Time Trial Discussion
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I almost felt one with the C9 tonight. I was smoother and had far fewer track limit penalties (though I still picked up a handful over the session) than my previous attempts. Overall, the lap was very positive. Lost some time turning too late into Tetre Rouge and couldn't get back onto the gas as early as I would have liked. I'm sure I lost a couple tenths there. I also didn't get a good launch out of the final chicane to begin the lap. So, there's at least another half second on the table if not more if I keep pushing. Happy to be in the 3:22's.
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Now if three of you (you know who you are) could all just go on holiday at the same time for a 2 week period during one of the time trials, that would be great.
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Damn.... i'm almost off your board...., i got to put some time in le Mans
Did run some laps today tho, had my ghost at 0.7 seconds in front and was IN FRONT of it before "virage du raccordement" .....
where the damn salami got me again....., that was my 23.8 or something...but 22?!!!....
Good job alien....
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I'm just a fart away from the silver zone (5.05% with current world record) but I still have room for improvement everywhere. Also in this lap I overshoot Mulesane and Arnage, so hopefully just having them clean will be 0,5s worth.
I have to change couple of bad habits that here and with this car (C9) are killing
First anticipation: turning requires lot of anticipation, give the car time to understand and accomodate the input request. This is expecially true in the second part of the chicanes
Second braking: it's no sense here brake 1mt late and risk to delay the moment of goging back on gas
Special mention to track limits: I know I'm wrong but I get the feeling that they are car dependent. Most probably cars make very different things here, and using a different car exposes to different way to brake limits.
I will post something more specific later on, if I'm able to get the pictures I took
I have to change couple of bad habits that here and with this car (C9) are killing
First anticipation: turning requires lot of anticipation, give the car time to understand and accomodate the input request. This is expecially true in the second part of the chicanes
Second braking: it's no sense here brake 1mt late and risk to delay the moment of goging back on gas
Special mention to track limits: I know I'm wrong but I get the feeling that they are car dependent. Most probably cars make very different things here, and using a different car exposes to different way to brake limits.
I will post something more specific later on, if I'm able to get the pictures I took
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- Hasnain282
It'll be comfort soft tyres apparently, they should work in both conditions
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- Espanjolicos
I hope it is, that should be a lot of fun!, could be legit tho, i got spammed on socials with the time attack on Tsukuka irl. so my hopes are up!,Had this posted in the GT Discord, from what I can gather it looks like this might be the next Time Trial.
Pretty fun combo, it will be a nice challenge to play around in the wet for a change. Looking forward to it.
(whilst the topic is alive, happy to add/accept any friend requests for leaderboard purposes too - my PSN is in my sig)
Short - roadcar - tight corners - let's go!
What i learned driving the group C cars and where i did gain a LOT of time is letting the car coast longer than you would expect, and that makes powering out in 3th for example a lot easier, still tricky tho, i saw @Dolph Drago powering out in 2th on the tight corners, i'll try that alien technique
But the last chicane is hell, i still don't get it right and stuff the majority of my laps up right there.
I either take the salami or i am to far to the left, my brain does not have anything in between lol.
Tracklimits i do understand what you are refering to, maby it's just a feeling, but they are no friends with my C9
and once you start getting those penalties, they just keep comming
Keep pushing, the more you try, the closer you will get!
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- blanconiglio
On Le Mans how much time do you think is lost (if any) due to automatic gearing?
I'm not sure on how much room for improvement I realistically have..
Btw if any of you got time and wanted to experiment doing a couple of laps and post the results I would be very greatful
I'm not sure on how much room for improvement I realistically have..
Btw if any of you got time and wanted to experiment doing a couple of laps and post the results I would be very greatful
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- half_sourly
Meanwhile 2,500 miles away from my PS5...
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Having no luck improving, so went for a few laps in AT. Was about 2 seconds slower.On Le Mans how much time do you think is lost (if any) due to automatic gearing?
I'm not sure on how much room for improvement I realistically have..
Btw if any of you got time and wanted to experiment doing a couple of laps and post the results I would be very greatful
YMMV.
Your time is very good for an AT lap
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I think a lot. Exiting for the chicanes and the low speed turns is easier and more rewarding with 1 or 2 higher gears.
The effect is exasperated with Group C
With C9 (and TCS2) I tested exactly this yesterday: out of Mulsanne, gear 2 vs gear 3
for the very first couple of seconds gear 2 seems better (if you can avoid wheelspin), but it's just an illusion. at the moment you shift up you start loosing
exiting in gear 3 seems to be slower, but then it start kicking in
This also means the more speed you can carry into the corner, the quicked the "gear 3 kicking in" happens
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Couldn't complete a clean lap this morning. The Sauber is probably the best car but I'm not the best driver for this car.
I've also re-tested the Nissan - based on @bianconiglio recommandation - and I feel more confident with this one. With a clean lap, it should be doable.
8 days on the clock to secure my silver...
I've also re-tested the Nissan - based on @bianconiglio recommandation - and I feel more confident with this one. With a clean lap, it should be doable.
8 days on the clock to secure my silver...
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Oh lawd I hope it's a wet track!!!Had this posted in the GT Discord, from what I can gather it looks like this might be the next Time Trial.
Pretty fun combo, it will be a nice challenge to play around in the wet for a change. Looking forward to it.
