Thrustmaster T-GT Wheel Thread

[F Inferno]

It is also very psychological. I never noticed the cogging on the G29 till I read about people being annoyed by it. At the beginning it started to annoy me. But then I concentrated less on it and more on the ffb information and it wasn’t an issue anymore. Because the feedback itself was delivered “smooth”, for a lack of better word. The only reason I upgraded is the obvious deadzone in the middle. Which probably is there because the g29 has 2 motors?!? Also it lacked speed or torque when recentering in some situation. Don’t know anybody with a Fanatec wheel to compare though. So maybe the Fanatec is buttery smooth compared to the thrustmaster lineup. But that won’t compensate the cons of compatibility for me personally. If the issues are solved I might pick up a CSL and try it, before deciding to sell of the T-GT.

Fanatec's are buttery smooth and I think most of the people who comment on notchiness have come from them. Just as those with OSW/Bodnar wheels who try the Accuforce say it's not as smooth but it's all relative really.

Personally I don't buy into the idea it should be perfectly smooth as most cars don't have smooth steering like that anyway. My issue with logitech wheels is I could feel the cogging constantly and pushing hard into a corner against the wheel I felt like it was breaking it because of the gears. I have a similar concern even with the V2 when I'm pushing it that I could break it if I really went for it rather than thinking damn this car wants to kill me.

Now obviously I haven't broken it and the Logitech g25/27 are some of the most reliable wheels out there but I like expensive things I'm putting a lot of force through to feel rock solid otherwise I get paranoid.

 

[PocketZeven]

My merc’s powersteering isn’t that smooth as well. That’s why “buttery” smooth wasn’t that important for me. Yeah I get that with the Logitech too. Sometimes it sounds like stuff breaking in there. But apparantly some other wheels do the same. I don’t get the knocking on the T-GT though.

There are really rare cases of Logitech wheels breaking. Hopefully Logitech is developing a new wheel. Being a Swiss company does make a big difference in quality control.

 

[PocketZeven]

Double post. Sorry! How do you remove these?

 

[SeerreuS]

How are you liking the CSL? Is it much smoother? How is the plug and playability? With that mclaren rim it is awfully difficult to resist the temptation in entering Fanatec ecosystem. But I really don’t want to spend time with settings, firmware etc.

I will receive everything tomorrow and I will know if it was worth it and report back saturday. I was nervous about a lot of things but I sent emails do customer support and got quick replies so we will see Saturday. I love the base of the TGT and I like the way it felt and the reliability didn't like the power cord or the price tag. After playing GT Sport and project cars 2 I'm very happy with both games but I love the online GT Sport and the competition a lot and it's only going to get better so I hope this wheel works okay with GT Sport we will find out.

 

[PocketZeven]

I will receive everything tomorrow and I will know if it was worth it and report back saturday. I was nervous about a lot of things but I sent emails do customer support and got quick replies so we will see Saturday. I love the base of the TGT and I like the way it felt and the reliability didn't like the power cord or the price tag. After playing GT Sport and project cars 2 I'm very happy with both games but I love the online GT Sport and the competition a lot and it's only going to get better so I hope this wheel works okay with GT Sport we will find out.

The biggest regret I have with the T-GT is how bad the Ferrari F1 wheel is. It looks great on pictures and thought it would be on par with the Fanatec formula rim. The weight is good, but stickers on the buttons? The faux rotary encoders? It looked like a toy! I was expecting a replica! I immediately returned it.

I like the look of the TS-PC racer wheel rim though, but it isn’t available separately yet. Fanatec already has that amazing formula rim (did you order that one?) and the mclaren gt3 coming next year (did you preorder?) wish I could adapt these to my wheelbase. That would be the perfect wheel for me. I don’t even mind not having a LC brake.

 

[7HO]

My T-GT doesn't have the same problem as your or the one in the review. Yes some cogging is there, and you can feel when is turn it off with small movment, but when I play it is fine.

I have the CSL PS4 elite with the F1 Carbon Rim and the V3. Plus I still keep my G29.
While I think that the Fanatec package is the better value for the money, because it has a way better set of pedals (either the Elite with loadcell or the V3), hardly you will go back to non loadcell brake, and the wheelbase is built greatly, I am not sold it of the beavhe on PS4. On PC there is no discussion. Get a Fanatec bundle and be happy, but on PS4 in my opinion it doesn't work at his full potential.

I will keep both the CSL and the T-GT. So this is what I think, the CSL is smoother, better built, better add on and better pedals. This should be enough for the CSL to be better overall on PS4 but I value more feeling and the feedback that a wheel gives you while you drive, and the T-GT (but even the T300), gave me way more information about the car and his behave that the CSL at the moment can give. This is what I value more and Thrustmaster product on PS4 are doing this better. Probably because they are there since the beggining of PS4 and the CSL is new and the compatibility is in progress. Take this as my opinion that you can disagree, not as a supreme thruth.

