoever it was)...

Unless it's a mixed/unisex sport, I don't think you're gonna see much of an increase. For instance, if there was a female NASCAR, who would watch that.... seriously..? Not to say anything that women can't drive, but I'm not going to put three hours of my day aside to watch the same thing with most likely less intensity....

 

[Sanji Himura]

Unless it's a mixed/unisex sport, I don't think you're gonna see much of an increase. For instance, if there was a female NASCAR, who would watch that.... seriously..? Not to say anything that women can't drive, but I'm not going to put three hours of my day aside to watch the same thing with most likely less intensity....

That is sort of a misplaced analogy, isn't it? Nothing is really stopping women from being Nascar drivers except for the fact that there is a gross over representation of men in racing (at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite). It is logic like that there's a "war on women" to begin with, but rather than letting the private sector sort the issue out, government wants to be the solve all solution to any issue that may come up.

 

[ryzno]

If you didn't want to watch the World Cup cause of Hope Solo and her domestic violence towards her wife. You missed a lot of good games that didn't involve America.
On that same note, you shouldn't watch the NFL if domestic violence is a viewing problem, or is it something else? @Swagger897

 

[Pseudopod]

That is sort of a misplaced analogy, isn't it? Nothing is really stopping women from being Nascar drivers except for the fact that there is a gross over representation of men in racing (at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite). It is logic like that there's a "war on women" to begin with, but rather than letting the private sector sort the issue out, government wants to be the solve all solution to any issue that may come up.

Just curious, what exactly is the private sector doing to sort the issue out?

 

[Tornado]

If you didn't want to watch the World Cup cause of Hope Solo and her domestic violence towards her wife. You missed a lot of good games that didn't involve America.

This is just a guess, and he'll hopefully correct me if I am incorrect, but I would say it is a lot more likely than not that he didn't plan to watch those games that didn't involve America anyway; so the football analogy likely doesn't apply.

 

[ryzno]

This is just a guess, and he'll hopefully correct me if I am incorrect, but I would say it is a lot more likely than not that he didn't plan to watch those games that didn't involve America anyway;

I wouldn't be surprised if you are correct.

so the football analogy likely doesn't apply.

Okay take the NFL out of it and (insert any professional sport here). Considering he mentioned "Hope or whoever it was". The first thing that comes to mind is her case. There is a very good chance someone in any league that has had a domestic violence case.
You have to remember your dealing with "Alpha's" be it men or women.(not condoning her actions) but I'm just sayin though...)

But as you said correct me if I'm wrong, so, that's why I questioned if it's anything else. If it's not, he needs to rethink all professional sports(and teams) he views, if it is a problem.

 

[Tornado]

I'm not going to watch a team with Adrian Peterson or Ray Rice on it play anything, but if I'm interested in the sport anyway I'm not going to avoid it entirely just because they play in the same league.

 

[ryzno]

Isn't that kinda like double standards? You are watching a league that allows these players actions. All they get is a slap on the wrist, and move to another team if they have to.

 

[Tornado]

It's only a double standard if the circumstances are the same.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If you didn't want to watch the World Cup cause of Hope Solo and her domestic violence towards her wife. You missed a lot of good games that didn't involve America.
On that same note, you shouldn't watch the NFL if domestic violence is a viewing problem, or is it something else? @Swagger897

I watched for 2 or 3 minutes. In that time one of the competitors were involved in contact with an opposing player. She fell down and I thought she had broken her leg as she writhed in extreme pain on the pitch. The replay showed that she didn't actually make contact with the opposing player. I realized it was just like men's soccer except with women, then turned it off.

Just curious, what exactly is the private sector doing to sort the issue out?

