TOCA Season 4.2 - DaxCobra, Paul Mack, VenoMMotorsports Champions!

[Furinkazen]

Well it is monza a power circuit.

Also still pointing out at Le Mans Honda and Infiniti ran VW close. There's no point denying VW's raw pace, it is there, but if it can actually be used is one thing. Draft, packs, weather, thats difficult to simulate in testing. Also I was 0.5 seconds faster testing with a Mazda and when I tuned it I could get 0.3 more off of it at Top gear. All cars have strengths and weaknesses. Either way, some people are going to have long faces after next week. Remains to be seen who that will be.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Ok ive snapped pics of it performance and parts.

As I said my times are possibly on a better setup bt it doesnt detract from the speed its capable of.

The main problem is its straight line speed its as quick in the bends esp on high speeds circuits which only makes it worse, while in the room DK asked me to run some laps with it 10bhp less and I could still do on a perfect lap 1:59.8 and consistant low 2:00s which is still fastest. So I don't see the problem with taking off 10bhp as its still quickest and if anything easier to drive.

 

[Furinkazen]

Ok ive snapped pics of it performance and parts.

As I said my times are possibly on a better setup bt it doesnt detract from the speed its capable of.

The main problem is its straight line speed its as quick in the bends esp on high speeds circuits which only makes it worse, while in the room DK asked me to run some laps with it 10bhp less and I could still do on a perfect lap 1:59.8 and consistant low 2:00s which is still fastest. So I don't see the problem with taking off 10bhp as its still quickest and if anything easier to drive.

Yeah I found that testing cars for this season. 295hp or even 285hp compared to 305hp made teh cars easier to drive and sometimes faster, less power to put down, less wheelspin.

 

[Lizard]

As I said my times are possibly on a better setup bt it doesnt detract from the speed its capable of.

So what if your setup for the vw is better than the setup you have for the other cars? Each car needs a different setup so maybe you are closer to the perfect one in the vw than you are in any others.

 

[Furinkazen]

I think its more of a case that the VW is easier to find a set up for, at least it appears that way. Its taken us 6 races to get up to a decent speed, when we started early this week we were struggling to break into 1:22's at Autumn Ring.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Again you saying you cant get the speed is effectively saying you havent got the skill so you need a better car.

It's total nonesence and im getting sick of it already tbh.

Btw pics of my cars performance are here. http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/yy191/Paulmackay1992/

 

[Furinkazen]

Again you saying you cant get the speed is effectively saying a havent got the skill so I need a better car.

You don't have 3rd in the championship and top of independents without skill.

 

[paulmac2k9]

I meant "you" typos fixed and pictures posted.

 

[Furinkazen]

Thanks Paul 👍.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Also still pointing out at Le Mans Honda and Infiniti ran VW close.

La Sarthe won't favour the VWs as much as Monza and HSR if they really are that fast. You can lose a lot of time if you mess up the corners, especially in the second half of the track.

 

[DaxCobra]

Marunda, this is the thing, everyone thinks the Scirocco is a pig through the corners when it is actually only a couple of tenths off around Autumn Ring.

I personally think Furi and Tom have gone the wrong way in their set up and can't see how fast the Mazda is, and the fact that Furi says "If it has a huge gap we will restrict it next season" says to me that you want to keep it this way because you want an unfair advantage.

Not cool.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Marunda, this is the thing, everyone thinks the Scirocco is a pig through the corners when it is actually only a couple of tenths off around Autumn Ring.

I don't think it is a pig, but clearly corners aren't it's best area. The Volvo on the other hand, is a pig........


I still don't see why the car should be capped when, so far it hasn't showed any sign of being capable of winning a race. If, at Monza, the car annihilates the field then maybe a power cap should be implemented for HSR and Sarthe. 👍

 

[DaxCobra]

I don't think it is a pig, but clearly corners aren't it's best area. The Volvo on the other hand, is a pig........


I still don't see why the car should be capped when, so far it hasn't showed any sign of being capable of winning a race. If, at Monza, the car annihilates the field then maybe a power cap should be implemented for HSR and Sarthe. 👍

So far it hasn't shown any sign of being capable of winning a race...

Sumo was matching my race times towards the end of race 3, and that's with what seems to be a basic set up on it.

Why can't you see that it is over 1.5 seconds faster at Monza?!

Isn't that a big enough sign of it's race winning potential!?

It's going to be ridiculous at Monza.

And as for HSR, I might as well not show up.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

So far it hasn't shown any sign of being capable of winning a race...

Sumo was matching my race times towards the end of race 3, and that's with what seems to be a basic set up on it.

Why can't you see that it is over 1.5 seconds faster at Monza?!

Isn't that a big enough sign of it's race winning potential!?

It's going to be ridiculous at Monza.

And as for HSR, I might as well not show up.

1. Ok. The car hasn't been dominating the field, therefore I see no reason why it should be handicapped.

2. So far only PaulMac has posted a pic of him doing 1'59.3xx. If multiple people post pics of going 1.5 seconds faster in the VW than they can go in any other car then I'll see that it is indeed 1.5 seconds faster at Monza.

3. No.

4. Again, slipstream and weather may well play their part.

EDIT: I'm not going to argue about it. This is just my opinion so feel free to completely disregard everything I say.