I have other friends in the league where I race that have the same feeling. Drivers that play both on PS4 and on PC with IRacing. One of them did keep the Elite pedals but sold the baseand went back to the T300 and the CPX. Take in mind that I use the the T-GT with the V3 (on PS4 via CPX), because the pedals are quite horrible.

In the end the Fanatec user gave you a better advise. Try yourself. I still think that the CSL is a great piece of hardware, and definitely I won't sold it, but on (only) PS4, at the moment, has some limitation.

Thanks for your reply. You've made some interesting comments. I assumed the Fanatec wheel would be better with a PS4 because you can change wheel and pedal settings from the wheel which I thought would have an advantage in games that lack settings like GT Sport that don't allow you to calibrate your pedals to taste as an example. I kind of get what you are saying about compatibility at the moment because I know GT Sport even gives the T-GT a better base FFB experience than when it is in the Other mode. So there seems to be some type of preferential treatment to their own wheel. Of course I might be wrong, perhaps the issue is GT Sport has programmed the FFB to be optimal with each wheel and therefore optimal with a non linear T300 but when the T-GT pretends to be a T300 it is linear and isn't a T300 so perhaps that is why there is a different feeling. I know GT Sport feels really good on my G29. I realise Project CARS 2 hasn't been a great experience for CSL owners but they have an update on the way that might change all that. So I get why you feel the way you do and considering your thoughts of the CSL on PC it seems to me that your thoughts on PS4 could change with a simple update. As for the T-GT I have an issue with compatibility on the PS4. One of the reasons I bought the T-GT was for all the extra buttons but outside of GT Sport they don't work on the PS4 and the thumb sticks also don't work. Then even in GT Sport the buttons on 3 dials do not do anything and you can't assign them. The wheel is actually better on PC than on PS4 IMO and if I had known all these things before I bought it, I wouldn't have bought it.

Unfortunately in regard to Fanatec's offer I think I'm too over committed financially coming into Christmas to have 2x $1000 wheels in my house. I think it is very decent of Fanatec to offer the option to return the wheel if I don't prefer it but it still means I have to find a spare $1000 to purchase it as I would want it with the optional load cell and I don't think I can do that without first selling the T-GT at this time. I would love to do a side by side comparison and perhaps early next year I could do that, I'm not sure if this is a limited offer though.

I think it's subjective and depends on the person, even pro race drivers feel different things in the same car depending on what their body is most sensitive too.

The cogging is always there, whether or not you can feel it is another thing, for you FFB numbs your ability to feel it as I'm sure it does for most people.

I can feel the physical plastic bump stop (the black disc with a Fanatec logo) on the CSW V2 shaft jump slightly during fast direction changes but I've never seen anyone else comment on it. I notice lots of other odd things too as my hands are pretty sensitive, my feet on the other hand even driving in socks I stop being able to feel the vibration motor on the brake if I'm getting a lot through my hands.

I agree with this post and I am also very sensitive in my hands. I can feel the belt in a belt driven wheel and I can feel how that feels different to a real cars steering, I can't recall ever seeing someone mention that. Unfortunately I also not so precise with my feet.

 

[SeerreuS]

The biggest regret I have with the T-GT is how bad the Ferrari F1 wheel is. It looks great on pictures and thought it would be on par with the Fanatec formula rim. The weight is good, but stickers on the buttons? The faux rotary encoders? It looked like a toy! I was expecting a replica! I immediately returned it.

I like the look of the TS-PC racer wheel rim though, but it isn’t available separately yet. Fanatec already has that amazing formula rim (did you order that one?) and the mclaren gt3 coming next year (did you preorder?) wish I could adapt these to my wheelbase. That would be the perfect wheel for me. I don’t even mind not having a LC brake.

I ordered the fanatic F1 wheel for 199 which comes with the quick release that'll be here Friday I wasn't going to pay an extra $50 for carbon fiber. That equipment looks amazing but like I said I won't know until I get it in my hand if all the hype is true. As far as the McLaren Rim goes you must buy the quick release also that's $100 so with shipping it would have cost me to 296$. I thought the F1 Rim was a no-brainer. I like the McLaren Rim maybe I'll purchase it next year because I want that quick release anyway to go with the CSL Elite rim. I'm very optimistic right now.

 

[SeerreuS]

I also purchased the Ferrari 599 30 millimeter wheel with the t-gt. I like that wheel so much better than the rim that came with the T GT, except none of the buttons we're able to work the in-game modifications on the Fly and that disappointed me. Also another reason for me returning the T GT. I never saw myself wanting to use the original Rim again.

