Tokyo Game Show

[analog]

There are still a few other major titles (for example GTAV) to be released on this gen later this year, and maybe PD decided to change their tactic regarding announcing things considering the recent remarks made by Kaz of it possibly prompting debates about delays.
Maybe they figured a game like GT doesn't really need the exposure of a big game show anymore as word will get out anyway.

 

[Samus]

That is true but those games have all been announced now. Even MGS Groud Zeroes was pretty late, people thought it was next gen until it was clarified to be this gen. Like I said in the other thread there is still a small chance but I'd think they need to have it revealed by the end of the year but even that's pushing it. I think TGS was their pedestal and they were nowhere to be seen.

Mind you as someone else said the Sony conference might have already happened but there is plenty of TGS time left for them to somehow reveal it. But yeah I think we're grabbing at straws still.

 

[sneakypete123]

Although Im pretty sure GTAV will be for this gen consoles but it hasnt been confirmed (please correct me if it has now)

And for everyone saying that its now pretty much confirmed that GT6 will be on PS4 because it wasnt announced, I'd buy that if the PS4 was announced but it could be another 2-5 years away, nobody knows for sure.

 

[Samus]

GTA V is confirmed for current gen, yes.

As for PS4 and next Xbox of course none of us know for sure but the general concensus amongst industry people is that they'll be announced next year for a 2013 holiday release or 2014 holiday release. It certainly won't be any later than that, i'm certain.

 

[avens]

So this pretty much confirms GT6 will be 4 years in development or more (since most probably it won't be in 2013), which is eternity in videogames.

Is it really necessary to take 10 years total to finish 1 game? How come turn10 needs 1/5 the time to do the same and better?

 

[MXH]

Is it really necessary to take 10 years total to finish 1 game? How come turn10 needs 1/5 the time to do the same and better?

Efficiency.

 

[Samus]

Efficiency.

Yes, PD lack it considerably.

 

[kogunenjou]

Wow. So they're just going to go down that route huh? Expecting everyone to buy the PS4 just for Gran Turismo 6... Well next year we'll which game will make good sales Sony. We'll see without disappointing everyone again, me included...

GT is hardly the only successful franchise Sony has...there will be plenty of reasons to buy PS4, I'm sure.

 

[sneakypete123]

So this pretty much confirms GT6 will be 4 years in development or more (since most probably it won't be in 2013), which is eternity in videogames.

Is it really necessary to take 10 years total to finish 1 game? How come turn10 needs 1/5 the time to do the same and better?

Well if what kaz said is true (big if) then its already 2 years into development
so we are half way there lol.

I just cant see it being a launch title for a brand new console and if it was it wouldnt make half as much money as it would on the PS3.

We are living in hard times at the moment, people are struggling to make ends meet and alot of people arnt even managing that. the ps4 at launch will almost certainly be £400 plus maybe even £500 plus and I for one certainly couldnt warrant parting that amount of cash for a games console.

 

[TokoTurismo]

GT is hardly the only successful franchise Sony has...there will be plenty of reasons to buy PS4, I'm sure.

It's not that. I'm worried about how much the PS4 will cost. $600 or $800. UGH.

Why must GT6 be on the PS4, really. What, graphics? Adding features that weren't possible on the PS3 which I doubt. Fixing the problems that can be easily done on the PS3.

Than what's the point of the super slim PS3? Well for other games it'll be great, haha. Why must GT be treated special, why can't it be like MGS Ground Zero which is releasing on the PS3. Honestly. If GT6 becomes a disappointment again. I can see the next game being not... >_>

I mean they can even make GT6 sell with the new super slim PS3 and by itself, not hard at all.

 

[daus26]

Well, judging by the BRZ thing, they have some kind of event planned (maybe), but what other events are there? Sema? I'm with SimonK on this one. We're really drawing straws from here on, for those that are hoping for a 2013 release.

Efficiency.

And outsourcing.

It's not that. I'm worried about how much the PS4 will cost. $600 or $800. UGH. Just for GT6?

Why must GT6 be on the PS4, really. What, graphics? Adding features that weren't possible on the PS3 which I doubt. Fixing the problems that can be easily done on the PS3.

Than what's the point of the super slim PS3? Well for other games it'll be great, haha. Why must GT be treated special, why can't it be like MGS Ground Zero which is releasing on the PS3. Honestly. If GT6 becomes a disappointment again. I can see the next game being not... >_>

My theory is that with the GT franchise being a huge seller, Sony is pushing them to do things like Move support, GTVita (to implement cross buy/cross controller), PS4 launch support, or who know what other gimmicky plans they have for them. If the PS4, they'll probably be pushing for 4K. Whatever plan PD has, Sony's going to come in. Remember when the guy said GT6 is to be revealed soon? He said "our" plans.

 

[OHM_fusion]

It's not that. I'm worried about how much the PS4 will cost. $600 or $800. UGH. Just for GT6?

Why must GT6 be on the PS4, really. What, graphics? Adding features that weren't possible on the PS3 which I doubt. Fixing the problems that can easily be done on the PS3.

