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I'll feel a lot more confident about their commitment to ongoing support of GT5 (bug fixes, new features, etc.) once DLC (cars, parts, tracks, etc.) starts being sold in the PlayStation Store.
Thoughts on missing "on the box" features?
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I'll feel a lot more confident about their commitment to ongoing support of GT5 (bug fixes, new features, etc.) once DLC (cars, parts, tracks, etc.) starts being sold in the PlayStation Store.
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As far as I'm concerned, we need to repeat the same things as many times as it takes to get an acceptable response from PD and/or Sony as to why the game lacks features that are printed on the back of the box. Simple as that.
For what it's worth, I'm emailing them as well, but part of my motivation for starting this thread is to make it clear to them (presuming they, or someone with enough clout to pressure them, read these forums) that we haven't simply "forgotten" that there are features missing from the game.
With the general attitude towards the game on here, it is very easy to just roll over and say "oh well, maybe they'll patch it in," but as consumers we deserve better. What makes it even more troubling to me --and I don't want to get too speculative -- is that from his statements through the development process, and even now, Kaz conveys the impression that he thinks of himself as an untouchable auteur that can't be bothered with piddling concerns such as delivering the product described on its packaging. The popularity of the Gran Turismo franchise, and the fact that it generates millions of guaranteed sales, doesn't excuse misleading buyers and delivering an unfinished product. If he actually cared he would express SOME concern and goodwill over the missing content, not just "Yeah we're working on that, it'll be out at some point."
Online leaderboards and matchmaking.
Share custom tracks.
These are the only things that can possibly be up for a discussion. One of those things are going to have a patch in a few weeks (leaderboards) and another is in the info book, which means that it is in fact not false advertising and mightve been a typo. So all you have left is matchmaking, and that surely isnt the state of emergency that you are making it out to be.
I think kaz if he had his way would have been working on gt5 till the ps6 was out 
only then could he see his grand visions for the ultimate driving sim be fully realized with 500 million polys per car and 2000 cars and fully holographic displays etc etc.
He is an auteur but i do not think he is the kind that says bleep it i will get my paycheck no matter what just shovel it out the door and let the slobbering masses consume.
only then could he see his grand visions for the ultimate driving sim be fully realized with 500 million polys per car and 2000 cars and fully holographic displays etc etc. He is an auteur but i do not think he is the kind that says bleep it i will get my paycheck no matter what just shovel it out the door and let the slobbering masses consume.
I'm talking about some people on the forums that are over the rinse repeat. I think emailing PD Or post on the kaz twitter would get a better response and also probably upset a few less people. Read the post for and against. If i was a PD employe " I do work for a games company just not PD" i would not be reading the forums purely because so many comments are hurtful and not helpful in the least, trying to find the constructive critiques would be so painful. If you cant see what I'm trying to say then that's ok, this is the internet
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All I was ever talking about is leaderboards and matchmaking. Why do we have to wait "a few weeks" for one, and have no info at all about the other when they are features listed on the box? Also, you seem to be under the impression that a vague TWITTER post (in a foreign language for for most of the regions that are playing the game) about an upcoming patch excuses the fact that an advertised feature is flat out not in game. It doesn't.
For those of us that get most of the game's value from playing online, these are key features. I won't even get in to the fact that it is utterly mindblowing that they weren't the first things locked in for release.
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Also invite friends from within game (it's silly you can't invite people to your lobby) and b spec online races.
BTW 'well put it in after we've sold it' in no way invalidates false advertising unless the advertising includes such a notice that it will not be in until later.
And we have yet to see what exactly they patch in... honestly after all this I am not holding my breath that whatever they put in will really be that good or even good.
Its all over the GT academy website on every page lol. sorta obvious.
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Real time damage.. yeah right! If this was a wax museum
Atleast until it is fixed? I think it is reasonable to keep mentioning it until its fixed. If you are sick of hearing it, then join the bandwagon and hassle PD to fix it. I for one am getting sick and tired of this attitude carried by prettymuch the entire video game industry today that its fine to make outrageous claims, release a half finished product that in alot of cases doesnt even work. Then MAYBE fix it later. Tens of thousands of people are still waiting for black ops to reach a state that it is even playable on their PC's. This poor form has been adopted by the entire video game industry and its well and truely time that a regulatory head was formed to stop this happening. Just because you CAN release it today in a borken state and fix it with patches tomorrow doesnt mean you should.
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That's really the best way I can respond to that.
As I've been saying for a while now, no matter how valid the complaint, everything is constituted as "whining" these days, isn't it? It's apparent that the only accepted response amongst the core here is "OMG, GT5 is the best game ever and blows everything else completely out of the waterz, y0!"
One question I'd like to present to the individuals with this mindset is "How often do you apply chap-stick?"
Remember, people, unless it's absolutely positive....it's whining.