 

[PocketZeven]

Thanks for your reply. You've made some interesting comments. I assumed the Fanatec wheel would be better with a PS4 because you can change wheel and pedal settings from the wheel which I thought would have an advantage in games that lack settings like GT Sport that don't allow you to calibrate your pedals to taste as an example. I kind of get what you are saying about compatibility at the moment because I know GT Sport even gives the T-GT a better base FFB experience than when it is in the Other mode. So there seems to be some type of preferential treatment to their own wheel. Of course I might be wrong, perhaps the issue is GT Sport has programmed the FFB to be optimal with each wheel and therefore optimal with a non linear T300 but when the T-GT pretends to be a T300 it is linear and isn't a T300 so perhaps that is why there is a different feeling. I know GT Sport feels really good on my G29. I realise Project CARS 2 hasn't been a great experience for CSL owners but they have an update on the way that might change all that. So I get why you feel the way you do and considering your thoughts of the CSL on PC it seems to me that your thoughts on PS4 could change with a simple update. As for the T-GT I have an issue with compatibility on the PS4. One of the reasons I bought the T-GT was for all the extra buttons but outside of GT Sport they don't work on the PS4 and the thumb sticks also don't work. Then even in GT Sport the buttons on 3 dials do not do anything and you can't assign them. The wheel is actually better on PC than on PS4 IMO and if I had known all these things before I bought it, I wouldn't have bought it.

Unfortunately in regard to Fanatec's offer I think I'm too over committed financially coming into Christmas to have 2x $1000 wheels in my house. I think it is very decent of Fanatec to offer the option to return the wheel if I don't prefer it but it still means I have to find a spare $1000 to purchase it as I would want it with the optional load cell and I don't think I can do that without first selling the T-GT at this time. I would love to do a side by side comparison and perhaps early next year I could do that, I'm not sure if this is a limited offer though.



I agree with this post and I am also very sensitive in my hands. I can feel the belt in a belt driven wheel and I can feel how that feels different to a real cars steering, I can't recall ever seeing someone mention that. Unfortunately I also not so precise with my feet.

The T-GT was designed in conjunction with Polyphony, so logically it has better support then other wheels. As for the rotary dials it depends on the race. I believe they are for brake bias, fuel management, TC and torque differential. In most races you don’t need fuel management or drive a four wheel drive car, so 2 dials have no specific function in those races. I really don’t understand why ABS settings is missing though. Would really like to change that on the fly like in GT6. And maybe even FFB. Hoping Polyphony will add that in a future update?

I am hopeful that the advanced GT sport (DFB, thumb sticks and rotary encoders) features will be supported by other games in the future on ps4.

Since your pretty much “stuck” with the T-GT. I can give you some hopefull news. I found by accident a price list with upcoming products: https://www.gtplanet.net/multiple-upcoming-thrustmaster-products-discovered-via-pricing-list/
There are even some photos in the thread of some of 2 of those new rims. The 488 challenge seems to have Rev lights and 2 additional rotary encoders. But these might be PC only. Hopefully they will release some of these products very soon. But to me it shows that Thrustmaster is not standing still. Especially with simracing esports growing as it has in 2017 and I predict will grow even faster in 2018, thrustmaster is definitely hopping on that bandwagon.

It will be definitely be a battle of the ecosystems. With thrustmaster and its partnership with Sparco and Ferrari on 1 side and Fanatec with mclaren/Porsche and BMW on the other. Really hope to see more interesting peripherals from thrustmaster that rival or improve on what Fanatec has on offer.

That said. If I knew about the mclaren rim 1 month earlier, I would have gone for Fanatec and ignore the compatibility issues.

 

[7HO]

The T-GT was designed in conjunction with Polyphony, so logically it has better support then other wheels. As for the rotary dials it depends on the race. I believe they are for brake bias, fuel management, TC and torque differential. In most races you don’t need fuel management or drive a four wheel drive car, so 2 dials have no specific function in those races. I really don’t understand why ABS settings is missing though. Would really like to change that on the fly like in GT6. And maybe even FFB. Hoping Polyphony will add that in a future update?

I am hopeful that the advanced GT sport (DFB, thumb sticks and rotary encoders) features will be supported by other games in the future on ps4.

Since your pretty much “stuck” with the T-GT. I can give you some hopefull news. I found by accident a price list with upcoming products: https://www.gtplanet.net/multiple-upcoming-thrustmaster-products-discovered-via-pricing-list/
There are even some photos in the thread of some of 2 of those new rims. The 488 challenge seems to have Rev lights and 2 additional rotary encoders. But these might be PC only. Hopefully they will release some of these products very soon. But to me it shows that Thrustmaster is not standing still. Especially with simracing esports growing as it has in 2017 and I predict will grow even faster in 2018, thrustmaster is definitely hopping on that bandwagon.

It will be definitely be a battle of the ecosystems. With thrustmaster and its partnership with Sparco and Ferrari on 1 side and Fanatec with mclaren/Porsche and BMW on the other. Really hope to see more interesting peripherals from thrustmaster that rival or improve on what Fanatec has on offer.

That said. If I knew about the mclaren rim 1 month earlier, I would have gone for Fanatec and ignore the compatibility issues.

