Time Trial Discussion

[RCKakashi14]

The TCS 1 trick did help.

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

Got it done with a couple restarts and a @Tidgney ghost tonight.

I’m in a safe place but there’s a @Pesselles ahead. Yet I have 2 other very difficult tt on the screen for me.

I’m only silver in the vette and grand valley gives me nightmares.

Carry on and well done everyone. 👍

Don’t forget there’s a Titans thing this weekend. Sunday to be exact. It’s oh no there goes Tokyo, go, go 400R.

 

[Chris30]

The TCS 1 trick did help.

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Did you also try setting your TCS at 0? About 75% of the time I do that.

 

[RCKakashi14]

Did you also try setting your TCS at 0? About 75% of the time I do that.

I did, in my former record of 1:27.998.

The only thing I hate in the X2019 is that excessive wheelspin. Even the faster X2014 is more tolerable on corner exits at low speeds.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I've got a feeling that this lap time will be enough to keep me in the gold bracket.

Edit: this post may age very poorly.

 

[Pesselles]

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Got it done with a couple restarts and a @Tidgney ghost tonight.

I’m in a safe place but there’s a @Pesselles ahead. Yet I have 2 other very difficult tt on the screen for me.

I’m only silver in the vette and grand valley gives me nightmares.

Carry on and well done everyone. 👍

Don’t forget there’s a Titans thing this weekend. Sunday to be exact. It’s oh no there goes Tokyo, go, go 400R.
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Well done for your gold score, yes you're are in a safe place but I'm not sure to perfectly understand this statement:

I’m in a safe place but there’s a @Pesselles ahead.

Can you elaborate more, please?

 

[TheNormsk]

I jumped onto my Abroad account for the first time in weeks and gave the TT’s a go with the VR on. I tried flatscreen but I just can’t do it these days.

First up was the Corvette. I’ve gotta say I’m having real trouble trying to get this one. I’m currently hovering around the 4% and I’m just not finding the time.

What’s the trick we’re finding time with the Corvette?

Next up was the Mazda Miata at Suzuka. Turn one is giving me huge grief. I mainly go sideways and tail spin round 80% of my time. Only a small number of laps did I actually manage to complete. Somehow though I got gold, so that’s good.😊

Next up was Grand Valley with the formula car. After the Mazda, the speed difference was shocking. Usually, I’m not good with these cars, but in VR it’s something else. Not quite in gold yet, but I’m beginning to find flow with this one. I think there’s a possibility that I might actually get close to or achieve gold if the WR does not move too much

I like this one now. GV is a fav of mine and I like the track. It also gave me an excuse to dig out my formula wheel which I haven’t used for months now. Had to get the full experience

 

[krazislaw]

Did some trialing yesterday evening. Totally cant understand miata behavior in t1 and t2 as this car allows you to throw it all over the place for the rest of the lap without losing control, but t1 and t2 - noooo - make tiny knife edge inputs and it will still snap its rear on me a lot of spins, record lap made with a very lucky controled slide through t1 and t2 without me knowing how I did it. So now I can't replicate it. I like the even time.. gonna be a shame to improve it

I also tried the red bull at GV. I enjoy driving the car, but I am far from being fast with it.

 

[CarreraGT]

This is much better than the Corvette one! All about car control and momentum (once you get through Turn 1 that is!)

 

[911RSR]

Did the Mazda TT with TC off, as there is not enough power to spin the wheels. T1 is a bit tricky, but manageable. I had much bigger problems with the final turn! It took some time until i learned "Powerrrrrr" isn't the solution.
Ended up with a time that should last for gold

At the end i had some time left and gave GV a try. As i saw that this TT is coming here in the tread i thought, "i'm not gonna touch this aweful car", but there are 2 mill reasons to do so (ok, you can call me a "credits bitch" )

I had the same very light steering issue like mentioned before. But that fits the unreal feeling of that "car".
After driving the Mazda, that thing felt like riding a canon ball (speedwise)!
I think i need to watch Tidgneys guide to improve my exits of the slow turns. With that i think i can find the missing tenths to get gold:

 

[TumeK5]

derp

 

[Vule]

What’s the trick we’re finding time with the Corvette?

