Time Trial Discussion

[Dan_Tes]

Quick go at DTG in the M3

Hated it at first due to completely unrealistic handling, SH tyres better than they used to be but still a bit ridiculous oversteering at speed. Started to enjoy it by the end

Not the best week at work so I get the feeling I’ll be overdriving this car pretty soon! Really seems to benefit a smooth driving style and ABS weak seems to work nicely

Optimum well into 1:48s with just those inconsistent kerbs in S3 holding me back there

Hoping a good lap in the TTs this week will cheer me up 😁

 

[Metalgear9493]

Netted 2nd spot with marginally slower opening 2 sectors compared to my previous best lap, but then a 'bat out of hell' execution of the final sector 🦇

Enjoy the ghost!

 

[BWX]

I just wanted to check it out real quick on Fri. and was on the controller/ flat screen, ended up running quite a few laps and this was my first and only gold lap.
Another one I was surprised to gold with auto-trans and controller. 🤷‍♂️


Probably 3 thousand or something now. Might have to try it with wheel / VR.

 

[zjn]

Quite a long journey my week and at Dragons Trail.
I started with few laps with no reference on Fri and slowly but steady progressed.

Yesterday I achieved a very very thin gold, happy to be there, but at the same time knowing that I had something more in the first and last corner.

An hour of practice followed in which I was steadily gaining 2 tenths out of the first corner, but by the time I got to the last one I was blowing it.

I was almost ready to give it up when on the last available lap, as I heard my wife getting up from her afternoon nap, I finally made it.

The other TT, on the other hand, really takes me very little. I already feel that Group B are arcade cars, plus Gt7's snow driving feels fake to me, I'll let you imagine the combination of the two.

This said from the height of my world championships won in real life in this kind of competition....😝

How do you guys see this TT? half arcade half sim or in line with the average TT of GT7?

 

[Pesselles]

Hi guys (and Greek)


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Finally, I'm in the 1:50 with my M3 Alpina at Dragon Trail:

S1: 39.320 - Pfff, 3 tenths slower than my best S1. I struggle to be consistent on the exit of the second right turn.
S2: 36.181 - Thanks to @feral and bad I've improved my hairpin (thanks Buddy) and my speed in the long straight.
S3: 35.411 - The biggest mystery of this TT, where I'm totally unable to go faster no matter what I do...

It's still very unconsistent, and far from what I should score here. There are so many rooms for improvement, that I will probably come back soon:

@Credits: The creator of the livery of my M3 Alpina is Tijm10


Happy lapping friends

 

[skydragon49]

Monsieur @Pesselles, you're not too much off the mark with sector 1. In my PB I got a 39.2 in it. Here and there I was hitting 39.1 or 39.0 but in the end 39.2 did the job for me.

About S3, the sausage chicane is all about opening up the corners.

Brake when the tip of the car hit this triangle shaped piece of curb. Brake and shift down to 3rd a little bit faster than you're probably doing in turn 1 or before the quadruple apexes in S2.

Entering the chicane. See how Tidgney cut the curb way better than me. Now I realize I should've had aimed for the sausage, during my laps I aimed between the racing line and the sausage as an entering point.

Inside the chicane, brake and change direction right after the red curb on your right. Not when the car hits it, but a tiny bit after.

Aim for the sausage (I know.... It doesn't sound nice....😅) as if you want it to be in the middle of the car. Cutting this curb is key to open up the final turn.

Do a throttle control work and keep judging when you can go 100% on gas in the final chicane turn.

Hope I can help, those were the things I learned about the damn S3. Most of my lap time came from this sector.

Edit: corrected some typos.

Edit (2): lap has been shared, feel free to use it as a ghost.

 

[half_sourly]

@crome did you do something to better align newest post? Mine used to be off because of the plug-in showing latest TT standings under most users' names, but no longer.

 

[Gorefast]

Monsieur @Pesselles, you're not too much off the mark with sector 1. In my PB I got a 39.2 in it. Here and there I was hitting 39.1 or 39.0 but in the end 39.2 did the job for me.

About S3, the sausage chicane is all about opening up the corners.

Break when the tip of the car hit this triangle shaped piece of curb. Break and shift down to 3rd a little bit faster than you're probably doing in turn 1 or before the quadruple apexes in S2.
View attachment 1399326

Entering the chicane. See how Tidgney cut the curb way better than me. Now I realize I should've had aimed for the sausage, during my laps I aimed between the racing line and the sausage as an entering point.
View attachment 1399335

Inside the chicane, break and change direction right after the red curb on your right. Not when the cars hits it, but a tiny bit after.
View attachment 1399332

Aim for the sausage (I know.... It doesn't sound nice....😅) as if you want it to be in the middle of the car. Cutting this curb is key to open up the final turn.
View attachment 1399328

Do a throttle control work and keep judging when you can go 100% on gas on the final chicane turn.
View attachment 1399330

Hope I can help, those were the things I learned about the damn S3. Most of my lap time came from this sector.