Yes, graphics. And physics and gameplay. Though, I assume you are talking about problems that aren't related to hardware. I don't think they have enough new content to release another game now. I seriously don't think we would gain much by seeing GT6 on ps3. A few new tracks, perhaps about 75 cars (even that's wishful thinking)? Sorry but I don't see the point.

 

[Samus]

Remember the famous "10/10 simulator in a 5/10 game" quote? That's what the could have done, actually made a game around the core, the part they pretty much forgot to do for GT5.

 

[OHM_fusion]

Remember the famous "10/10 simulator in a 5/10 game" quote? That's what the could have done, actually made a game around the core, the part they pretty much forgot to do for GT5.

I agree but can you be more specific? I mean what exactly would you want to see in GT6 on PS3? Except for some new cars and tracks. What would constitute this game around the core?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Yes, graphics. And physics and gameplay. Though, I assume you are talking about problems that aren't related to hardware. I don't think they have enough new content to release another game now. I seriously don't think we would gain much by seeing GT6 on ps3. A few new tracks, perhaps about 75 cars (even that's wishful thinking)? Sorry but I don't see the point.

How about a career mode that's actually good for starters?

 

[daus26]

Remember the famous "10/10 simulator in a 5/10 game" quote? That's what the could have done, actually made a game around the core, the part they pretty much forgot to do for GT5.

Lol, it's so true. I didn't get it when I first played it, but eventually realized it.

 

[OHM_fusion]

How about a career mode that's actually good for starters?

Would a better career mode be a big enough improvement for you to buy a 60$ game?

 

[Nielsen]

Would a better career mode be a big enough improvement for you to buy a 60$ game?

Definitely, for me GT6 is all about getting the old GT feeling back. Of course the new cars and tracks will also be tempting but the game has to offer the fun from day 1 so we don't have to discover it for ourselves.

 

[daus26]

Would a better career mode be a big enough improvement for you to buy a 60$ game?

Why do people buy GT2 after GT1? Heck, why do people buy COD every year?

It's really not just the career. Like he said, "for starters." It's the whole experience. Games don't just revolve around graphics. Graphics count, but the content and features, is what really makes a game.

From what we can tell, there's a possibility of a huge track jump. That alone adds a lot to the game and career. Then there is a possibility of new modes (Pikes Peak)? Kaz also said that they saved some features for GT6 at the end of GT5's development (livery?).

Anyway, all that is speculation, but it has been proven time and time again, that a game, can improve over a lot of things while keeping graphics similar. And who know, having GT6 for the PS4 early might risk into another pretty looking game, with no fun or real gameplay structure. I think having GT6 on an already established engine will result in a more complete game. Of course I could be wrong and PD can pull off the most complete GT by PS4's launch. I just doubt that, and again, really depends on how early they started working with PS4's devkit.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Would a better career mode be a big enough improvement for you to buy a 60$ game?

It's my #1 issue with GT5, so yes it would if it meant having a better experience and increasing the game's longevity and replay value more than GT5's.

But there's more they could do. How about actually making features in the game consistent? Make all tracks have weather/time change, all road cars in the game have a RM counterpart, instead of just a few, etc.

 

[Samus]

Would a better career mode be a big enough improvement for you to buy a 60$ game?

As others have said what else do you buy a franchise game for? Because they make improvements other than just new content, cars and tracks in this case. I'm not going to list out everything I'd see in a PS3 GT6 because I've done it so many times already and it seems pointless now but there is so much more that could be done on current hardware, heck stuff that could be done on PS2. For some people a selection cars and tracks is enough, they'll drive off and have hours of fun. For other people that isn't the case, we need a game around it to engage us.

Because I mean think about it, GT6 on the PS4 should look amazing and not suffer the graphical problems of GT5 but does that alone make you want to spend 60$ on it? No, you need something else, the game itself.

 

[OHM_fusion]

Why do people buy GT2 after GT1? Heck, why do people buy COD every year?

It's really not just the career. Like he said, "for starters." It's the whole experience. Games don't just revolve around graphics. Graphics count, but the content and features, is what really makes a game.

From what we can tell, there's a possibility of a huge track jump. That alone adds a lot to the game and career. Then there is a possibility of new modes (Pikes Peak)? Kaz also said that they saved some features for GT6 at the end of GT5's development (livery?).

I always thought the appeal of GT2/4 over GT1/3 was the huge jump in content, and not the career mode (at least it was for me). And we would definitely not see such a big jump if GT6 was released on PS3. And of course, we at GTPlanet are a minority, and the most people who buy GT are more concerned about driving latest supercars than having an improved physics or career. And I'm not sure where you see this possibility of a track jump?

As others have said what else do you buy a franchise game for? Because they make improvements other than just new content, cars and tracks in this case. I'm not going to list out everything I'd see in a PS3 GT6 because I've done it so many times already and it seems pointless now but there is so much more that could be done on current hardware, heck stuff that could be done on PS2. For some people a selection cars and tracks is enough, they'll drive off and have hours of fun. For other people that isn't the case, we need a game around it to engage us.