CSA strong, TC off, follow the P2 ghost at +0.3 and be very patient while braking, slow downshifts, if you change down too fast you can easily lose the rear. Go from there and see how you do

 

[manou]

I did, in my former record of 1:27.998.

The only thing I hate in the X2019 is that excessive wheelspin. Even the faster X2014 is more tolerable on corner exits at low speeds.

I agree ! The tight left (turn 7 I think), Tidgney exit in 2nd gear, I don't get how he does it. If I do that even with TCS, I have wheelspin in 2nd, then wheelspin in 3rd, even wheelspin in 4th. SO I exit in 3rd, it's slower but it's safer...

I think i need to watch Tidgneys guide to improve my exits of the slow turns. With that i think i can find the missing tenths to get gold:

Honestly, you are missing one full second, and even so I'm not sure it'd be safe.

 

[scourgehedge]

My current times

 

[911RSR]

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Honestly, you are missing one full second, and even so I'm not sure it'd be safe.

Do you excpect the gold time will drop under 1:28?

 

[Gomario JSP]

Morning folks,

Little morning run in the Loosy Goosy car...

I ran .191 3 freaking times before i called it quit and had to go to work...
There is more in it for sure, but jeezz.... T1 and T-last.....

@Metalgear9493 i totally agree on T1, it's my most inconsistent corner ever
But very fun to follow you on this track... although... try to follow you

Nice job again!

 

[RCKakashi14]

Turned TCS off again and there were marginal gains.

Still a long way to go.

 

[manou]

Do you excpect the gold time will drop under 1:28?

It already is, now it's 1:27.7 and it could still drop a bit. Even my 1:27.4 doesn't feel safe.

 

[Hiropairippu]

4,000,000cr in less than 2m30s
Farming Golds and Credits. Enjoy

 

[KK78]

25 miles into Suzuka East and quickly into Gold with a 1:01.673, knowing I'm gonna need to improve my Corvette run at the Dragon (which is perilously close to dropping into silver) and of course the Grand Valley murder fest in the fizzy drink spaceship, I think this just might do for Suzuka

 

[ZevZoq]

4,000,000cr in less than 2m30s
Farming Golds and Credits. Enjoy

I'm at 3M credits in roughly 2 hours.

 

[zjn]

Generic question:
now that I've improved a bit in determination and consistency of the braking point I'd like to start working a bit on the entry point, but unless I'm in decidedly slow cars, I'm struggling to manage shifting, braking, finding apex plus using the turn-in point in that little times. The result is that I don't have a reference turn-in point, and I turn by feel aiming for the apex.

The result of this behavior is that I struggle to make adjustments when I realize I am anticipating the apex too much (I rarely attempt to delay it, instead missing it I am a phenomenon.... 😜 ), I struggle to judge how much the steering angle is varying, and in general there is a lot of variability at that stage.

Are there any suggestions for approaching this issue?

Thanks

 

[skydragon49]

Generic question:
now that I've improved a bit in determination and consistency of the braking point I'd like to start working a bit on the entry point, but unless I'm in decidedly slow cars, I'm struggling to manage shifting, braking, finding apex plus using the turn-in point in that little times. The result is that I don't have a reference turn-in point, and I turn by feel aiming for the apex.

The result of this behavior is that I struggle to make adjustments when I realize I am anticipating the apex too much (I rarely attempt to delay it, instead missing it I am a phenomenon.... 😜 ), I struggle to judge how much the steering angle is varying, and in general there is a lot of variability at that stage.

Are there any suggestions for approaching this issue?

Thanks

If I understood it right, the question is about how to adjust our driving to know if we are hitting the apex right, right?

If so, I keep the racing line assist turned on all the time. I don't follow it, but I use it as another track reference per say.

The racing line in the middle of the apexes helps me to realize if I'm too much inside or in a too much wider line than I should.

 

[zjn]

If I understood it right, the question is about how to adjust our driving to know if we are hitting the apex right, right?

If so, I keep the racing line assist turned on all the time. I don't follow it, but I use it as another track reference per say.