I know how the Rotary Dials function but each also has a Push Button Feature. In GT Sport the bottom right Dial changes the focus so you can switch between TC, Brake Bias and so on but the push feature of every other dial does nothing and even in GT Sport these buttons can not be assigned. Outside of GT Sport in any other game on PS4 these dials, their push button feature and the thumb sticks are all disabled. On PC however all these features work and this wheel actually performs better on PC than on PS4. Unfortunately I purchased this wheel to use on PS4.

As it turns out it looks like I am not stuck with the T-GT. I have been talking with eBay and eBay have agreed to refund me themselves as a remorse return based on the information I gave them regarding the gritty/notchy feeling alone. So I have started the return and now I just need to pack it up, send it and then wait. As it is over 10kg they have told me I must pay for postage myself so that is my only out of pocket expense and I'm not complaining. I'll be in contact with Thomas soon to hopefully arrange purchase of the CSL with the Load Cell for review.

I really don't care about the battle of eco systems. I tied this wheel with high expectations and I have been disappointed as I don't think this wheel performs to its price point. It is a very good wheel in many aspects but I was expecting more. Now I will hopefully try Fanatec and see what I think.

 

[PocketZeven]

I know how the Rotary Dials function but each also has a Push Button Feature. In GT Sport the bottom right Dial changes the focus so you can switch between TC, Brake Bias and so on but the push feature of every other dial does nothing and even in GT Sport these buttons can not be assigned. Outside of GT Sport in any other game on PS4 these dials, their push button feature and the thumb sticks are all disabled. On PC however all these features work and this wheel actually performs better on PC than on PS4. Unfortunately I purchased this wheel to use on PS4.

As it turns out it looks like I am not stuck with the T-GT. I have been talking with eBay and eBay have agreed to refund me themselves as a remorse return based on the information I gave them regarding the gritty/notchy feeling alone. So I have started the return and now I just need to pack it up, send it and then wait. As it is over 10kg they have told me I must pay for postage myself so that is my only out of pocket expense and I'm not complaining. I'll be in contact with Thomas soon to hopefully arrange purchase of the CSL with the Load Cell for review.

I really don't care about the battle of eco systems. I tied this wheel with high expectations and I have been disappointed as I don't think this wheel performs to its price point. It is a very good wheel in many aspects but I was expecting more. Now I will hopefully try Fanatec and see what I think.

Good service from ebay! How long ago did you buy it? Looking forward to your comparison. Some members who switched somehow didn’t bother posting a review after switching. Probably means they are too busy having fun?!?

 

[7HO]

Good service from ebay! How long ago did you buy it? Looking forward to your comparison. Some members who switched somehow didn’t bother posting a review after switching. Probably means they are too busy having fun?!?

2 weeks but it arrived 8 days ago. I don't know about other members, I didn't post a review of the T-GT firstly because I was disappointed and I wanted to see if time would change the way I feel and secondly because my review would have mostly been a clone of what other reviews have already pointed out.

But there are a few small differences of opinion I have from some other reviews.

I mostly like the pedals and think reviewers have been overly critical of them. I think this largely stems from the common view that pot pedals are trash where as I don't have an issue with them. I've seen reviewers say G29 pedals are better then the T-GT pedals and the only thing I would agree is better is the spacers under the pedal faces as this positions G29 pedals better for heel/toe driving and I've found the T-GT to be uncomfortable for heel/toe. But I think with the brake mod I prefer the T-GT pedals over the G29. The G29 pedals have a slightly more natural feel but I preferred the progressive resistance more in the T-GT pedals and they worked better for me especially in GT Sport. The other thing is I had no issues with calibration that others reported even with the brake mod.

Another thing I noticed in the T-GT that was new to me in a belt driven wheel was how responsive and quick the wheel is and how it sometimes felt a bit like a more powerful logitech wheel. I don't recall any belt driven wheel feeling like this but none are fresh in my mind and as I've gone directly from testing a G29 to testing the T-GT it might just be the extra power. This alone is something that made me hesitate about wanting to return it and although I don't think he mentioned it directly Shaun Cole has talked about the differences in feel between the T-GT and the CSW and I wondered if it might be related to this.

Of course another difference I already mentioned is I thought the vibration effect was poorly implemented. Other reviewers have said positive things about this feature but the truth is if the no GT mode of the wheel had the same base FFB feeling I would have used that mode in GT Sport so I feel the vibration motor was wasted and not for me. I imagine an update could change my view about that feature easily.

Also as I already mentioned the lack of functionality of the press button feature of the dials and of the dials and thumbsticks outside of GT Sport is something I did not pick up from other reviews. I pretty much agree with the review that are out there in other areas.

 

[PocketZeven]

2 weeks but it arrived 8 days ago. I don't know about other members, I didn't post a review of the T-GT firstly because I was disappointed and I wanted to see if time would change the way I feel and secondly because my review would have mostly been a clone of what other reviews have already pointed out.

But there are a few small differences of opinion I have from some other reviews.

