Thrustmaster T-GT Wheel Thread

[FPV MIC]

Does anyone know if you can switch off the transducer while playing GT Sport? If it makes a loud vibration sound it won't be great for 2AM sessions

@Twstcrv is correct, flipping the switch from GT mode to Other cuts out the transducer. I haven't had much of a go like that so I'm not sure if the FFB is the same, but there's definitely some there. It really won't be an issue unless you have a metal rig on a tiled floor, and even then I think you'll be able to insulate it pretty easy. It's not the transducer that's loud, it's other things vibrating that makes the noise (my PS4 fan is louder than the transducer).

 

[Twstcrv]

If I have the T-GT on 100% it's like 4 times heavier than my real car to steer which seems a bit unrealistic to me. Assists cut corners, feedback is supposed to give you information you need. The way I see it is if my wheel movements look like real drivers' and I can drive very well then I'm probably closer than if I can't get round a track without crashing and/or make unnatural wheel movements.


They are but then you have 10x the travel with a pedal compared to a trigger so that balances it out for me.

Does anyone know if you can switch off the transducer while playing GT Sport? If it makes a loud vibration sound it won't be great for 2AM sessions

Thats a bad oversimplification. Consider this. Why do you suppose cars, motorcycles, jets, and race cars still use hydraulically controlled brakes in their designs? Its because the human foot is much better at sensing relative pressure and position than it is at sensing just relative position. If using a potentiometer actuated brake pedal were better or safer in any way, that design would have been implemented a long time ago. For all these ridiculous claims that this fastest guy or that fastest guy did it with the potentiometer pedals, all I can say is, they would probably be faster with a load cell. If you are one of these people who is already faster than the other 99%, good for you. But if you are like me, you have a lot more competition than that. So if a load cell is going to make it easier for me to improve and get more consistent braking because it has been proven over a hundred years, in vehicles of all kinds, that the human foot is much better at controlling brake inputs with pressure and position instead of just postion, I AM GOING TO GO WITH THAT OPTION. Why make it harder than it has to be??!! Use designs that complement the way your body works instead of those that work against it. Ergonomics.

 

[PocketZeven]

If I have the T-GT on 100% it's like 4 times heavier than my real car to steer which seems a bit unrealistic to me. Assists cut corners, feedback is supposed to give you information you need. The way I see it is if my wheel movements look like real drivers' and I can drive very well then I'm probably closer than if I can't get round a track without crashing and/or make unnatural wheel movements.


They are but then you have 10x the travel with a pedal compared to a trigger so that balances it out for me.

Does anyone know if you can switch off the transducer while playing GT Sport? If it makes a loud vibration sound it won't be great for 2AM sessions

You don’t hear it at all when driving. Perhaps the vibration of your rig. But that depends on your rig.

Thats a bad oversimplification. Consider this. Why do you suppose cars, motorcycles, jets, and race cars still use hydraulically controlled brakes in their designs? Its because the human foot is much better at sensing relative pressure and position than it is at sensing just relative position. If using a potentiometer actuated brake pedal were better or safer in any way, that design would have been implemented a long time ago. For all these ridiculous claims that this fastest guy or that fastest guy did it with the potentiometer pedals, all I can say is, they would probably be faster with a load cell. If you are one of these people who is already faster than the other 99%, good for you. But if you are like me, you have a lot more competition than that. So if a load cell is going to make it easier for me to improve and get more consistent braking because it has been proven over a hundred years, in vehicles of all kinds, that the human foot is much better at controlling brake inputs with pressure and position instead of just postion, I AM GOING TO GO WITH THAT OPTION. Why make it harder than it has to be??!! Use designs that complement the way your body works instead of those that work against it. Ergonomics.

The discussion wasn’t about which one is realistic or better. It’s about it not being a necessity in a game and that aliens have dominated with simple setups. Which isn’t a ridiculous claim, but rather common knowledge within the sim community. You can watch the Mclaren worlds fastest gamer on YouTube they all have simple setups and we’re using Logitech wheels (sponsor) for the competition. Nobody in this thread was claiming Potentiometers are better. Please reread the posts. Most already knows load cells are better.

