Time Trial #55

[RacerGT85]

The first tune or the new one? I'm also using a DS3 and to my personal opinion the first tune was more "slidey" than the new one. My current best is a 01:08.089 ( using the new tune ) and I don't really count myself as a superfast person. So my time should be well within reach 👍
I don't use traction control as I think that the sliding actually helps me to get the car round the corner.
No massive drifts mind you but to the extent that you can "feel" it slide.

If I remember right its v2. I know oi was racing against pilot_dee's ghost and could only keep up until the second turn. Was running an average of 1.09.15x for a few laps couldnt get faster around the turns. Tried doing the lower power and more downforce with the rear wing. Guess im going to have to wait until thrusday to get my DFGT out of storage and make another go at it.

 

[Dalone]

A small reduction in the Eunos time, down to 1:8.040 @ position 483, cracked the 500 mark at least however had 3 tenths up at one stage.

On on.

 

[Adrenaline]

how do you tune the transmission so well?

Usually, set gears specifically to the track, for TT's like this.
Either so that a specific gear takes you through a specific gear, or so that you downshift at the right point, to get an extra 'pitch' from the car on entry, etc. etc.

 

[citycar]

So with the NASCAR TT i noticed there's seven people in the top 150 on the live rankings with ABS 10. Maybe i can try that and get up there too? 👍

Thanks for your continued generosity with your tunes Stotty

 

[SirAlanClive]

So with the NASCAR TT i noticed there's seven people in the top 150 on the live rankings with ABS 10. Maybe i can try that and get up there too? 👍
Thanks for your continued generosity with your tunes Stotty

Anyone care to comment on this? I've never really understood the difference between ABS 1 or 10. to me it seems more like an on/off thing. would ABS 10 be intrinsically slower?

 

[Stotty]

Personally, I've not found any advantage of running ABS higher than 1.

I'm pretty sure more in the top 10 will have tested it at some stage and would be using it if they thought it was better.

 

[citycar]

I suspect maybe you have to set the brake bias to the highest setting for front and rear and then the GT5 ABS does the hard work for you when you set ABS 10 on? That plus a wheelbarrow setup. eg if you can make setup that is very oversteer happy then that trait will override the way that GT5 driving aids slow cars down resulting in a car that can be driven faster more easily. So if you take one of these setups and compare it to a default setting (whilst driving aids are switched off) i think this will become apparent.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

ABS 10 simply allows more grip reserved to the tires when braking, allowing the car to turn while braking, at the expense of less braking power. ABS 1 allocate all of the tire grip for braking, and left only minimal grip for turning. Simple test, try to brake as hard as you can from high speed, keep braking while entering the corner ( turning the wheel ), try ABS 1 then ABS 10, same BB. The difference can only be felt when the front wheel is turning while braking, in straight line braking, the difference is minimal/almost unnoticeable.

 

[Stotty]

I haven't tested it in detail, but I have tried higher than 1 ABS settings on previous TT's and found no advantage in any part of the braking phase.

I'll try it again.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I did some testing last year, using JGTC Raybrig NSX at Fuji F, 1st corner braking from high speed, ABS 1, ABS 5, ABS 10, using 5/5 BB. Braking was done until deep into mid corner to upset the front wheel while turning, I think you will see some differences with higher ABS value.

 

[ripping_silk]

Finally got into the 12's at Spa. I've found this a little harder going than I was expecting.
Most of my speed has been gained from earlier application of the throttle, as it takes a long time for this engine to wind up from the lower revs, so getting on the power before you actually need it is key. Of course when the power does arrive, it does so with vengeance, so caution on the loud pedal is necessary.
Another tool is using the flat kerbs, making the corner just that little shorter, and faster. I probably don't gain more than perhaps a tenth or so over my previous times with this, but every little bit counts.
2:12.949
2:12.875

 

[Hellah]

Hi everyone,

Stotty, thank you for your tunes. Helped me a lot on the previous tt too. I'm playing with GT only since Christmas, I'm using ds3. Im following these tt threads since too. I have not played gt before, or used a controller. I was a pc gamer.
I was improving my times constantly, my best on tsukuba is 01:08:5xx currently. It's only temporary, I know, but I'm ranked around 800, so I'm very happy. I made a little adjustment to your tune, I lowered the ballast to 90 kg, on pos 50. This got me immediately from 01:09:2xx to my current best.