I mostly like the pedals and think reviewers have been overly critical of them. I think this largely stems from the common view that pot pedals are trash where as I don't have an issue with them. I've seen reviewers say G29 pedals are better then the T-GT pedals and the only thing I would agree is better is the spacers under the pedal faces as this positions G29 pedals better for heel/toe driving and I've found the T-GT to be uncomfortable for heel/toe. But I think with the brake mod I prefer the T-GT pedals over the G29. The G29 pedals have a slightly more natural feel but I preferred the progressive resistance more in the T-GT pedals and they worked better for me especially in GT Sport. The other thing is I had no issues with calibration that others reported even with the brake mod.

Another thing I noticed in the T-GT that was new to me in a belt driven wheel was how responsive and quick the wheel is and how it sometimes felt a bit like a more powerful logitech wheel. I don't recall any belt driven wheel feeling like this but none are fresh in my mind and as I've gone directly from testing a G29 to testing the T-GT it might just be the extra power. This alone is something that made me hesitate about wanting to return it and although I don't think he mentioned it directly Shaun Cole has talked about the differences in feel between the T-GT and the CSW and I wondered if it might be related to this.

Of course another difference I already mentioned is I thought the vibration effect was poorly implemented. Other reviewers have said positive things about this feature but the truth is if the no GT mode of the wheel had the same base FFB feeling I would have used that mode in GT Sport so I feel the vibration motor was wasted and not for me. I imagine an update could change my view about that feature easily.

Also as I already mentioned the lack of functionality of the press button feature of the dials and of the dials and thumbsticks outside of GT Sport is something I did not pick up from other reviews. I pretty much agree with the review that are out there in other areas.

Personally I like the transducer. Would be better if you had some kind of “volume” settings for it though. In the mean time I am enjoying the T-GT and hope I can get that bodin loadcell mod soon! Also suddenly the TH8A stopped working in GT sport (works in other games). I remember clearly it worked before. Very annoying , but hopefully this will be patched soon! There goes my plug and playability right out the door!

Whenever the full CSL support is fully implemented by GT sport and Pcars 2 I will be happy to give Fanatec some of my money and sell of my Thrustmaster setup. That’s why I’m keeping a close eye on personal reviews and opinions. It seems most reviews on YouTube are either thrustmaster biased or fanatec biased. So would really appreciate your insights when you finally receive your setup on how it runs on GT sport and PCars 2.

 

[7HO]

Personally I like the transducer. Would be better if you had some kind of “volume” settings for it though. In the mean time I am enjoying the T-GT and hope I can get that bodin loadcell mod soon! Also suddenly the TH8A stopped working in GT sport (works in other games). I remember clearly it worked before. Very annoying , but hopefully this will be patched soon! There goes my plug and playability right out the door!

Whenever the full CSL support is fully implemented by GT sport and Pcars 2 I will be happy to give Fanatec some of my money and sell of my Thrustmaster setup. That’s why I’m keeping a close eye on personal reviews and opinions. It seems most reviews on YouTube are either thrustmaster biased or fanatec biased. So would really appreciate your insights when you finally receive your setup on how it runs on GT sport and PCars 2.

If you don't want to wait for the Bodin loadcell mod make your own. Beam loadcells are cheap and I've seen a mod using the Leo Bodnar load cell amp which is very cheap. Of course it isn't done for you and it would be a little tricky if you want to build a Bodin style mod that doesn't void your warranty but my thinking is they are cheap simple pedals so personally I'd never make a warranty claim on the pedals anyway and just fix them myself if anything ever went wrong. I'd open them up and conceal the Bodnar load cell amp making the wiring a bit easier. That's what i was planning on doing before I decided to send mine back.

 

[PocketZeven]

If you don't want to wait for the Bodin loadcell mod make your own. Beam loadcells are cheap and I've seen a mod using the Leo Bodnar load cell amp which is very cheap. Of course it isn't done for you and it would be a little tricky if you want to build a Bodin style mod that doesn't void your warranty but my thinking is they are cheap simple pedals so personally I'd never make a warranty claim on the pedals anyway and just fix them myself if anything ever went wrong. I'd open them up and conceal the Bodnar load cell amp making the wiring a bit easier. That's what i was planning on doing before I decided to send mine back.

Would love to but I’m not really handy. Hence my preference for plug and playability. Thanks for the tip though!

 

[SeerreuS]

Personally I like the transducer. Would be better if you had some kind of “volume” settings for it though. In the mean time I am enjoying the T-GT and hope I can get that bodin loadcell mod soon! Also suddenly the TH8A stopped working in GT sport (works in other games). I remember clearly it worked before. Very annoying , but hopefully this will be patched soon! There goes my plug and playability right out the door!

Whenever the full CSL support is fully implemented by GT sport and Pcars 2 I will be happy to give Fanatec some of my money and sell of my Thrustmaster setup. That’s why I’m keeping a close eye on personal reviews and opinions. It seems most reviews on YouTube are either thrustmaster biased or fanatec biased. So would really appreciate your insights when you finally receive your setup on how it runs on GT sport and PCars 2.