 

[DaxCobra]

1. Ok. The car hasn't been dominating the field, therefore I see no reason why it should be handicapped.

2. So far only PaulMac has posted a pic of him doing 1'59.3xx. If multiple people post pics of going 1.5 seconds faster in the VW than they can go in any other car then I'll see that it is indeed 1.5 seconds faster at Monza.

3. No.

4. Again, slipstream and weather may well play their part.

Seriously?!

If the car is 1.5 seconds faster around a certain track with the SAME driver in it, then it shows the cars are uneven!!

Just because slipstream and weather are into play doesn't mean anything.

Slipstream, big whoop, You overtake a VW in slipstream just to be ripped to peices on the next straight.

This is the part you guys are not understanding: The car is 1.5 seconds faster around the track.

Paul hasn't even got much more than a basic setup on his car compared to his Mazda, so I am sure it is even faster than that.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Seriously?!

If the car is 1.5 seconds faster around a certain track with the SAME driver in it, then it shows the cars are uneven!!

Just because slipstream and weather are into play doesn't mean anything.

Slipstream, big whoop, You overtake a VW in slipstream just to be ripped to peices on the next straight.

This is the part you guys are not understanding: The car is 1.5 seconds faster around the track.

Paul hasn't even got much more than a basic setup on his car compared to his Mazda, so I am sure it is even faster than that.

What I mean is: All we have is a picture of the VW doing a 1'59.3. So far we have no evidence that it's 2 seconds faster because no evidence about the other cars is presented. Show me a picture of the best lap in the Mazda, then
a comparison can be made.

Slipstream will be a major factor.

We aren't understanding it because we haven't got sufficient evidence for it.

 

[DaxCobra]

What I mean is: All we have is a picture of the VW doing a 1'59.3. So far we have no evidence that it's 2 seconds faster because no evidence about the other cars is presented. Show me a picture of the best lap in the Mazda, then
a comparison can be made.

Slipstream will be a major factor.

We aren't understanding it because we haven't got sufficient evidence for it.

Right, I'll go and set a time in the Mazda, shall I?

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Right, I'll go and set a time in the Mazda, shall I?

Do one in the VW and one in the Mazda and post the evidence. That way it will be clear whether or not the VW is so much faster.

 

[DaxCobra]

Do one in the VW and one in the Mazda and post the evidence. That way it will be clear whether or not the VW is so much faster.

Right. Let me go spec up a VW, put a basic tune on it etc...

EDIT: AARARAHRAH JUST REALISED WHY I WAS NO WHERE NEAR MY PACE YESTERDAY

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Right. Let me go spec up a VW, put a basic tune on it etc...

EDIT: AARARAHRAH JUST REALISED WHY I WAS NO WHERE NEAR MY PACE YESTERDAY

Oil change?

👍 In order to give Furi no option but to handicap the VW, you need to prevent him with the evidence.

 

[DaxCobra]

Oil change?

👍 In order to give Furi no option but to handicap the VW, you need to prevent him with the evidence.

No, my wheel was on "Drift Mode: 1/5" which makes it much lighter and really weird when oversteering.

I wondered why I couldn't match my pace in qualifying and why my car seemed bad...



Edit: I haven't got the Scirocco DLC but I will set a time in the Mazda.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

No, my wheel was on "Drift Mode: 1/5" which makes it much lighter and really weird when oversteering.

I wondered why I couldn't match my pace in qualifying and why my car seemed bad...



Edit: I haven't got the Scirocco DLC but I will set a time in the Mazda.

That's why you should get a simple wheel.

 

[DaxCobra]

That's why you should get a simple wheel.

No, that's why I need a more complex brain...

I was drifting a RUF in the test lobby the night before last and forgot to change it back..

 

[DK]

No, my wheel was on "Drift Mode: 1/5" which makes it much lighter and really weird when oversteering.

How is that even possible? What wheel do you have?

 

[DaxCobra]

How is that even possible? What wheel do you have?

Fanatec Carrera...

Stupid thing has so many settings.

Basically, the Drift mode makes it a bit lighter and exaggerates any movement the car makes.

That's why I kept making mistakes.

Also, akmuq got behind my rear bumper in the last race on the back straight and my wheel went mental... I wondered why lol.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Fanatec Carrera...

Stupid thing has so many settings.

Basically, the Drift mode makes it a bit lighter and exaggerates any movement the car makes.

That's why I kept making mistakes.

Also, akmuq got behind my rear bumper in the last race on the back straight and my wheel went mental... I wondered why lol.

That's why you need the trusty DFGT.

 

[DaxCobra]

That's why you need the trusty DFGT.

Nope, I'll stick with my complex wheel.

It's set up properly now.

 

[neljack]

The thing im angry about is i miss a race through no real fault of my own to then find I have HSR and Monza coming up where as Dax says we might as well not turn up.

Wheres the fairness in TOCA gone......

 

[Akmuq]

So, now that Andy is gone I've got a driver for the next two weeks, Monza and Le Mans, Biffy.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Nope, I'll stick with my complex wheel.

It's set up properly now.

DFGT over Fanatec finks not would be happy to swap my DFGT though! Will even deliver within tractor distance