Spa is more trickier then tsukuba, the NASCAR is too. I was not able to get below 2:21 yet, as the track is longer, I need more time to figure out the best lines. Nascar isn't helping withit either.

 

[citycar]

A long time ago i did some tests with various ABS settings and for me the more abs i used the slower i went, however, i have found that it is dependent on the tune used with the car. Neutral settings will suffer greatly with the use of ABS, but more 'unstable' tunes appear to be less affected. So i believe the advantage will come through the trail braking.

This is similar to the experience i had where i mistakenly tuned a car on one of the recent SRF seasonals. I had to make the tune more 'radical' to get decent times out if the car. Then i realised that SRF had been forced on for that seasonal when i started taking the same tune to practice sessions and found that the tune was a waste of time. 5hrs of tuning lost/wasted IMO.

Mr Ripping, well done on that super fast time. I'll post my tune for spa soon, i believe it gets the power down well. I felt a lot of time was lost there too.

 

[Jaywalker]

Hi everyone,

...snip... Nascar isn't helping withit either.

Hi & welcome to Keep at it, those times will drop. 👍

 

[NCRthree]

Gave Spa a few runs last night. 2010 Montoya Chevy. Cockpit view no ABS or other aids. Used Stotty #2 but added some brake LSD. It's lively without ABS that's for sure, lol. Best from 45 min. session was 2:16.623. Started in the 19's.

I love that interactive leaderboard! Not that many using no aids. So for now I'm in the top 15 of no aids/wheel users, heh. Still 3 seconds off the leaders in that category though. Edit: I'm in 2nd place in North America-less than a second from the leader. Hey, I'll never be a top 100 guy but at least I can compete against others in my own little category.

 

[Going in Hot]

Nice lap, if I can figure out the last corner I may get close to you. If you don't go faster

Well, I got close but you went ahead and dropped a couple tenths. Nice job man.

Edit:Well that quote didn't work, Nice lap doodle.

 

[Dalone]

Happy that I've cracked into the 1:07 times with a 1:07.953 ... #470, using Killers loaner.

Of course it's mostly Stotty's tune.

Thanks for that you blokes.

Might have another look at the Spa again now.

 

[EuGenixX]

Finally. Just cracked into the 1:06 bracket.

1:06.900 good for 81st so far. I have a little bit I could improve. But there ain't much more in me.

 

[Czempion]

Stotty, your tune for NASCAR is AWESOME, thank you very much!

 

[EuGenixX]

Yeah. That tune gave me a 2 second improvement.

I think I'll start pouring more time into the NASCAR one now.

 

[leexr2i]

Just got my self a 1:07.362 good for 214th.. Was in front of the 10th place ghost for the 1st sector then out breaked my self a bit..
Lets see what spa has to offer..

 

[Stotty]

I'm sure there is a better place to ask this, but how do you tune the transmission so well? just found 1.3 seconds on my lap after switching to this tranny setup. The same thing happened for the NSX TT at Motegi. I can (kind of) tune suspension and everything else but when it comes to the transmission I’m hopeless...Can anyone point in a decent direction?

Thank you in advance.

The principle is to get as closely stacked a set of ratios as possible so you get the smallest drop in revs when you change gear.