The racing line in the middle of the apexes helps me to realize if I'm too much inside or in a too much wider line than I should.

Thanks, but no, question is a bit different
strategies to "slow down the time" in the final part of the braking to give the eyes > head > hands "time" to visualize the chosen turn-in point and use it consistently, then still have "time" to visualize the apex and aim it.

Sorry, I realize that “slowing down the tempo” is a stupid way to describe, but I can't find another way to explain myself

Right now I don't have "time" to also take care of the turn in point. For a given turn if you ask me where I start turn in, I don't have an answer for you, unless I look at my replay.
And even then, knowing where it is, I cannot make time in the next lap to turn in based on that selected turn in point

Hope I wrote it a bit better

 

[half_sourly]

Generic question:
now that I've improved a bit in determination and consistency of the braking point I'd like to start working a bit on the entry point, but unless I'm in decidedly slow cars, I'm struggling to manage shifting, braking, finding apex plus using the turn-in point in that little times. The result is that I don't have a reference turn-in point, and I turn by feel aiming for the apex.

The result of this behavior is that I struggle to make adjustments when I realize I am anticipating the apex too much (I rarely attempt to delay it, instead missing it I am a phenomenon.... 😜 ), I struggle to judge how much the steering angle is varying, and in general there is a lot of variability at that stage.

Are there any suggestions for approaching this issue?

Thanks

It's a combination of many things, but I would suggest trying this order. It will slow you down while you practice it, but pay dividends later. Faster people than me may have better suggestions.

• Start somewhere familiar with a long straight, good markers and a somewhat straightforward first corner. Maybe Monza (I know it is into a chicane corner 1, but it will work)
• Do a few laps in whatever car, using your current method of 'feeling the turn-in point', and figure out (maybe by watching replays of yourself) where that turn in point is for that corner. It could be just after a meter board, a change in colour in tarmac, a marshal (okay in GT7 as they are static, not okay in real life), etc.
• Now go again and brake a bit earlier than usual, so that speed is less of an issue. Keep your vision further forward than normal. As you go down the straight, look for the apex way before you need to, then bring your vision back to around the turn-in point (you may not see it yet) and then back to the braking point.
• As you start braking, look at the turn-in point and turn when you get there (then look at the apex) - should be easier since you are going slower. Coast a bit if you need to, given your lower speed. Now repeat quicker and quicker until you can brake again at your normal marker and are going at normal speed. Don't worry too much at this point where you are in relation to the apex.
• Once you brake in the same place and turn in at the same place consistently, now pay attention to where that takes you. If you always miss the apex long, take your turn-in point back a bit, or start braking a bit earlier. Always short of the apex - turn in a bit later or brake later.
• This is simplifying things a bit just for practice's sake, because really where you turn in depends also on where you want the car to be after the corner - that particular corner you want to turn in late to get to the right to open the left. Other corners will be different. But hopefully it gets you used to looking for a specific thing, using it, seeing the outcome and then adjusting as required. The more you practice this, the more the vision will be peripheral and 'automated' and the more brain power will be freed up for other things like shifting and trail braking, etc.

 

[bliprunner]

Thanks, but no, question is a bit different
strategies to "slow down the time" in the final part of the braking to give the eyes > head > hands "time" to visualize the chosen turn-in point and use it consistently, then still have "time" to visualize the apex and aim it.

Sorry, I realize that “slowing down the tempo” is a stupid way to describe, but I can't find another way to explain myself

Right now I don't have "time" to also take care of the turn in point. For a given turn if you ask me where I start turn in, I don't have an answer for you, unless I look at my replay.
And even then, knowing where it is, I cannot make time in the next lap to turn in based on that selected turn in point

Hope I wrote it a bit better

It sounds like you already have a braking point, as soon as you hit the brake your eyes need to focus on the apex and stay there.

Then with repetition you will get a good feel for when the car is ready to turn in and hit the apex.

I wouldn't be looking for a turn in marker unless the turn is blind.