In auto racing, they are allowing anyone with the talent and $pon$or$ship to compete in any series they want to. In any other sport, if you can draw the crowds and tv ratings, you get the big $$. I'd go so far as to say that if a woman comes along that can compete and win on the big stage, the red carpet will be laid out for her because the promotional opportunities for a female Nascar Champion probably far exceed that of a male champion, just because of the doors it will open for promoting women's products that men cannot promote. Anyone can promote motor oil or tires, but as far as I know, most of the boys aren't out promoting Lady Schick or hairspray.

 

[Pseudopod]

Never say never!

 

[Swagger897]

That is sort of a misplaced analogy, isn't it? Nothing is really stopping women from being Nascar drivers except for the fact that there is a gross over representation of men in racing (at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite). It is logic like that there's a "war on women" to begin with, but rather than letting the private sector sort the issue out, government wants to be the solve all solution to any issue that may come up.

No, I meant as if there was one out there, whatever it is, the viewership probably won't be as high as a male dominated sport.. I see what you meant, but it wasn't exactly where I was going..

If you didn't want to watch the World Cup cause of Hope Solo and her domestic violence towards her wife. You missed a lot of good games that didn't involve America.
On that same note, you shouldn't watch the NFL if domestic violence is a viewing problem, or is it something else? @Swagger897

I did catch the Germany V UK the other day, but that was the only one.
And as far as her issues, what exactly was done about it? She basically walked away scot-free, while as within the NFL, most of the recent offenses have been punished (not to the extent of my liking but something got dished out...).

This is just a guess, and he'll hopefully correct me if I am incorrect, but I would say it is a lot more likely than not that he didn't plan to watch those games that didn't involve America anyway; so the football analogy likely doesn't apply.

yeah... not really into soccer that much, but occasionally I'll watch it if it's on NBCSN or something...

But as you said correct me if I'm wrong, so, that's why I questioned if it's anything else. If it's not, he needs to rethink all professional sports(and teams) he views, if it is a problem.

Nope not really, I just don't recall reading any punishment dished out...

 

[FoolKiller]

Unless it's a mixed/unisex sport, I don't think you're gonna see much of an increase. For instance, if there was a female NASCAR, who would watch that.... seriously..? Not to say anything that women can't drive, but I'm not going to put three hours of my day aside to watch the same thing with most likely less intensity....

Just curious, what exactly is the private sector doing to sort the issue out?

In auto racing, they are allowing anyone with the talent and $pon$or$ship to compete in any series they want to. In any other sport, if you can draw the crowds and tv ratings, you get the big $$. I'd go so far as to say that if a woman comes along that can compete and win on the big stage, the red carpet will be laid out for her because the promotional opportunities for a female Nascar Champion probably far exceed that of a male champion, just because of the doors it will open for promoting women's products that men cannot promote. Anyone can promote motor oil or tires, but as far as I know, most of the boys aren't out promoting Lady Schick or hairspray.

It s like you all forgot about Danica Patrick. She is the most well-known female race driver and is currently racing in NASCAR with, last I checked, Go Daddy sponsorship. That was after a run in the IRL.

There are many other female drivers in IRL, sports car racing, there was in ALMS but I am unsure about the TUDOR series.

Then there is drag racing. They have multiple women in multiple categories. They have won multiple events. One of the most noted is Ashley Force Hood, daughter of John Force. Her first win came in 2008, against her father, preventing him from obtaining his 1000th career win. She retired from driving in 2011, as she had a child. That brings up a good point in these discussions of equal pay, as women are more likely to place their career on hold for family issues (reasons for this can be varied). In 2014 she obtained her racing license again, so what the future holds for her now is anyone's guess.



So, to answer what the private sector is doing about this in autosport: Letting them come in and compete with men head-to-head. Autosport has too many different series now. They can't afford to run a separate women's series of every type of racing.

And this isn't new. Shirley Muldowney began racing in 1958 and obtained her NHRA Pro license in 1965. She won Top Fuel championships in 1977, 1980, and 1982.


So, if Rep Maloney wants equal pay for the sexes in sports then they should compete in a single coed league.