Because I mean think about it, GT6 on the PS4 should look amazing and not suffer the graphical problems of GT5 but does that alone make you want to spend 60$ on it? No, you need something else, the game itself.

Well, your position on this pretty much describes how people play GT for different reasons. I'm exactly like you describe, I mostly need cars and tracks, graphics and physics. And that's probably why I was disappointed in GT3. I never looked at GT games as an example of a great career mode, and that's not what I look for in these games,. But I understand your position too. And can you tell me, Has there been a GT game ( or even a non GT racing game) that you would describe as having a good career mode? Just so I can get an idea of what you and people who think like you would expect from a career mode.

 

[daus26]

I always thought the appeal of GT2/4 over GT1/3 was the huge jump in content, and not the career mode (at least it was for me). And we would definitely not see such a big jump if GT6 was released on PS3. And of course, we at GTPlanet are a minority, and the most people who buy GT are more concerned about driving latest supercars than having an improved physics or career. And I'm not sure where you see this possibility of a track jump?

Yes, and a huge jump in content for a GT6 PS3 is all the more possible. Again, I'm not saying the career is the ONLY thing that keeps the interest exciting. It's only the START of the whole experience.

As for the tracks, there was all those logos that was revealed at their site (plus a mysteriously taken out El Capitan from trailer), Ordnez's comment, and all the report of new locations like Bathrust and Silverstone.

 

[Brend]

Oh bummer.

 

[Samus]

Well, your position on this pretty much describes how people play GT for different reasons. I'm exactly like you describe, I mostly need cars and tracks, graphics and physics. And that's probably why I was disappointed in GT3. I never looked at GT games as an example of a great career mode, and that's not what I look for in these games,. But I understand your position too. And can you tell me, Has there been a GT game ( or even a non GT racing game) that you would describe as having a good career mode? Just so I can get an idea of what you and people who think like you would expect from a career mode.

It's not just the career mode though, it's everything else they can add. As far as I'm concerned the more game modes and features the better, even if I won't use them. For example I personally have zero interest in drag racing but GT6 should absolutely include a proper drag racing mode. A strip, lights, reactions times, the full experience. Online player interaction and the community features are near non-existant in GT5, they also need adding in large numbers.

Basically yes, I like to have things to specifically do. As much as I do enjoy just hotlapping eventually I want the game to give me things to do. As for which game had the best career so far given I haven't played most of the games in years I would probably say GT4. I seem to remember it had the most content in terms of career.

Structure wise though it was no different from the first three games, nor was GT5. It needs a complete overhaul, new ideas, new approaches. Look at the Forza games, I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong but each game had pretty different approaches to the main single player game. Again right or wrong is anyone's opinion, point is they did something new. PD have pretty much dished out the same career mode in all five games and it's getting tiresome.

I'm not sure how I want them to approach it, I'm not a game designer but the idea of progressing up through the ranks in a structured way is certainly one idea, rather than just jumping around events and you please.

 

[mjm23race]

Gt6 on ps3 would have a lot of people eating their words.

Gt6 on ps4 would have a lot of people eating their words.

Possibly gt6 on a ps3 / ps4 cross system platform? If that was a possibility, that would make everyone happy. I am sure if they can command $400 plus for a new console they will probably price the games higher too. I for one would much rather spend $60 dollars on gt6 instead of $400-$600.

 

[sneakypete123]

Gt6 on ps3 would have a lot of people eating their words.

Gt6 on ps4 would have a lot of people eating their words.

Possibly gt6 on a ps3 / ps4 cross system platform? If that was a possibility, that would make everyone happy. I am sure if they can command $400 plus for a new console they will probably price the games higher too. I for one would much rather spend $60 dollars on gt6 instead of $400-$600.

$400? you're joking right?
It will be in the region of $650-$800 for ps4.

 

[avens]

Gt6 on ps3 would have a lot of people eating their words.

Gt6 on ps4 would have a lot of people eating their words.

Possibly gt6 on a ps3 / ps4 cross system platform? If that was a possibility, that would make everyone happy. I am sure if they can command $400 plus for a new console they will probably price the games higher too. I for one would much rather spend $60 dollars on gt6 instead of $400-$600.

Thing is when it'll be released. If GT5 were to be released in ...late 2007 (3 years after gt4) it would have been a good game actually, but it wasn't in late 2010 (6 years).

 

[Samus]

After the backlash of "599 US dollars"? No chance. The next gen consoles will be much cheaper than PS3.

 

[daus26]

$400 might be possible if there is going to be a super basic version, but if the PS4 is going to be another technical achievement, then I don't expect it to be $50 more than the Wii U's premium price. Heck, tablets can cost upwards of $499.

Then again, we're not expecting another breakthrough like the cell or blu-ray. However, Sony might be investing a lot more in graphics card and memory.

Anyway, I think Kaz needs to say something on twitter or something on what their plans are. I'm not sure how much more of their silence I can take lol.