 

[Matty28]

Thats a bad oversimplification. Consider this. Why do you suppose cars, motorcycles, jets, and race cars still use hydraulically controlled brakes in their designs? Its because the human foot is much better at sensing relative pressure and position than it is at sensing just relative position. If using a potentiometer actuated brake pedal were better or safer in any way, that design would have been implemented a long time ago. For all these ridiculous claims that this fastest guy or that fastest guy did it with the potentiometer pedals, all I can say is, they would probably be faster with a load cell. If you are one of these people who is already faster than the other 99%, good for you. But if you are like me, you have a lot more competition than that. So if a load cell is going to make it easier for me to improve and get more consistent braking because it has been proven over a hundred years, in vehicles of all kinds, that the human foot is much better at controlling brake inputs with pressure and position instead of just postion, I AM GOING TO GO WITH THAT OPTION. Why make it harder than it has to be??!! Use designs that complement the way your body works instead of those that work against it. Ergonomics.

No lol, they use hydraulics because humans do not have the strength to put the required force on the brakes or whatever other input. Your wheel, throttle, clutch etc are all position inputs and the position is dictated by the pressure you apply. A pressure sensor/direct connection is clearly better for precision and feel, but extreme precision with the brakes is not really required for fast laps.

Throughout the 12 week challenge I talked about earlier the best I achieved was 2nd and the worst was 13th with CSP V2s. I achieved 3rd about 0.1 behind the winner (who was some inhuman lunatic who won 11/12 weeks) with the wobbly TX pedals in the final week. Does this not tell you anything?

 

[Twstcrv]

The discussion wasn’t about which one is realistic or better. It’s about it not being a necessity in a game and that aliens have dominated with simple setups. Which isn’t a ridiculous claim, but rather common knowledge within the sim community. You can watch the Mclaren worlds fastest gamer on YouTube they all have simple setups and we’re using Logitech wheels (sponsor) for the competition. Nobody in this thread was claiming Potentiometers are better. Please reread the posts. Most already knows load cells are better.

??? If they knew load cells were better why do they then feel the need to argue the point by bringing up fastest gamers not needing them? That sounds like an argument for them being redundant, not better. I think it is you that needs to reread the posts my friend. I wasn’t calling the claims ridiculous by themselves, but in the context that they were being used as an argument against the benefits of load cells. So reread the posts yourself and dont take my comments out of context.

No lol, they use hydraulics because humans do not have the strength to put the required force on the brakes or whatever other input. Your wheel, throttle, clutch etc are all position inputs and the position is dictated by the pressure you apply. A pressure sensor/direct connection is clearly better for precision and feel, but extreme precision with the brakes is not really required for fast laps.

Throughout the 12 week challenge I talked about earlier the best I achieved was 2nd and the worst was 13th with CSP V2s. I achieved 3rd about 0.1 behind the winner (who was some inhuman lunatic who won 11/12 weeks) with the wobbly TX pedals in the final week. Does this not tell you anything?

You really need to stick to gaming (lol) bc using a hydraulically controlled pedal vs electrically controlled has nothing to do w the force required in real vehicles. Your gaming accomplishment is awesome, however, and all it really proves is that exceptionally talented humans can accomplish amazing things in spite of crappy equipment, not necessarily because of it! Most of us do not have the time to master something that is less intuitive when we can see faster improvement which leads to more enjoyment w something that is more intuitive. I have to ask if you guys even ever gave load cells a fair time investment. To be totally fair, each person has to invest equal time w both to really know which is faster.

 

[FPV MIC]

??? If they knew load cells were better why do they then feel the need to argue the point by bringing up fastest gamers not needing them? That sounds like an argument for them being redundant, not better. I think it is you that needs to reread the posts my friend. I wasn’t calling the claims ridiculous by themselves, but in the context that they were being used as an argument against the benefits of load cells. So reread the posts yourself and dont take my comments out of context.

Because there's far more to a great lap time than having an load cell brake, it's as simple as that. No one here is saying they aren't more immersive or aren't slightly easier for some to adjust to, they just aren't a necessity to go fast.

I read this in a thread somewhere, seems to ring true in this one so I'll borrow it, ''You seem to feel the need to justify your purchase''.

 

[ghost30]

So... I'm loving this wheel so far.

