Time Trial Discussion

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This is a statistical analysis of the overall result of 3 TTs, especially oriented to understand correlations between Dailies Ranks and TT Ranks, if any. I’ve chosen the last one (Catalunya Gr3) as a quite “standard” TT, but also I’ve chosen the Sardegna one (probably the most easy, looking at the percentage figures of gold medals) and Nordschleife (on the opposite side, don’t think I need to explain why 😊)

Here are some data together with an explanation. The latter one is obviously my explanation, not necessarily the right explanation.

Note: all the times have been normalized against the best time of the specific TT. Therefore 100 means the world record, 103 means the gold threshold, 105 silver threshold, 110 is bronze threshold.

First of all: how are min, average and max times spread across the different rankings?

Min: they are all quite close, no matter the rank. Looks like some good drivers don’t pay too much attention at Dailies

Average: here you start seeing some difference against the ranks. This difference is bigger when the challenge is harder

Max: this amplifies the difference seen in the average. Also here comes into the picture the abandon rate (also A or B drivers will score high lap times if don’t put too much effort in the challenge and maybe do just couple of laps) [Note: picture clips at 150]

Standard deviation: the worsts the raking the spreader the figures. The harder the challenge, the spreader the figures

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By now the only surprise is maybe the min distribution. Seeing also lower ranked people pointing gold times was not expected to me.

Let’s go now to distributions: I was expecting some sort of gaussians, maybe overlapping a bit, but it’s not really the case.

Sardegna
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Catalunya
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Nordschleife

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First of all, the distributions are not symmetrical. I think this is due to the fact the training on the TT lowers times. Therefore, the left-side of the distribution rise quicker that the right-side decrease. Note: data at the right is cut at 110

Aliens (rank S): they are not kind enough to provide enough data, and they are not kind enough to go slow, therefore I don’t want to talk about them.
Just kidding, these data shows consistency and performance at a very high degree. They are really great!

In these trends also the different difficulties of the TT is easy to spot.

Final note about shapes: it’s not a gaussian, it’s not symmetrical, but... what are the two humps seen in most of the trends? I think it’s evidence of the effort of the people. The gold and silver threshold is responsible for them. If PD doesn’t pay out starting from the medal, but just starting from the percentage, with non-step rules, I think we would not have seen them.
 
Size of the wing doesn't matter, except the looks. As long it's custom, the same maximum downforce is available.
Thanks.

Another question for the tuners. What is the benefit of increasing the wheel size to 20"? Does that not limit the ability to reduce ride height, and since lower ride height I believe is a good thing, wouldn't you rather have a smaller wheel diameter so that you can reduce ride height more? I presume, as will all tuning inputs, there is a trade-off; I'm just not sure what it is.
 
Thanks.

Another question for the tuners. What is the benefit of increasing the wheel size to 20"? Does that not limit the ability to reduce ride height, and since lower ride height I believe is a good thing, wouldn't you rather have a smaller wheel diameter so that you can reduce ride height more? I presume, as will all tuning inputs, there is a trade-off; I'm just not sure what it is.
I'm not sure that aspect makes any difference. I usually make the rim size as small as I can (provided it doesn't look ridiculous) based on the IRL logic of More Sidewall = More roll & grip in the corners, but I don't actually believe it translates as such in GT7.
 
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Thanks.

Another question for the tuners. What is the benefit of increasing the wheel size to 20"? Does that not limit the ability to reduce ride height, and since lower ride height I believe is a good thing, wouldn't you rather have a smaller wheel diameter so that you can reduce ride height more? I presume, as will all tuning inputs, there is a trade-off; I'm just not sure what it is.
The tire is the same size no matter what your wheel diameter is, so your ride height won't be affected. I haven't tested to see the effects of wheel size (diameter) on the cars overall handling, but if PD has built in any handling characteristics to the wheel diameter that would be similar to the real world, then larger diameter wheels should decrease overall performance as the tire wall will be decreased leading to a harsher, less compliant ride. A slightly taller tire wall should lead to the tires ability to soak up a bump and have a bit more pliability around the turns to aid in overall traction. But again, I don't know if PD built in any of these characteristics to the tire size options.
 
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Here's my tune.
-Wide body
-20" wheels wide/wide
-all weight reductions and rigidity added
-LOW charger (not sure if it makes difference what to choose)
-full lsd
-ballast
-brake balance controller
-Programmable ECU
-Power restrictor
-carbon brakes and racing pads
-racing silencer
-Etc, can seen on pics what I used and how to setup ECU and power restrictor to get 443hp
-CSA strong! helps to tame this beast, would say its possible to drive with it off, but its easyer to get good lap it on

Transmission, set final, set auto 300kmh, set individual gears. I think that I used 3.400final so your individual gear ratios might be slightly different than mine.

And last, on last corner, try to stay on 3rd gear when going on the throttle. If you carry enough speed, car will not bog down.




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Thanks. What change have you made on front, side and the wing?
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As I can't play till I get off work, I spent my time here wisely. Looking up tunes and realized what a pain it is to find some of them.