 

[half_sourly]

Generic question:
now that I've improved a bit in determination and consistency of the braking point I'd like to start working a bit on the entry point, but unless I'm in decidedly slow cars, I'm struggling to manage shifting, braking, finding apex plus using the turn-in point in that little times. The result is that I don't have a reference turn-in point, and I turn by feel aiming for the apex.

The result of this behavior is that I struggle to make adjustments when I realize I am anticipating the apex too much (I rarely attempt to delay it, instead missing it I am a phenomenon.... 😜 ), I struggle to judge how much the steering angle is varying, and in general there is a lot of variability at that stage.

Are there any suggestions for approaching this issue?

Thanks

By the way, I recommend going through this series of videos. It, together with @Tidgney's Driving School series helped me make big improvements.

 

[feral and bad]

Already at the point of diminishing returns. I'd like to believe that it would be safe for top 1000, but I can't begin to even guess what everyone's tolerance for the pain of T1-T2 is. I suspect I'll have to go back, as people will see that already a couple hundredths gets them a hundred places and they will keep pushing.

 

[zjn]

It's a combination of many things, but I would suggest trying this order. It will slow you down while you practice it, but pay dividends later. Faster people than me may have better suggestions.

wow, thank you for the super detailed answer. You've unlocked a concept for me that I hadn't focused on before. In my reasoning I had braking marker and apex as fixed points, using these to “derive” the turn in marker. In your explication the apex is a consequence of the turn in.
Written this way it is obvious, but I did not see it as obvious before.

There is a lot of stuff in your answer, but indeed some of these difficulties with markers I had before, and now it is all more automatic on braking and apex where before it was a mental effort, so most likely the initial difficulties will then become much more nuanced, as you say.

By the way, I recommend going through this series of videos. It, together with @Tidgney's Driving School series helped me make big improvements.

Yes, I'm aware of it. it's one of those resources which tells you more and more as one builds up his skills. Will revisit it.

 

[Evilmuffin]

It's a combination of many things, but I would suggest trying this order. It will slow you down while you practice it, but pay dividends later. Faster people than me may have better suggestions.

• Start somewhere familiar with a long straight, good markers and a somewhat straightforward first corner. Maybe Monza (I know it is into a chicane corner 1, but it will work)
• Do a few laps in whatever car, using your current method of 'feeling the turn-in point', and figure out (maybe by watching replays of yourself) where that turn in point is for that corner. It could be just after a meter board, a change in colour in tarmac, a marshal (okay in GT7 as they are static, not okay in real life), etc.
• Now go again and brake a bit earlier than usual, so that speed is less of an issue. Keep your vision further forward than normal. As you go down the straight, look for the apex way before you need to, then bring your vision back to around the turn-in point (you may not see it yet) and then back to the braking point.
• As you start braking, look at the turn-in point and turn when you get there (then look at the apex) - should be easier since you are going slower. Coast a bit if you need to, given your lower speed. Now repeat quicker and quicker until you can brake again at your normal marker and are going at normal speed. Don't worry too much at this point where you are in relation to the apex.
• Once you brake in the same place and turn in at the same place consistently, now pay attention to where that takes you. If you always miss the apex long, take your turn-in point back a bit, or start braking a bit earlier. Always short of the apex - turn in a bit later or brake later.
• This is simplifying things a bit just for practice's sake, because really where you turn in depends also on where you want the car to be after the corner - that particular corner you want to turn in late to get to the right to open the left. Other corners will be different. But hopefully it gets you used to looking for a specific thing, using it, seeing the outcome and then adjusting as required. The more you practice this, the more the vision will be peripheral and 'automated' and the more brain power will be freed up for other things like shifting and trail braking, etc.

@zjn Read @half_sourly's post many times and have it drilled to your head

The braking earlier is probably the best advice. Brake earlier but with less braking force, this gives you extra time for your brain to process what needs to be done next. Once you are confortable, you can then push the braking point a bit.

Another thing is to work on your trail braking, but only after you are comfortable with the corner. Ajust the braking pressure during trail braking and see how it affects the car during turn in. Idealy you want the car feel a bit floaty without the rear swing out too much and need counter steer.

Anyway, take the advice from @half_sourly 👍