Did some quick testing in Campaign mode: Circuit Experience (Nurburgring Sector ,1 and Dragon Trail Sector one). Still trying to dial settings in, but shaved an average of 2 tenths off of my times with much less attempts than with the t300. I'm sure I could shave off even more when I get acclimated with the wheel a bit more. The wheel feels much smoother, with nice tactile feedback allowing for consistent steering inputs. Pedals are stiffer than the tp3a's, and I actually feel like they brake stronger... Seems like I can brake a little later than before. Can anyone else attest to this?

Worth 800 usd? I don't know man... but it feels like a solid piece of kit to me. I'm happy. It's a keeper for me.

Anyway, took a few screen shots of those sector times, with some of the quickest guys on my friends list. Only a matter of time before they notice, and obliterate my times though.

 

[Ekenbullets]

You don’t hear it at all when driving. Perhaps the vibration of your rig. But that depends on your rig.

No dont hear it and I would say its way too weak to create any rattle sound of your rig. You feel some small vibration yes but rattling sound no.

??? If they knew load cells were better why do they then feel the need to argue the point by bringing up fastest gamers not needing them? That sounds like an argument for them being redundant, not better. I think it is you that needs to reread the posts my friend. I wasn’t calling the claims ridiculous by themselves, but in the context that they were being used as an argument against the benefits of load cells. So reread the posts yourself and dont take my comments out of context.

You really need to stick to gaming (lol) bc using a hydraulically controlled pedal vs electrically controlled has nothing to do w the force required in real vehicles. Your gaming accomplishment is awesome, however, and all it really proves is that exceptionally talented humans can accomplish amazing things in spite of crappy equipment, not necessarily because of it! Most of us do not have the time to master something that is less intuitive when we can see faster improvement which leads to more enjoyment w something that is more intuitive. I have to ask if you guys even ever gave load cells a fair time investment. To be totally fair, each person has to invest equal time w both to really know which is faster.

Im curious since you are so pro the loadcells, which one have you tried?

I think the pressue vs position statements are too black and white and artificial. To me using pedals (t3pa and t-gt pedals) with a breakmod is about pressure not merely position. The technology behind is position yes but to reach the desired breakforce I use a certain pressure not fixing my foot by a certain position like the throttle. I dont expect loadcells to make me any faster but I will buy the bodin or TM loadcell kit when it is available just because I like to try it out.

 

[ANDRITSOULAS]

Until recently i was using t300rs ferrari alcantara integral(t3pa + brake mod) The pedal set is very good for the price. With the brake mod i could understand -feel -control the braking zones way better than without mod or in comparison with my old G27 wheel. Basically i loved my t3pa set. I sold my thrustmaster set to buy Fanatec's csl elite ps4 for the price - fidelity - adjustability- materials.

LC pedal set is way more "realistic" in feel in comparison with the t3pa no brakemod (about 70% ) but if we make a comparisson with t3pa+brake mod, LC pedal set is only about 15%-25% better in feel.
You get what you pay if we consider the adjustability and the materials.

The problem with the T-GT is the price. It is a good wheel with inovations but not for 800 euros /usd hands down. Some people would buy the T-GT for 600$ some for less some for more.

It is just pointless to argue for these kind of things.
Lets just have fun and race. We are arguing for things like . . . . . . who has the bigger . . . . . Loadcell. . . . . Enjoy your products guys.

 

[F Inferno]

I agree with the irony. The games should have set profiles for each car and wheel tans/type to reflect its real life counterpart. But somehow simracers love 100+ settings??? That’s why I like GT sport polyphony says the ffb should feel like this, but we give you 2 settings to personalize it modestly.

Btw I play on console and you don’t have the feature to show if your wheel is clipping. How do you “feel” when the wheel is clipping?

Basically you just start losing detail in the FFB as the wheel is tapped out like going hard around a corner if you are at max force you won't be able to feel smaller bumps anymore.

I disagree completely. Using or not using stability control, gears, abs, tc, etc not only changes the performance of the car, but requires more skill. Turning up ffb only requires strength, doesn’t make you faster or slower and only determines how tired you want to be at the end. If you like to challenge yourself that way thats great, but don’t say its weak or cowardly if others dont. A real driver would laugh at that as you sit in your quiet comfy air conditioned room eating cheetos, drinking root beer and working your arms! Now having said that, if I find out a game DOES give you boost for higher ffb, I will definitely consider it! And I may do a race now and then for fun that way, but mostly I want to win more than I want to work out.