Top row is who is credited for putting in the work. If anyone doesn't want their tune listed like this please PM me and I will happily delete it from here. Also recommend anyone who uses these tunes to find a way to thank whoever did it so they know they are appreciated and hopefully keep putting in the work to help all of us part time players. Also if you have revised your tune since this post just let me know and I will update the info.
@Jeje6410 @Mistah_MCA @sdi_03 @praiano63 @Dazzerelli
Edit: Added @djolliea tune
Jeje6410Mistah_MCASDI_03Praiano63 (RH 700 Based)GT Italia (YT)DazzerelliDjolliea
Weight Distribution:51//4952//4851//4954//46 (2740 lbs)51//4953//4751//49
Front: Sport Soft(RH)
Rear: Sport Soft(RH)
Custom Parts:
Front: Type B
Side: Type A
Rear: --
Wing: Medium Type 07
FC Suspension : F // R
(Fully Custom Suspension)
Body Height Adjustment:113//128110//12090//175115//190115//135115//19090//160
Anti-Roll Bar:4//54//68//104//68//74//65//5
Damping Ratio (Comp):35//3530//3040//4035//3534//3335//3530//30
Damping Ratio (Exp):45//4540//4030//5045//4544//4345//4540//40
Natural Frequency:2.4//2.453.2//3.353//1.82.45//2.42.8//2.72.45//2.42.7//2.95
Negative Camber Angle:1.5//21.5//1.51.2//02//2.51.5//22//2.52//2.5
Toe Angle:-.06//.240//00//0.05//.30//.2.05//.3.1//.2
(Fully Custom LSD)
Initial Torque:551281557
Acceleration Sensitivity:58601215810
Braking Sensitivity:205382060540
Aerodynamics : F // R
Downforce:120//210120//212120//22074//220120//220120//21090//220
ECU
(Fully Custom Computer)
Output Adjustment: 91 %919985928910086
Performance Adjustment :
Ballast: 57 kg575757N/A575757
Ballast Positioning: +50503550N/A50050
Power Restrictor: 70 %707192N/A848770
FC TransmissionFull CustomFull CustomFC RaceFC Race
Top Speed:300290230
1st:2.8712.8713.942.6672.871
2nd:2.1782.1782.5482.0662.178
3rd:1.8471.8472.0141.681.847
4th:1.6111.6111.6761.4051.611
5th:1.4441.4441.421.2151.444
6th:1.3021.3021.2421.0961.302
Final:2.7382.7383.2042.7362.738
SUPERCHARGER
Turbocharger: --
Anti-lag: --
Anti-lag settings: --
Intercooler: --RaceRace
Supercharger:HS SuperHS SuperLS SupHS SuperHS Super
INTAKE & EXHAUST
Air Cleaner: racingRaceRaceRaceRaceRaceRaceRace
Silencer: semi-racingSemi raceRaceRaceSemi raceRaceRaceRace
Exhaust Manifold: --RaceRaceRaceRace
BRAKES
Brake System:RaceRaceCarbonRaceRaceRaceCarbon
Brake Pads:RaceRaceRaceRaceRaceRaceRace
Handbrake: --%
Brake Balance:
Front / Rear Balance:-2-2
DRIVETRAIN
Clutch & Flywheel: --RaceRaceRaceRaceRace
Propeller Shaft: --
ENGINE TUNING
Bore Up: installedYesYesYesYesYesYes
Engine Balance Tuning:YesYesYesYes
Polish Ports:YesYesYesYes
High Lift Camshaft:YesYesYesYes
Racing Crank Shaft:YesYesYesYes
BODYWORK
Weight Reduction:AllAllAllAllAllAllAll
Increase Body Rigidity:YesYesYesYesYesYesYes
 
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Made some adjustments to my tune and improved previous time by over half a second. Currently p42 with 1:27.9xx. No TC or other assists except ABS.

EDIT: This seems to be one of those TTs where taking it easy yields far better results than pushing hard. For me atleast.
 
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By now the only surprise is maybe the min distribution. Seeing also lower ranked people pointing gold times was not expected to me.
probably people that don't race online but are good drivers anyway. I don't count myself among good drivers, I do few online races, yet I try to gold everything I can in game, and since the last TT in Sport Mode I've discovered a new fun exercice. With somewhat of a decent reward even for bronze.
 
I hate this car.
I hate this car.
I hate this car.

I almost wasn't able to match my record from yesterday, until I finally did. Then, I looked at the setup and wondered if there's any "hotfix" that I could do on short notice.

Well, I moved the ballast all the way to the back, as it was in the middle as I merely just added weight to satisfy the 1300kg requirement :lol:

Car instantly felt better, but it took me time to get accustomed to this new handling, and the end result was this:

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I basically still don't have a setup for the car, only lowered the front anti-roll bar by one click and applied maximum downforce. Let's see if this time will hold, I won't expect it to, but who knows. I'm done for now, only coming back when it's about to end.

See you in one week, you stupid horse.
 
I'm a mediocre driver and currently my best lap is 1:29.642 after what seems like a 100 runs around the track. Still outside the top 3%.