The usual method I use is the standard ‘tranny flip’ that I think most tuners use…

1. Set the maximum speed bar to the minimum speed available.

2. Adjust top gear (in this case 4th) as far right on the slider as it will go.

3. Adjust the final until you get the top speed you want (the car doesn’t quite hit the rev limiter on the fastest straight)

4. Set 1st gear as far left as it will go

5. Spread the remaining gears equally between 1st and top gear

6. Run laps and fine tune the individual gears for particular parts of the track and to suit the power characteristics of the car

Slightly different with the NASCAR as it only has 4 gears… so 1st doesn’t work if it’s all the way left – it needs to be a bit shorter to enable good acceleration out of La Source and the final chicane.

 

[Lou8ball]

Managed a decent (for me) lap in the Mazda. Got a 1'07.42 would love to break into the 1'06s but not sure its possible for me.

Thanks for your tunes stotty - helped me get a grip in the slower corners and better turn in.

I made a few changes for my driving style and to suit the directional buttons for steering. I raised the rear ride to 25 - i found it gives more stability on corner exits - i found this in the last wrs too although it did seem to prevent the car stopping as quickly for turn 1. But as this is a less powerful car it doesn't seem to make too much difference.

 

[NCRthree]

Dropped down to 2:16.090. Still using Stotty's tune with no aids.

I got up on my ghost by almost half a second but would blow the last sectors, grrr. That chicane is driving me nuts! Either entering too fast or braking too soon. I know I'm losing lots of exit speed on almost all other turns too. Pouhon and Stavelot, I'm having a tough time with. Trying to figure out how much speed to carry through. My muscle memory seems to get stuck and exit speeds don't improve.

 

[WightSparky]

Back with the Eunos,
Made a slight improvement now 1:07.249. Im sure now i can knock another 2 tenths off.
1st sector very good, 3rd sector improved. Did not gain until i adjusted front toe to 0.03.
Going to play around in this area of toe as i think im losing a little mid corner speed but the exit is better.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

Well my controller has a crack in it and its cutting into my hand so no go on the TT for a bit better news, my G27 arrived today. I just have to wait until tomorrow to get my obutto cockpit and monitor. I'm off work tomorrow, then work Saturday, then start my 1 week vacation. Can't wait to try this TT out with a proper wheel, maybe I can actually keep it on the track now.

See you all next week with some better times!

 

[Stotty]

Well my controller has a crack in it and its cutting into my hand so no go on the TT for a bit better news, my G27 arrived today. I just have to wait until tomorrow to get my obutto cockpit and monitor. I'm off work tomorrow, then work Saturday, then start my 1 week vacation. Can't wait to try this TT out with a proper wheel, maybe I can actually keep it on the track now.

See you all next week with some better times!

If my experience is anything to go by, expect to be a lot slower and spend a lot of time spinning and crashing when you 1st start with a wheel... takes a bit of time to get used to one (well over a month for me)... but once you do, you'll love it

I doubt either of these TT's would be the easiest combo to start on either... try something with a bit less power and a bit more grip round somewhere like HSR to start 👍

 

[Going in Hot]

Well it appears I'm stuck in the .6s in the mazda. I'm improving by the .001ths. If I could not make some dumb mistakes I could improve a couple tenths but looks like that's it. I may be done with this one.

Who am I kidding, I'll give it another go but it seems like I need to learn some new techniques.

 

[WightSparky]

Well my controller has a crack in it and its cutting into my hand so no go on the TT for a bit better news, my G27 arrived today. I just have to wait until tomorrow to get my obutto cockpit and monitor. I'm off work tomorrow, then work Saturday, then start my 1 week vacation. Can't wait to try this TT out with a proper wheel, maybe I can actually keep it on the track now.

See you all next week with some better times!

Obutto very nice! Good solid build.
I would be jealous if i could fit one in the space i have.

 

[SAFFY]

Struggling to improve at Tsukuba. Just need to find 0.039 to get into the 06's but it's awfully difficult. I hate setting a time in the first session of a time trial and not beating it at all. I might give Spa another go to see if I can drop into mid 12's.

Edit: 1.06.905 after a solid 2 hours lol. I've been on for a 1.06.6XX but messed up at the last hairpin (damn). I think I can manage a 1.06.7 but only time will tell.