I loved the transducer on a very rigid all metal rig like the f1 gt. And I didn't see why people would say that it wasn't constant and didn't have an immersive feel, I totally disagree with this. I felt the vibration when I was suppose to and all over the rig, when I hit rumble strips especially. For those who have the wheel try going on and off the strips and then tell me that the vibration isn't accurate. The transducer works the best when attached to a solid rig, the vibration travels throughout especially in the peddles.

 

[7HO]

I loved the transducer on a very rigid all metal rig like the f1 gt. And I didn't see why people would say that it was constant and didn't have an immersive feel, I totally disagree with this. I felt the vibration when I was suppose to and all over the rig, when I hit rumble strips especially. For those who have the wheel try going on and off the strips and then tell me that the vibration isn't accurate. The transducer works the best when attached to a solid rig, the vibration travels throughout especially in the peddles.

My rig is solid fully welded constructed in 25mm box steel and sheet metal. I can feel the rumble in my peddles. While the curb feeling is nice everything else the motor does wasn't as great. Since the update I especially feel the vibration is overdone. The constant vibration doesn't feel authentic to me and the feeling of tyre slip also doesn't feel authentic to me.

But I'm glad you enjoy it. We simply disagree. It is good that people can see that experiences and opinions may vary.

 

[Matty28]

I loved the transducer on a very rigid all metal rig like the f1 gt. And I didn't see why people would say that it was constant and didn't have an immersive feel, I totally disagree with this. I felt the vibration when I was suppose to and all over the rig, when I hit rumble strips especially. For those who have the wheel try going on and off the strips and then tell me that the vibration isn't accurate. The transducer works the best when attached to a solid rig, the vibration travels throughout especially in the peddles.

What's it like attached to a somewhat wobbly desk not connected to you or the pedals at all?

 

[SeerreuS]

My rig is solid fully welded constructed in 25mm box steel and sheet metal. I can feel the rumble in my peddles. While the curb feeling is nice everything else the motor does wasn't as great. Since the update I especially feel the vibration is overdone. The constant vibration doesn't feel authentic to me and the feeling of tyre slip also doesn't feel authentic to me.

But I'm glad you enjoy it. We simply disagree. It is good that people can see that experiences and opinions may vary.

Yes it is, and until I own a true but-kicker the transducer is as close as I'll get.

 

[SeerreuS]

What's it like attached to a somewhat wobbly desk not connected to you or the pedals at all?

I'm not sure, but if the vibration isn't directed in a preferred way, like through a wooden desk, I can only imagine it maybe being somewhat annoying.

 

[PocketZeven]

What's it like attached to a somewhat wobbly desk not connected to you or the pedals at all?

You probably will only feel it in your hands. It is quite subtle and to me it feels realistic. But I drive a car with quite stiff suspension in real life so it might be different for others. Really like the feeling of the bumps and engine vibration through the wheel. It’s like the steering column is connected to the engine. It doesn’t make any loud sounds though.

 

[crowhop]

Why don't you try it out by yourself? We will send you a CSL and if you like you can make a review here at GT Planet and let the others know.

If you like the CSL Wheel better then you keep it and if not then you just send it back and get a full refund incl. shipping cost.

Send me a PM if you are interested.

It is remarkable to me the quality of the Fanatec lineup. And also noteworthy just how little the general sim racing community knows about how your products slot in with the rest of the makes and models available on the market.

September 2015 I purchased the Thrustmaster T300 Base. Black Friday 2016 I came very close to purchasing the Fanatec CSL gear, but decided to hold off for the CSW. At the time, money was tighter than it is now and it was my understanding the CSL Base was basically the equivalent of the T300 Base and wouldn't be much of an upgrade for me. Then the CSW v2.5 comes out and I decide to hold out for that. Not very much time later, rumors begin to swirl of a Fanatec Direct Drive option.

Now, of course, with more research and testers out there we know the T300 < T500 < TS-PC < T-GT < CSL < CSW. But at the time in 2016 and even until more recently, the CSL was, from what I understood, a lower end product roughly the equal or marginally better than the T300. At best, slotted between the T300 and TS-PC. The fact the CSL Base stands up to and is getting higher reviews than the substantially more expensive T-GT is incredible. Your willingness to have them compete head to head validates it all the more.

Now here in Fall 2017, I'm on my third T300 base and second Ferrari F1 TM rim (faulty hardware, RMAs) and, due to the immanent release of the Podium Series, again I am waiting to pull the trigger. If I had just purchased the CSL in 2016 I'd be racing with a substantially better product today. But I had no idea it was a substantially better product than the T300 until it was too late.

Black Friday 2017 I passed along the Fanatec CSL Deal to a friend of mine who also uses Thrustmaster gear, but isn't in the market for a +$500 wheel base. The question of whether or not it would be an upgrade for him came up. I had to show the reviews, but no purchase was made.