I've been playing with several tunes but the one by @Mistah_MCA has been the most drivable so far. I have two Mustangs. One that has all the (non-removable) engine mods and one set up like @Mistah_MCA's tune.

Interestingly, the one with the non-removable mods is higher rev'ing but ultimately has about 30 less torque. That also had an initial, but tweaked suspension tune from Exeter GT. But I was surprised that the PP is higher and the acceleration and G forces were rated higher than the Mistah_MCA tune. I set my initial best laps with the Mistah tune and then switched back to my other car. Surprisingly I was quicker with that but driving it felt like I was much more on a knife's edge and it wasn't often I was able to complete a lap without some mishap. I tried porting over Mistah's suspension to the other car and that did not drive the same; must be how the power comes on differently. I'm still tweaking the gear ratios so perhaps that would help. It's getting close as to which car is quicker now. Both are driving with no aids.

But it got me thinking. If the PP/acceleration/G-force are higher, does it matter that the torque is lower? Typically I would think it be better to have higher torque but perhaps that is just limited in how much this car can put down anyway?

On a side note: my ghosts are killing me! I do not reset my ghosts in each sector as I find the ghost jump distracting. I have the ghosts set .7s ahead and usually that is fine, but each time, like literally every time, I am .4+ seconds up and the ghost is right in front of me, either shortly after I press the button to hide ghosts, I crash out.. Or, I leave the ghost and it obscures my view and I crash out. This has happened three consecutive times now. I should figure this out and if I were not such an idiot I could be in the top 3% now. :rolleyes:


Do you adjust the gear box or leave it at its automatic adjustment for 230kph?
 
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Lots of practice!

I’m a low DR B. About 1-2s off typical lap times posted by high DR B/DR A drivers.
Practice I've done, 49km... not able to string more than 2 laps without big mistake, it is so frustating... I am able to lose 1s to my time and regain it in the same lap, and not always on the same parts, sometimes I gain a good margin in the first half that I destroy in the second, other times it is the opposite. Sometimes I arrive at the last turn with a second under the time and I butcher the corner and go through the line with a few tenth more than my best time :mad:

The breaking points are good, but it is a thing to begin to break at the right spot, it is another to release the break on point too. Most laps where I go off the track is because of not enough time on the brake. And most where I sacrifice a good margin is because I brake too long.

Got a 4 stars ticket for my "efforts" which gave me a Civic Type R '20 (which I already had).
 
Practice I've done, 49km... not able to string more than 2 laps without big mistake, it is so frustating... I am able to lose 1s to my time and regain it in the same lap, and not always on the same parts, sometimes I gain a good margin in the first half that I destroy in the second, other times it is the opposite. Sometimes I arrive at the last turn with a second under the time and I butcher the corner and go through the line with a few tenth more than my best time :mad:

The breaking points are good, but it is a thing to begin to break at the right spot, it is another to release the break on point too. Most laps where I go off the track is because of not enough time on the brake. And most where I sacrifice a good margin is because I brake too long.

Got a 4 stars ticket for my "efforts" which gave me a Civic Type R '20 (which I already had).
If you have not seen this guide, it helped me a lot.


I use a G29 wheel/pedal set up (with a load-cell mod) and with this car, it is all about subtle inputs to the accelerator. The brake can be a bit more aggressive but having the brake bias 1 to the rear helps stabilize the car and reduce understeer.
 
If you have not seen this guide, it helped me a lot.
This is the tune and the lap guide I've used ;)

I am using a DS5, I have no issues to control the car most of the time, my main problem at the moment is to be consistent and take each turn correctly, not even nail them, just not bottling them 50% of the time.

I think I will reach silver when I'll be able to do a clean lap. For the moment there is just too much garbage everywhere.
 
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So first real session, tried Pria's tune and indeed changed the ARB, slighlty better, now just trying to find the right tweaks in the tune and apex / throttle sweetspots, but I like this one alot, currently down to 28.8, with ALOT of room here, but already 2.42% now

6 is a real B#ch 🤣
 
Ok, it's official, I do not like tuner TTs. You're not racing other drivers, you're racing other drivers' tunes. You could put in the lap of your life and still not even be close because your tune is a few clicks off. You can't even reference other people's laps because there is no way to tell what tune they're running.

Maybe a bit frustrated as after like 50 miles only sitting at a 29.4. Do I suck or is it the tune? Both? Guess there is more guess and check to be done. Fun. :rolleyes:
 
I really like tunner TT's. I get to race other drivers, and other driver's tunes. Even when I put in the lap of my life and I'm still not close I know I need more
pratice or my tune is a few clicks off. You can reference other people's laps but can't tell what tune they're running makes it alot like real life.

I'm having a great time and only about 200 miles so far. I'm sitting at 1:29.392. I know I'm way off the top ten guys, they are amazing drivers/tuners, but there are many days left on this TT to improve some.

:bowdown:Big Thank You, to everyone that shares their tunes and post them here for us that strugle with tuning! :cheers:
 
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