Of course it makes you slower, if you can blast through any corner however you like because it's not going to effect your ability to keep the wheels straight then that's an advantage. You can attack kerbs harder and like the difference between a load cell and potentiometer brake you will be more consistent because you won't fatigue or be overpowered by the car in high force situations.

If all you care about is being fast sure have at it but it isn't much different to having a driving aid to make it easier to keep the car stable.

Default setting for ffb strength in most racing games is unrealistically strong. A real car has power steering, and does not take that much effort to steer.

If it feels like too much resistance, and you are constantly fighting the wheel, your ffb is too strong. Yes.. you want some resistance, but you shouldn't be getting tired. Unless of course you just like it strong.

Road effects settings are a different thing than ffb. Too much ffb strength is unrealistic and detracts from precise movement.

Also, just because an average gamer turns down ffb, doesn't mean he will all of the sudden be quick. It's all relative. You still need to have excellent racecraft.

This is where people go wrong with the idea of high FFB, I'm not talking about the general wheel weight which like you say with powering steering won't be that high. However you still get forces on the steering rack up to 6.5-8.5nm in modern race cars.

I will agree though that a lot of racing games don't account for large dynamic ranges especially on consoles to give accurate results and end up boosting things unrealistically. FFB in serious sims is changing though and taking into account the huge dynamic ranges of DD wheels as they become more affordable/readily available to give 1:1 forces.

 

[PocketZeven]

??? If they knew load cells were better why do they then feel the need to argue the point by bringing up fastest gamers not needing them? That sounds like an argument for them being redundant, not better. I think it is you that needs to reread the posts my friend. I wasn’t calling the claims ridiculous by themselves, but in the context that they were being used as an argument against the benefits of load cells. So reread the posts yourself and dont take my comments out of context.

Sigh... nobody was arguing...just stating facts and observations that loadcell aren’t required (or high end wheel) to clock quick lap times. And yes I reread the posts for good measure. You can argue that real hydraulic brakes are better then load cells, but that’s not the point. Aliens are quick regardless of gear. That was the point being made.

 

[Twstcrv]

Because there's far more to a great lap time than having an load cell brake, it's as simple as that. No one here is saying they aren't more immersive or aren't slightly easier for some to adjust to, they just aren't a necessity to go fast.

I read this in a thread somewhere, seems to ring true in this one so I'll borrow it, ''You seem to feel the need to justify your purchase''.

I never once said a load cell was a cure all.

Im curious since you are so pro the loadcells, which one have you tried?

I think the pressue vs position statements are too black and white and artificial. To me using pedals (t3pa and t-gt pedals) with a breakmod is about pressure not merely position. The technology behind is position yes but to reach the desired breakforce I use a certain pressure not fixing my foot by a certain position like the throttle. I dont expect loadcells to make me any faster but I will buy the bodin or TM loadcell kit when it is available just because I like to try it out.

I have now used both. Most of my comments relate to the ergonomic benefit.

Sigh... nobody was arguing...just stating facts and observations that loadcell aren’t required (or high end wheel) to clock quick lap times. And yes I reread the posts for good measure. You can argue that real hydraulic brakes are better then load cells, but that’s not the point. Aliens are quick regardless of gear. That was the point being made.

..Aaaand you just made my point again. If aliens are quick no matter what, how is it relevant to which one is better?!

 

[PocketZeven]

Basically you just start losing detail in the FFB as the wheel is tapped out like going hard around a corner if you are at max force you won't be able to feel smaller bumps anymore.

Of course it makes you slower, if you can blast through any corner however you like because it's not going to effect your ability to keep the wheels straight then that's an advantage. You can attack kerbs harder and like the difference between a load cell and potentiometer brake you will be more consistent because you won't fatigue or be overpowered by the car in high force situations.

If all you care about is being fast sure have at it but it isn't much different to having a driving aid to make it easier to keep the car stable.

This is where people go wrong with the idea of high FFB, I'm not talking about the general wheel weight which like you say with powering steering won't be that high. However you still get forces on the steering rack up to 6.5-8.5nm in modern race cars.

I will agree though that a lot of racing games don't account for large dynamic ranges especially on consoles to give accurate results and end up boosting things unrealistically. FFB in serious sims is changing though and taking into account the huge dynamic ranges of DD wheels as they become more affordable/readily available to give 1:1 forces.