Edit: corrected some typos.

Edit (2): lap has been shared, feel free to use it as a ghost.

Thank you very much and merci beaucoup for your advice! At the moment you are my go-to ghost and helped already a lot. I won't pass you for sure but cannot guarantee anything for @Pesselles as he doesn't eat enough croissants...

 

[crome]

@crome did you do something to better align newest post? Mine used to be off because of the plug-in showing latest TT standings under most users' names, but no longer.

Umm no, not knowingly, and am also not aware of any alignment issues. I mean the plugin is currently displaying three TTs rather than the usual two, maybe this plays into it? Whatever the case, if you observe the behaviour again (perhaps after the Lake Louise TT is over), please share a screenshot and I'll see what I can do about it.

 

[skydragon49]

Thank you very much and merci beaucoup for your advice! At the moment you are my go-to ghost and helped already a lot. I won't pass you for sure but cannot guarantee anything for @Pesselles as he doesn't eat enough croissants...

I'm glad I can help a fellow time trial driver by sharing the little things I've been learning. 🙂

 

[Pesselles]

Monsieur @Pesselles, you're not too much off the mark with sector 1. In my PB I got a 39.2 in it. Here and there I was hitting 39.1 or 39.0 but in the end 39.2 did the job for me.

About S3, the sausage chicane is all about opening up the corners.

Brake when the tip of the car hit this triangle shaped piece of curb. Brake and shift down to 3rd a little bit faster than you're probably doing in turn 1 or before the quadruple apexes in S2.
View attachment 1399326

Entering the chicane. See how Tidgney cut the curb way better than me. Now I realize I should've had aimed for the sausage, during my laps I aimed between the racing line and the sausage as an entering point.
View attachment 1399335

Inside the chicane, brake and change direction right after the red curb on your right. Not when the cars hits it, but a tiny bit after.
View attachment 1399332

Aim for the sausage (I know.... It doesn't sound nice....😅) as if you want it to be in the middle of the car. Cutting this curb is key to open up the final turn.
View attachment 1399328

Do a throttle control work and keep judging when you can go 100% on gas in the final chicane turn.
View attachment 1399330

Hope I can help, those were the things I learned about the damn S3. Most of my lap time came from this sector.

Edit: corrected some typos.

Edit (2): lap has been shared, feel free to use it as a ghost.

Obrigado x 1,000 Mister @skydragon49 that's really awesome and I'll try to apply your advices for that damned S3.

Final word: your score here is just fantastic, really impressive and really deserved!!!

 

[skydragon49]

Obrigado x 1,000 Mister @skydragon49 that's really awesome and I'll try to apply your advices for that damned S3.

Final word: your score here is just fantastic, really impressive and really deserved!!!

Don't mention it my friend. I'm happy to share the things I've learned.

There are occasions when the TT really clicks with me, that's one of those cases.

I'm sure you'll find your way up the leaderboards. 😎

 

[Pesselles]

Hi guys (and Greek)

Yes, it's me again

Lapping with my M3 Alpina is finally addictive and I'm starting to get much more confident on apexes, braking points, and gear management. It's not yet perfect but it's getting better.

S1: 39.205 - still few tenths to gain here (my best S1 is 39.0xx)
S2: 36.347 - same as S1 because my hairpin was really medium
S3: 35.282 - first time below 35.4xx and I must credit Monsieur @skydragon49 !!!

I've followed your smart and kind advices and tried to reproduce them as much as possible.
When I'm in the middle of the final chicane (your 3rd pic), I downshift to 2nd gear to get a better motricity and upshift in 3rd when i can apply the throttle for the exit. I don't know if it's help or not (maybe it's just a placebo effect) but the car is more "driveable" this way. And I've gained +/- 2 tenths thanks to you!!! OBRIGADO 🙏

This score is far from perfect but now, my gold is safe.
And apparently, there are still many rooms for improvement:

ATTACK!!!

 

[Jeje6410]

ATTACK

 

[Pesselles]

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Don't panic Jérôme, loooong is the road to 1:50.4xx

 

[Vule]

and ABS weak seems to work nicely

Not in my best interest to give you advice on how to go faster, but try ABS default for one session, it's just a little bit more stable under braking, you don't lose the rear end so easily, especially on the entry to the quadruple left hander horror section.

I know you will go well into the 48s and I belive we would have a good battle to the end if I didn't hate this layout so much

 

[skydragon49]

That's very good news @Pesselles!!!!

You already have a solid S1 and you're improving on S3, so you're getting the pieces all together and very soon your lap times you'll be dropping down for sure. 😎

I'm happy I could help somehow.

 

[JasonMcDonald]

1.50.505 Dragon Tail

There is more and i want it …
Optimal was 1.50.1xx
Pretty sure 1.49.xxx is possible….to be contiuned.