(whilst the topic is alive, happy to add/accept any friend requests for leaderboard purposes too - my PSN is in my sig)
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Back to my previous rant about track limits, I'm putting togheter some DRAFT comments.
DRAFT meaning that in same case I'm not sure about it.
The objenctive would be to get same consensus about where track limits lies in the LeMans TT.
For turns not mentioned track limits are at least 2 wheels on the curb or Not Applicable, meaning that there is sand/grass and penalty is not needed.
Dunlop
At least two wheels on the curb. Not sure about the very last curb before the dunlop bridge, where I have the feeling that it's possible to go wider than that, if all 4 wheels come back on track before the curb ends
Tetre Rouge
At least two wheels on the curb for the right handers, it's possible to go wider than that, if all 4 wheels come back on track before the curb ends for the left curb on the exit
Playstation
For the very exit I feel the red-pencilled piece is usable if two wheels at least rejoin before the final curb (I'm not saying that it's good racing line, but sometimes understeer can take you there and it is good to know that you can get away with it)
Mulsanne
Two wheels at least within the white line, approacing the turn. Sand limited at exit
Indianapolis
I think that even a wheel in the red-penciled area drawns a penalty
Karting (is it the name? it's the fast chicane just before the pit entry)
I feel that for the second part is possible to go wide beyond the curb with 4 wheels, provided that that whole car is within the white line when the curb ends
Final chicane
I thinks all 4 wheels should be within the red sausage, and that all 4 wheels should stay within the curb at exit.
For the very last curb one I'm really unsure, I think sometimes I went away with it because I was forces to stay off the gas due to bad racing line and that avoided penalty
Are you seeing something different?
DRAFT meaning that in same case I'm not sure about it.
The objenctive would be to get same consensus about where track limits lies in the LeMans TT.
For turns not mentioned track limits are at least 2 wheels on the curb or Not Applicable, meaning that there is sand/grass and penalty is not needed.
Dunlop
At least two wheels on the curb. Not sure about the very last curb before the dunlop bridge, where I have the feeling that it's possible to go wider than that, if all 4 wheels come back on track before the curb ends
Tetre Rouge
At least two wheels on the curb for the right handers, it's possible to go wider than that, if all 4 wheels come back on track before the curb ends for the left curb on the exit
Playstation
For the very exit I feel the red-pencilled piece is usable if two wheels at least rejoin before the final curb (I'm not saying that it's good racing line, but sometimes understeer can take you there and it is good to know that you can get away with it)
Mulsanne
Two wheels at least within the white line, approacing the turn. Sand limited at exit
Indianapolis
I think that even a wheel in the red-penciled area drawns a penalty
Karting (is it the name? it's the fast chicane just before the pit entry)
I feel that for the second part is possible to go wide beyond the curb with 4 wheels, provided that that whole car is within the white line when the curb ends
Final chicane
I thinks all 4 wheels should be within the red sausage, and that all 4 wheels should stay within the curb at exit.
For the very last curb one I'm really unsure, I think sometimes I went away with it because I was forces to stay off the gas due to bad racing line and that avoided penalty
Are you seeing something different?
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In a racing sense I get it, but for TTing I don't know why it takes so long to assign a penalty. Gaining an advantage in a race is quantifiable as there are other cars/drivers to compare time deltas against; in TT it's just you and the clock. If I go over the track limits (as ambiguous as they can be) just hit me with the pen rather than making me wait in suspense for five seconds.
In fact, forget the pen, just null the lap and let me keep going so it's not ruining TWO laps. This is particularly painful at Daytona R.C. as where the game drops you off for your opening lap you can't carry as much speed as a live lap. So once you hit the S/F line you're going that much slower. So a track limit pen kills that lap, the next lap, and if you restart... kills that lap too.
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I see what you are saying about gaining advantage/microsector time, but the point I was trying to make in my original post is that I don't think it's true to assume everywhere in this track that at least 2 wheels on the curb are the correct positioning to avoid penalties
For example, Indianapolis turn is more restrictive (I think no wheels can completely fall off the curb), while Playstation chicane-very last part is the opposite.
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- Highlanderlast
You fast ninjas that are driving Sauber Mercedes C9, when it's best to shift? When bar reaches end of push it even more? RPM?
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- Rash-182
Tried it and I'm back at 27 flat while leaving 1sec on the table so more or less the same I'm able to do with other cars.
Like seriously people, how on earth you're doing anything below 25 is beyond me.
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I reckon you are both right.
It is obvious that you don't automatically get a penalty for breaching track limits - but, after giving it another go tonight, I'm quite stunned at how much you can get away with...
I wonder how 'gaining an advantage' is measured - against one's own track record, or against the general record? I'd have thought it was the former, but I reckon it is the latter...
I cut the second chicane on Hunaudieres ridiculously and gained 0.7s in the process over my ghost, and.... no penalty. I'm a bit perplexed by that, because I clearly gained an advantage and was way off the track... that said, I reckon I'm still so bad at some corner that I can screw them up royally and still be considered by the AI to be within normal bounds, even if I'm so far off the track I could grab lunch from the burger van at the Beausejour campsite in the process.
P.S. My best time in the Sauber C9 is 3:26.6xx, so I can't be that bad if I'm Silver...
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