Does the wheel just feel light while clipping? I might mistake it for loosing traction. Never experienced it before I think, but maybe it just went unnoticed.

..Aaaand you just made my point again. If aliens are quick no matter what, how is it relevant to which one is better?!

It isn’t relevant! Like I wrote in my post. Nobody was claiming that?
Please show me when and where did somebody say that the one is better then the other?

 

[Twstcrv]

It isn’t relevant! Like I wrote in my post. Nobody was claiming that?
Please show me when and where did somebody say that the one is better then the other?

Sigh

Im curious since you are so pro the loadcells, which one have you tried?

I think the pressue vs position statements are too black and white and artificial. To me using pedals (t3pa and t-gt pedals) with a breakmod is about pressure not merely position. The technology behind is position yes but to reach the desired breakforce I use a certain pressure not fixing my foot by a certain position like the throttle. I dont expect loadcells to make me any faster but I will buy the bodin or TM loadcell kit when it is available just because I like to try it out.

The rubber brake mod requires MORE pressure but its not BASED on pressure, its still only based on position. Having said that, it was an improvement for me over not having it in there at all. And I love how all you guys keep insisting it prob wont make you faster, its not necessary, aliens didnt use them, and yet most, if not all of you will end up getting one!

 

[F Inferno]

Does the wheel just feel light while clipping? I might mistake it for loosing traction. Never experienced it before I think, but maybe it just went unnoticed.

No that's traction loss if it suddenly goes. You will have experienced it I'm sure but it's not necessarily the most obvious thing, you're probably more focused on the fact there is a large force you are steering against.

It's basically just clipping information so say the sim is asking for 8nm and the wheel only does 6nm anything from 6-8 will feel the same kind of like smoothing or dampening.

 

[Twstcrv]

It isn’t relevant! Like I wrote in my post. Nobody was claiming that?
Please show me when and where did somebody say that the one is better then the other?

It isn’t relevant! Like I wrote in my post. Nobody was claiming that?
Please show me when and where did somebody say that the one is better then the other?

I AM THE ONE SAYING ITS BETTER, and if someone uses aliens to illustrate they are not necessary.. well .. that is essentially saying its NOT better! As Foghorn Leghorn would say “Is any of this gettin’ through that little blue bonnet of yours?!”

 

[PocketZeven]

No that's traction loss if it suddenly goes. You will have experienced it I'm sure but it's not necessarily the most obvious thing, you're probably more focused on the fact there is a large force you are steering against.

It's basically just clipping information so say the sim is asking for 8nm and the wheel only does 6nm anything from 6-8 will feel the same kind of like smoothing or dampening.

Interesting. So it isn’t necessarily a game breaker? So lowering overall FFB will prevent this by providing more wiggle room for these FFB spikes?

I AM THE ONE SAYING ITS BETTER, and if someone uses aliens to illustrate they are not necessary.. well .. that is essentially saying its NOT better! As Foghorn Leghorn would say “Is any of this gettin’ through that little blue bonnet of yours?!”

I’m repeating myself over and over. Yes loadcell are better.Hydraulic brake are even better then that. But it isn’t required to be fast.
But your reading the post to black and white.
Racing fundamentals are way more important. Muscle memory is all bout consistency. But with practice somebody with a low end pedalset can be as fast (or faster) then with a high end pedalset. But in most cases it will primeraly make you more consistent. But at the end if you miss your braking point it won’t matter what you are using. If an alien uses Lowend pedals it doesn’t mean their gear is better. The point is they are fast regardless of gear! They will be fast with the cheapest pedals you can get. And I’m not saying the cheapest pedals are better then mid/high range pedals.

I remember you were saying you are a newcomer to wheels. Yet you are advocating like an expert on how people who use low end pedals are not going to be as quick as people with high end pedals. I’ve clocked 1000+ hours on DFGT, G29 and now T-GT. And with each upgrade I was slower. Because I needed to get used to the gear. If you didn’t return your wheel, eventually you would have accustomed to the pedals and be fast. Perhaps for you loadcells will shorten that significantly.