That's a lot of words to simply say your products are awesome. Most all my sim racing friends use them. So in order to get out of ahead of things, I went ahead and preordered the McLaren rim even though I don't have a Podium Base to mount it to...ha! I just wish it had been more clear until now just how well made your CSL products are in comparison to the competition.

 

[Tevydoxer]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum and new to the sim racing world, I don't know if I'm posting in the right section. I wanted to know what would you choose between TS-PC/TS-XW or T-GT, first racing wheel, which one has the best ffb? I'm going to use it mainly for PC (Assetto corsa, dirt 4, iracing, PC2....)

Thanks in advance and sorry for my english!

 

[crowhop]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum and new to the sim racing world, I don't know if I'm posting in the right section. I wanted to know what would you choose between TS-PC/TS-XW or T-GT, first racing wheel, which one has the best ffb? I'm going to use it mainly for PC (Assetto corsa, dirt 4, iracing, PC2....)

Thanks in advance and sorry for my english!

Fanatec CSL. Cheaper and better than the options you listed.

 

[7HO]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum and new to the sim racing world, I don't know if I'm posting in the right section. I wanted to know what would you choose between TS-PC/TS-XW or T-GT, first racing wheel, which one has the best ffb? I'm going to use it mainly for PC (Assetto corsa, dirt 4, iracing, PC2....)

Thanks in advance and sorry for my english!

Out of those I have only tried the T-GT which apparently is different to the other 2 and slightly more powerful. I have just returned the T-GT as I was not happy with the way it felt, I found the cogging annoying and didn't think it was acceptable in a wheel at this price point. If your main use is PC I wouldn't pick the T-GT as both of the others have nicer rims. The TS-PC is the least expensive so I'm sure that would be my choice for PC if I was forced to choose from those 3 but I personally would choose the CSL Elite over both of those because on paper it seems like better value especially with the Load Cell brake upgrade. And I said the same even when I thought I was keeping the T-GT before I was contacted about getting the CSL for review.

I'm about to get a CSL Elite for review, you might want to wait to hear my thoughts on that. I can't do a direct comparison as I have just returned the T-GT but my testing of it is fresh enough that I'll be able to speak about the differences and my thoughts about how they compare.

 

[PocketZeven]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum and new to the sim racing world, I don't know if I'm posting in the right section. I wanted to know what would you choose between TS-PC/TS-XW or T-GT, first racing wheel, which one has the best ffb? I'm going to use it mainly for PC (Assetto corsa, dirt 4, iracing, PC2....)

Thanks in advance and sorry for my english!

They basically have the same internals. If use it mainly for pc. Choose the one with your favorite rim!

 

[Matty28]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum and new to the sim racing world, I don't know if I'm posting in the right section. I wanted to know what would you choose between TS-PC/TS-XW or T-GT, first racing wheel, which one has the best ffb? I'm going to use it mainly for PC (Assetto corsa, dirt 4, iracing, PC2....)

Thanks in advance and sorry for my english!

You can't exclusively drive with a formula rim, so unless you want a formula rim as part of your first package and are willing to spend more on a round rim as well then the TS-XW is the best option of those. The transducer of the T-GT doesn't work on PC (yet) and there's no other reason for it to be £150 more than the TS-XW. But definitely consider the CSL E and also consider the T300 because I consider it a baseline of speed + accuracy + power and much cheaper but if you really like simracing you'll probably end up upgrading later anyway.

 

[PocketZeven]

It is remarkable to me the quality of the Fanatec lineup. And also noteworthy just how little the general sim racing community knows about how your products slot in with the rest of the makes and models available on the market.

September 2015 I purchased the Thrustmaster T300 Base. Black Friday 2016 I came very close to purchasing the Fanatec CSL gear, but decided to hold off for the CSW. At the time, money was tighter than it is now and it was my understanding the CSL Base was basically the equivalent of the T300 Base and wouldn't be much of an upgrade for me. Then the CSW v2.5 comes out and I decide to hold out for that. Not very much time later, rumors begin to swirl of a Fanatec Direct Drive option.

Now, of course, with more research and testers out there we know the T300 < T500 < TS-PC < T-GT < CSL < CSW. But at the time in 2016 and even until more recently, the CSL was, from what I understood, a lower end product roughly the equal or marginally better than the T300. At best, slotted between the T300 and TS-PC. The fact the CSL Base stands up to and is getting higher reviews than the substantially more expensive T-GT is incredible. Your willingness to have them compete head to head validates it all the more.

Now here in Fall 2017, I'm on my third T300 base and second Ferrari F1 TM rim (faulty hardware, RMAs) and, due to the immanent release of the Podium Series, again I am waiting to pull the trigger. If I had just purchased the CSL in 2016 I'd be racing with a substantially better product today. But I had no idea it was a substantially better product than the T300 until it was too late.

