Time Trial Discussion

[Evilmuffin]

It's a combination of many things, but I would suggest trying this order. It will slow you down while you practice it, but pay dividends later. Faster people than me may have better suggestions.

• Start somewhere familiar with a long straight, good markers and a somewhat straightforward first corner. Maybe Monza (I know it is into a chicane corner 1, but it will work)
• Do a few laps in whatever car, using your current method of 'feeling the turn-in point', and figure out (maybe by watching replays of yourself) where that turn in point is for that corner. It could be just after a meter board, a change in colour in tarmac, a marshal (okay in GT7 as they are static, not okay in real life), etc.
• Now go again and brake a bit earlier than usual, so that speed is less of an issue. Keep your vision further forward than normal. As you go down the straight, look for the apex way before you need to, then bring your vision back to around the turn-in point (you may not see it yet) and then back to the braking point.
• As you start braking, look at the turn-in point and turn when you get there (then look at the apex) - should be easier since you are going slower. Coast a bit if you need to, given your lower speed. Now repeat quicker and quicker until you can brake again at your normal marker and are going at normal speed. Don't worry too much at this point where you are in relation to the apex.
• Once you brake in the same place and turn in at the same place consistently, now pay attention to where that takes you. If you always miss the apex long, take your turn-in point back a bit, or start braking a bit earlier. Always short of the apex - turn in a bit later or brake later.
• This is simplifying things a bit just for practice's sake, because really where you turn in depends also on where you want the car to be after the corner - that particular corner you want to turn in late to get to the right to open the left. Other corners will be different. But hopefully it gets you used to looking for a specific thing, using it, seeing the outcome and then adjusting as required. The more you practice this, the more the vision will be peripheral and 'automated' and the more brain power will be freed up for other things like shifting and trail braking, etc.

@zjn Read @half_sourly's post many times and have it drilled to your head

The braking earlier is probably the best advice. Brake earlier but with less braking force, this gives you extra time for your brain to process what needs to be done next. Once you are confortable, you can then push the braking point a bit.

Another thing is to work on your trail braking, but only after you are comfortable with the corner. Ajust the braking pressure during trail braking and see how it affects the car during turn in. Idealy you want the car feel a bit floaty without the rear swing out too much and need counter steer.

Anyway, take the advice from @half_sourly 👍

 

[zjn]

@zjn Read @half_sourly's post many times and have it drilled to your head

The braking earlier is probably the best advice. Brake earlier but with less braking force, this gives you extra time for your brain to process what needs to be done next. Once you are confortable, you can then push the braking point a bit.

Another thing is to work on your trail braking, but only after you are comfortable with the corner. Ajust the braking pressure during trail braking and see how it affects the car during turn in. Idealy you want the car feel a bit floaty without the rear swing out too much and need counter steer.

Anyway, take the advice from @half_sourly 👍

here in italy there was a tradition when I was growing up to say the Christmas poem by heart during Christmas lunch (in more conservative families the child would stand on the chair to be heard and seen by all the relatives present). You reminded me of that torture...feeling...I meant feeling....


that trail braking I dream about at night, at the moment if I want a floaty feeling I have to resort to beers, but I'll get there eventually!

 

[Gomario JSP]

Generic question:
now that I've improved a bit in determination and consistency of the braking point I'd like to start working a bit on the entry point, but unless I'm in decidedly slow cars, I'm struggling to manage shifting, braking, finding apex plus using the turn-in point in that little times. The result is that I don't have a reference turn-in point, and I turn by feel aiming for the apex.

The result of this behavior is that I struggle to make adjustments when I realize I am anticipating the apex too much (I rarely attempt to delay it, instead missing it I am a phenomenon.... 😜 ), I struggle to judge how much the steering angle is varying, and in general there is a lot of variability at that stage.

Are there any suggestions for approaching this issue?

Thanks

That's kind of a difficult question now I think of it for a while, and thought to myself .. .. how do I manage it?...
And I have absolutely no clue?!....
I think I have sort of a descent GT7 track knowlage ( although some layouts I havent done or don't remember like Suzuka East ) but I think nowadays all my turning points are from following faster ghosts....
I just load the fastest ghost available and try to follow it while I totally fix on brakepoints first cause if your brakepoint isnt spot on you will never hit a good apex ... from there it's trail and error, to fast....to slow....playing with braking later etc etc... and try to be as close to the ghost...

But I think @half_sourly his explanation is a lot better 😁😁🤣

 

[330_D]

That's kind of a difficult question now I think of it for a while, and thought to myself .. .. how do I manage it?...
And I have absolutely no clue?!....
I think I have sort of a descent GT7 track knowlage ( although some layouts I havent done or don't remember like Suzuka East ) but I think nowadays all my turning points are from following faster ghosts....
I just load the fastest ghost available and try to follow it while I totally fix on brakepoints first cause if your brakepoint isnt spot on you will never hit a good apex ... from there it's trail and error, to fast....to slow....playing with braking later etc etc... and try to be as close to the ghost...

But I think @half_sourly his explanation is a lot better 😁😁🤣

This is me, but I'm slower than ^ that guy. 😂

 

[Jeje6410]

First test in Grand Valley and I love this Red Bull X2019 in this Track !!!!
1'28'295 with optimal time at 1'28'091