 

[Twstcrv]

I AM THE ONE SAYING ITS BETTER, and if someone uses aliens to illustrate they are not necessary.. well .. that is essentially saying its NOT better! As Foghorn Leghorn would say “Is any of this gettin’ through that little blue bonnet of yours?!”

I will leave you guys now since Zeven and I have become obsessively entangled in a circular dance over semantics. For those who have a new TGT it IS A GOOD WHEEL. You will enjoy it, as I did, and I sincerely hope tm gives you an lc option soon. Happy Thanksgiving!
Zeven, I will see you in the pm area mister! You need a time out!

 

[F Inferno]

Interesting. So it isn’t necessarily a game breaker? So lowering overall FFB will prevent this by providing more wiggle room for these FFB spikes?

Pretty much yes. Generally it's suggested to only clip for a small percentage of the lap during big force spikes like large kerbs, the issue is it then lowers the feedback strength of everything else. FFB is more detailed for lower force wheels this way but inaccurate and is considered the lesser of two evils.

Kind of like the opposite of the minimum force setting where you have to boost smaller forces for the wheels to be able to give feedback because normally they clip the detail and can feel dead otherwise.

Most people would say detail is king but I personally want accuracy and turn off all fake effects and want as close to 1:1 forces as possible on the wheel I'm using hence the upgrade to DD and purchasing a Buttkicker to get the other effects in the right place through my body and not my hands/wheel.

Next stop motion rig!

 

[PocketZeven]

Pretty much yes. Generally it's suggested to only clip for a small percentage of the lap during big force spikes like large kerbs, the issue is it then lowers the feedback strength of everything else. FFB is more detailed for lower force wheels this way but inaccurate and is considered the lesser of two evils.

Kind of like the opposite of the minimum force setting where you have to boost smaller forces for the wheels to be able to give feedback because normally they clip the detail and can feel dead otherwise.

Most people would say detail is king but I personally want accuracy and turn off all fake effects and want as close to 1:1 forces as possible on the wheel I'm using hence the upgrade to DD and purchasing a Buttkicker to get the other effects in the right place through my body and not my hands/wheel.

Next stop motion rig!

That’s where I want to go eventually. Im Just not convinced yet that it isnt possible to get 1:1 on a “cheaper” belt drive compaired to DD. I know There is latency and friction that might dampen the effects. What you meant with fake effects is like the “autotune” (artificial effects) feature that PCars 2 has when you set FFB flavor to immersive/informative? With raw more being 1:1?
Raw didn’t feel right with my G29 before. Since switching to the T-GT I’m on raw.

Personally I think the transducer in the TGt is quite accurate to what you feel in real life. You Just miss the feel in your seat.

 

[Ekenbullets]

The rubber brake mod requires MORE pressure but its not BASED on pressure, its still only based on position. Having said that, it was an improvement for me over not having it in there at all. And I love how all you guys keep insisting it prob wont make you faster, its not necessary, aliens didnt use them, and yet most, if not all of you will endup getting one!

Yeah so what? I want to try them out and see if they feel good but I dont expect to shave off seconds. But if they feel great I would of course what a load cell. I have never argued agains load cells but I dont think they will make me faster.

 

[Matty28]

You really need to stick to gaming (lol) bc using a hydraulically controlled pedal vs electrically controlled has nothing to do w the force required in real vehicles. Your gaming accomplishment is awesome, however, and all it really proves is that exceptionally talented humans can accomplish amazing things in spite of crappy equipment, not necessarily because of it! Most of us do not have the time to master something that is less intuitive when we can see faster improvement which leads to more enjoyment w something that is more intuitive. I have to ask if you guys even ever gave load cells a fair time investment. To be totally fair, each person has to invest equal time w both to really know which is faster.

First you were talking about lowering force feedback, then you start talking about hydraulics, now you're talking about hydraulic assist compared to electronic assist. Stop jumping around topics and maybe my responses will make more sense? People have repeatedly told you no one is saying potentiometers are better and yet you are still trying to argue this point. Why? "Most of us do not have the time to master something that is less intuitive" replace "less intuitive" with "different to what people drive every day" and you've basically quoted me. Honestly it seems like you are arguing against nothing and as someone else said trying to defend your purchase from a non-existent attack. I just said I hadn't used a potentiometre for 2.5 years until that week, how is this not a sufficient time investment in load cells?