Black Friday 2017 I passed along the Fanatec CSL Deal to a friend of mine who also uses Thrustmaster gear, but isn't in the market for a +$500 wheel base. The question of whether or not it would be an upgrade for him came up. I had to show the reviews, but no purchase was made.

That's a lot of words to simply say your products are awesome. Most all my sim racing friends use them. So in order to get out of ahead of things, I went ahead and preordered the McLaren rim even though I don't have a Podium Base to mount it to...ha! I just wish it had been more clear until now just how well made your CSL products are in comparison to the competition.

Fanatec CSL. Cheaper and better than the options you listed.

Funny how this thread is taken over by CSL fans. Even though this is definitely a T-GT thread last time I read OP. Nonetheless currently the majority feel the CSL is the best product. I however am a happy T-GT owner who just happened to get a great deal on the wheel. I still like it very much and fully got used to the pedals too.

Out of those I have only tried the T-GT which apparently is different to the other 2 and slightly more powerful. I have just returned the T-GT as I was not happy with the way it felt, I found the cogging annoying and didn't think it was acceptable in a wheel at this price point. If your main use is PC I wouldn't pick the T-GT as both of the others have nicer rims. The TS-PC is the least expensive so I'm sure that would be my choice for PC if I was forced to choose from those 3 but I personally would choose the CSL Elite over both of those because on paper it seems like better value especially with the Load Cell brake upgrade. And I said the same even when I thought I was keeping the T-GT before I was contacted about getting the CSL for review.

I'm about to get a CSL Elite for review, you might want to wait to hear my thoughts on that. I can't do a direct comparison as I have just returned the T-GT but my testing of it is fresh enough that I'll be able to speak about the differences and my thoughts about how they compare.

Looking forward to the review! I am just a little bit in a conflict.

 

[F Inferno]

Funny how this thread is taken over by CSL fans. Even though this is definitely a T-GT thread last time I read OP. Nonetheless currently the majority feel the CSL is the best product. I however am a happy T-GT owner who just happened to get a great deal on the wheel. I still like it very much and fully got used to the pedals too.



Looking forward to the review! I am just a little bit in a conflict.

Interesting, I don't think anybody thought you were a Thrustmaster shill, you bought something new and have nothing but praise for it, nothing wrong with that. When I first got VR I spent the first few weeks telling everyone how amazing it was and flatscreen gaming is dead to me.

Where you need to be careful is in your assertations that the T-GT is better without actually trying a CSL Elite and spreading information on poor CSL support without making it clear that it's a software issue on the developers part not Fanatec's and is something which will be fixed.

CEOs of stuff like this have to deal with a lot of crap and it makes them jaded to the point giving people the benefit of the doubt usually isn't a good idea. Much as you are upset by his claims about you, your claims about Fanatec products are far more damaging and something he is passionate about and works on day in day out.

If you didn't keep bringing it up every time someone said the CSL was better than the T-GT I doubt he would have reacted. Obviously I'm aware people keep talking about it in this T-GT thread too but your issue isn't one most others are bothered by.

I think it's more just defending something you have bought but I say stop worrying about what other people think and enjoy it. It's like getting with a girl you thinks hot but your mates don't agree, who cares if it's good for you plus it means the wankers won't try and get with her behind your back .

 

[PocketZeven]

Interesting, I don't think anybody thought you were a Thrustmaster shill, you bought something new and have nothing but praise for it, nothing wrong with that. When I first got VR I spent the first few weeks telling everyone how amazing it was and flatscreen gaming is dead to me.

Where you need to be careful is in your assertations that the T-GT is better without actually trying a CSL Elite and spreading information on poor CSL support without making it clear that it's a software issue on the developers part not Fanatec's and is something which will be fixed.

CEOs of stuff like this have to deal with a lot of crap and it makes them jaded to the point giving people the benefit of the doubt usually isn't a good idea. Much as you are upset by his claims about you, your claims about Fanatec products are far more damaging and something he is passionate about and works on day in day out.

If you didn't keep bringing it up every time someone said the CSL was better than the T-GT I doubt he would have reacted. Obviously I'm aware people keep talking about it in this T-GT thread too but your issue isn't one most others are bothered by.

I think it's more just defending something you have bought but I say stop worrying about what other people think and enjoy it. It's like getting with a girl you thinks hot but your mates don't agree, who cares if it's good for you plus it means the wankers won't try and get with her behind your back .

Thanks for the response and actually reading my rant! I actually never claimed the T-GT was better in general. I am not a total idiot. I did say why I the T-GT was better for me personally. I try to be fully aware that people should make their own choices. I mentioned the lack of compatibility as one of the reasons by request of some users. But did it very respectfully and acknowledging Fanatec was working hard on it.

I did have a sorta “feud” with @Twstcrv over unnecessary bashing in multiple threads, but has since been resolved and all is good. I also try to avoid making comparisons myself, since I never owned a CSL.