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chances are more than half of gt5 players will have finishes ALL the races in the offline a spec mode before most missing features are patched in. and i really dont think anybody i going to go back and play the game with all the features
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that happened with the jagua xj220, they originally promised 4wd V12 and over 220mph top speed. contracts signed, downpayments accepted, they delivered a turbo-charged v6 FR that "only" managed 217mph. many werent sold and many customers took legal action against jaguar. supposedly the unsold jaguars are in an undisclosed warehouse. as well the car was more expensive than originally agreed upon, over 100K USD more. of course they could take legal action. they could afford to buy an XJ220 during a recession.
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that is hilarious!!!
though as an "any other racing sim besides forza" fanboy i have to legally say im offended.
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Do you think we can return the game on claims of false advertising? I mean hey it's written right there all over the box. Also it would be interesting if we could get someone to threaten legal action if you can't. I would be rolling if PD got plastered all over the news for false advertising and not delivering on one of the most anticipated games of the decade. I would bet that more than a third of gamers would probably try to get their money back. And I don't blame them.
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The lack of course creator online is interesting too. Why does the manual reference it as a feature if it isn't one? Kaz's tweets on the topic make it sound like they're only just now considering adding it, so something is really wrong here.
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I've bought numerous games where features are labeled on box, but not in-game. You should check the back of all the games you buy and you'll be surprised what they advertise, but is irrelevant to the game or not even in it.
To name a few, SOCOM Confrontation (pretty much everything on back of box was missing), Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising. plus more. Seriously it happens more than you think. I'm guessing this is just a game you really care about so that's why you notice and care.
To name a few, SOCOM Confrontation (pretty much everything on back of box was missing), Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising. plus more. Seriously it happens more than you think. I'm guessing this is just a game you really care about so that's why you notice and care.
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Can't listen to custom music online. Can't have mechanical damage offline. Matchmaking? Leaderboards? Head tracking only works in Arcade. There are a host of stupid, irritating things that are making me second guess the game. Luckily the driving part is awesome, so I keep playing and I like it.
It's the simple things I don't understand. We all have a lobby but they can't put an 'invite friend' button? Custom music only offline... there is no reason I am aware of hardware or software wise that this should be the case. Probably something they could fix in an hour. Turning off the HUD? Probably another hour some programmer could've spent. Leaderboards? They're already in Prologue, just port that mechanism, what would that be - another hour or two? Maybe a day?
The mechanical damage thing is the only one I can sort of understand. It'd probably be complicated to integrate it into the single player game. Of course they had six years to do it so I think they should've been able to, but I don't think it's something another patch will fix.
But all that other stuff? Just lazy as hell and confusing as to why these stupid decisions were made.
It's the simple things I don't understand. We all have a lobby but they can't put an 'invite friend' button? Custom music only offline... there is no reason I am aware of hardware or software wise that this should be the case. Probably something they could fix in an hour. Turning off the HUD? Probably another hour some programmer could've spent. Leaderboards? They're already in Prologue, just port that mechanism, what would that be - another hour or two? Maybe a day?
The mechanical damage thing is the only one I can sort of understand. It'd probably be complicated to integrate it into the single player game. Of course they had six years to do it so I think they should've been able to, but I don't think it's something another patch will fix.
But all that other stuff? Just lazy as hell and confusing as to why these stupid decisions were made.
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Oh lord.
What? We have ONE single feature that didn't make it in? So what?
How many times would you actually make use of this?
Is this a complete deal breaker?
It isn't as if the course designer is a genuine designer anyway - its more of a generator a la F-Zero's. Not really a compelling reason to share the 'generations' it creates with your friends and the world.
Is this reason to vent your spleen and call your lawyer?
I think not.
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You know, a game being finished or not is a binary thing. It either is finished or it's not.
So, yeah, one single feature missing from the game does makee it incomplete. And if the game was advertised to have a feature that it does not, it's false advertising.
Whether you think it's a deal breaker or a minuscule addition to the game doesn't change a darn thing about it.
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I disagree. Define finished. It has been said that a software development project is never finished 'just in various states of less broken' - from the book 'Dreaming in Code'.
Yes, the fact is that the back of the box says it has this feature, you bought it and it doesn't. If that single feature is the reason you bought the game, then yes you'd be disappointed. It might be a reason to take the game back. Granted.
But in the case of this feature, does it actually justify the kind of whinging that that this thread has generated?
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Ok, ok, I admit it. I'll come clean. I don't care that I can't share automatically generated tracks with friends. I'm ashamed to admit that I will still play the game and enjoy it without it.
Ok, that being cleared up. Are you saying that this missing feature is actually a big deal to you?
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See, in this case, finished just means one thing: Deliver the product that was advertised the way it was advertised.
If I advertised delivering a delicious, well-done steak and served you raw meat, it's an unfinished job, whether you like your meat raw or not.
GT5's the same thing. The box doesn't contain what's written on it and that stuff has to be added later.
That is the perfect definition of an unfinished product.
You know, everything along those lines justifies bringing the product back.
See, if you came to the bank I'm working at and took out a loan and you were told you'd have to pay an interest rate of 5,95%pa. and we actually demanded 6,45%pa., wouldn't you try to step back from your contract as well?
The difference isn't much, but it's there and justifies being recognised.