 

[PocketZeven]

^^This^^👍

I've mentioned this several times in this thread. I've been sim racing for a long time now, but real world driving a lot longer. In this time I've had to make many adaptations from DS3/DS4, different wheel/pedal combo's, left foot braking, to now left foot everything (lost my right leg in an accident). In this time my speed in relation to my friends has not changed by more than .5 of a second. One lesson I've learnt is that we are a very adaptable species, and due to this knowledge, I know that simply adding a load cell is not going to magically make me any more than a bees dick quicker.

You do everything with 1 foot and only lost .5 of a second??

 

[FPV MIC]

You do everything with 1 foot and only lost .5 of a second??

That .5 includes DS4 use. I've actually lost less than that with left foot wheel driving. It affects me most in race situations where I can't balance the throttle and brake as effectively as I used to when up someones clacker, but it's really no different to other racers who only use their right foot. I gotta say, all the practise with sim racing has made the transition to to real world driving far easier, it just feels natural to me now. I look at other peoples rigs and think it looks odd for the throttle to be on the right.

 

[PocketZeven]

That .5 includes DS4 use. I've actually lost less than that with left foot wheel driving. It affects me most in race situations where I can't balance the throttle and brake as effectively as I used to when up someones clacker, but it's really no different to other racers who only use their right foot. I gotta say, all the practise with sim racing has made the transition to to real world driving far easier, it just feels natural to me now. I look at other peoples rigs and think it looks odd for the throttle to be on the right.

It is amazing how humans can adapt! You were right footed before I think?

 

[FPV MIC]

It is amazing how humans can adapt! You were right footed before I think?

That is so true, and yes, right footed but drove using both in sim racing.

Edited to add: It wasn't an easy transition to left foot driving for me, months went by before even considered racing online, and that was Nascar on ovals (Gran Turismo). From there it was a slow progression of many TT's and low PP racing over several years to get back to where I am now, which is still by no means alien pace, but faster than many.

 

[SeerreuS]

I have a 135i w the m sport package and doesnt require near the force of pcars2 1m or z4 w ffb set to “normal”. So I dont have alot of faith that these developers arent exaggerating these wheel forces just a little. Consider how bad, for example gtsport engine sounds still are after all these years of development! When I heard assetto corsa’s ferrari for the first time I realized just how bad gt sound is! I still love the game because its never been a priority, just sayin.

This is exactly why no one should laugh when someone says pro drivers and riders are athletes. If you took your 135i on a track you would find these sim wheels are far from the true laws of physics, but the adrenaline rush would skew your fatigue and your thoughts lol. After 5 laps at mid ohio on my 1199 panigale I'm very tired with arm pump and slowing down so I don't make a mistake. Adrenaline is through the roof, whatever makes you faster. Immersion is awesome but doesn't mean faster.....

 

[Twstcrv]

Gutsy move taking an expensive bike like that to the track. I believe you. Alot more going on at a track like that (esp w a bike) than what we are used to on the street! I would need to see each one of those turns a lot more than 5 times to start feeling comfortable going fast through them!

 

[SeerreuS]

Gutsy move taking an expensive bike like that to the track. I believe you. Alot more going on at a track like that (esp w a bike) than what we are used to on the street! I would need to see each one of those turns a lot more than 5 times to start feeling comfortable going fast through them!

How are you liking the csl fanatic.

 

[Twstcrv]

How are you liking the csl fanatic.

Im away from it til sat. I had a few hrs on it before I left and loved it. Brake and wheel have tons of adjustment options which I am really looking fwd to tweaking when I get back. After seeing how the csl pedals are built I am really tempted to get their black fri. Inv pedals which are crazy adjustable and versatile.
The firmware is quirky. Took a few tries to update then needed a few reboots to get it to work right, but not a huge deal for me. The tgt definitely better at plug and play.

This is exactly why no one should laugh when someone says pro drivers and riders are athletes. If you took your 135i on a track you would find these sim wheels are far from the true laws of physics, but the adrenaline rush would skew your fatigue and your thoughts lol. After 5 laps at mid ohio on my 1199 panigale I'm very tired with arm pump and slowing down so I don't make a mistake. Adrenaline is through the roof, whatever makes you faster. Immersion is awesome but doesn't mean faster.....

Ive been to that track a few times. Dont understand why the big games never include it.