Top Performance Tuning

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priesty_lfc
Your Golf R tune looks pretty fast, whens it going to be released?
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I still want to tweak it some more but I'll try get it shared tomorrow. If I dont have it up by then it'll be sometime next year, as I go away for 1 week.
 
Your Street Tune Cars should be this Jack!

Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD,J) '93
280BHP/6500RPM - 1260kg - FR - 450PP - S3 S1
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '99
260BHP/7700RPM - 1150kg - FF - 450PP - S3 S1
Toyota CelicaGT-Four '98
280BHP/6200RPM - 1223kg - 4WD - 450PP - S3 S1
 
TimberW
Your Street Tune Cars should be this Jack!

Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD,J) '93
280BHP/6500RPM - 1260kg - FR - 450PP - S3 S1
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '99
260BHP/7700RPM - 1150kg - FF - 450PP - S3 S1
Toyota CelicaGT-Four '98
280BHP/6200RPM - 1223kg - 4WD - 450PP - S3 S1
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:D I know yeah, or maybe even C3. At the mo there aint much between the sport & street tunes.
 

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Specs:
Vehicle: Toyota 86 GT '12
Power: 237BHP
Weight: 1092kg
P Points: 450
Colour: Dark Grey Metallic
Purpose: Touge setup
Distance: 0.0 Miles

Notes:
Well balanced car, got rid of the slight understeer problem that was occuring before.
Do not change oil, the car will hit 450pp once you break in the engine.

Parts:
Motegi Touge (Black)
Rear Wing Type A
Chassis Weight Reduction Stage III
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Bonnet
Rigidity Improvement
Sports ECU
RacingAir Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
Fully Customisable LSD
Carbon Propellor Shaft
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Sports Hard Tyres

Settings:
Aerodynamics
Downforce
Rear: 15

Transmission
Set Final 1, then Max Speed, then Final 2 + individual ratios.
Top Speed: 112Mph
1st: 5.077
2nd: 3.770
3rd: 2.937
4th: 2.396
5th: 2.038
6th: 1.766
FD: 3.250/2.500

Drivetrain
LSD
Initial Torque
Rear: 10
Acceleration Sensitivity
Rear: 17
Braking Sensitivity
Rear: 12

Suspension
Fully Customisable Kit
Ride Height
Front: -20 Rear: -20
Spring Rate
Front: 12.8 Rear: 14.0
Dampers(E)
Front: 7 Rear: 7
Dampers(C)
Front: 6 Rear: 6
Anti-Roll Bars
Front: 3 Rear: 2
Camber
Front: 1.4 Rear: 0.9
Toe
Front: -0.09 Rear: 0.10

Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
Balance
Front: 7 Rear:6
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Jackthalad
Funny cause this is tuned with a wheel lol. Glad up like the tune mate and that is a very impressive time, my best was 0:54.xxx. Which end slides the front or rear? I will try to fix this.
:lol: Good to hear, hope you enjoy theres more where they came from next year.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year 👍
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Hi mate,

Yeah, thats odd, right!? :odd:
I thought it wouldnt work for the DS3, but after all it works both ways... :lol:

On racing hard the front slides a little bit, but believe its due to the tyres itself, with the softs that doesn´t happen. In my opinion no need to change anything, the tune is perfect like it is. 👍

Going to try the other tunes tonight. Happy holidays mate! HO!HO!HO! :lol:

Keep up the excelent work! 👍 :)

Chat you soon.

BTW, the GT86 looks mean... :mischievous:
 
cbarbosa
Hi mate,

Yeah, thats odd, right!? :odd:
I thought it wouldnt work for the DS3, but after all it works both ways... :lol:

On racing hard the front slides a little bit, but believe its due to the tyres itself, with the softs that doesn´t happen. In my opinion no need to change anything, the tune is perfect like it is. 👍

Going to try the other tunes tonight. Happy holidays mate! HO!HO!HO! :lol:

Keep up the excelent work! 👍 :)

Chat you soon.

BTW, the GT86 looks mean... :mischievous:
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Cheers m8, and happy holidays to you too.

Just got back home from my trip to wales. Feeling a bit fragile but going to have a bash on GT5. Anybody like to request a tune?
 

Specs:
Vehicle: Mazda Roadster TC
Power: 275BHP
Weight: 795kg
P Points: 523
Colour: Marble White
Purpose: 4hr Tsukuba Circuit Endurance
Distance: 0.0 Miles

Notes:
Smooth driving is the key to even tyre wear. I could make well over 20 laps with each set of tyres, running consistent 58's.

Parts:
Rigidity Improvement
Sports ECU
Engine Tuning Stage III
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Titanium Racing Exhaust
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
Fully Customisable LSD
Carbon Propellor Shaft
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Racing Soft Tyres

Settings:
Aerodynamics
Downforce
Front: 20
Rear: 40

Transmission
Set Final 1, then Max Speed, then Final 2 + individual ratios.
Top Speed: 112Mph
1st: 2.806
2nd: 1.988
3rd: 1.519
4th: 1.217
5th: 1.016
FD: 5.500/4.700

Drivetrain
LSD
Initial Torque
Rear: 10
Acceleration Sensitivity
Rear: 20
Braking Sensitivity
Rear: 10

Suspension
Fully Customisable Kit
Ride Height
Front: -10 Rear: -8
Spring Rate
Front: 12.4 Rear: 8.8
Dampers(E)
Front: 6 Rear: 5
Dampers(C)
Front: 5 Rear: 4
Anti-Roll Bars
Front: 3 Rear: 5
Camber
Front: 1.2 Rear: 1.0
Toe
Front: -0.05 Rear: 0.07

Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
Balance
Front: 6 Rear: 5
​
 
R1600Turbo
Will that Roadster tune work on Racing Hards?
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It will yes, but it it optimized for Racing Softs offline. I took it online on Racing Hards and it was a bit more oversteery, but I could still handle it, my time online with racing hards was: 0:57.899
 
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Mercedez-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II Touring Car '92

Power:
481BHP
Weight:
980kg
P Points:
579
Colour:
--
Purpose:
Spa Francorchamps Circuit
Distance:
1,349.9 Miles

Notes:
Easy car to drive, can take Eau-Rouge & Radion Flat out.
Not tested on Racing Hards.
Review by M_Star01

Parts:
Engine Overhaul
Restore Body Rigidity
Titanium Racing Exhaust
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Fully Customisable Transmission
Fully Customisable LSD
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Racing Soft Tyres

Settings:
Aerodynamics
Downforce
Front: 35
Rear: 60

Transmission
Set Final 1, then Max Speed, then Final 2 + individual ratios.
Top Speed: 143Mph
1st: 3.380
2nd: 2.391
3rd: 1.797
4th: 1.412
5th: 1.160
6th: 0.995
FD: 5.500/4.173

Drivetrain
LSD
Initial Torque
Rear: 12
Acceleration Sensitivity
Rear: 28
Braking Sensitivity
Rear: 8

Suspension
Fully Customisable Kit
Ride Height
Front: -15 Rear: -15
Spring Rate
Front: 15.2 Rear: 14.8
Dampers(E)
Front: 4 Rear: 5
Dampers(C)
Front: 4 Rear: 5
Anti-Roll Bars
Front: 3 Rear: 4
Camber
Front: 1.8 Rear: 0.5
Toe
Front: -0.02 Rear: 0.00

Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
Balance
Front: 7 Rear: 5
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Jackthalad

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Specs:
Vehicle: Toyota 86 GT '12
Power: 340BHP
Weight: 1092kg
P Points: 500
Colour: New Indy Yellow Pearl
Purpose: All round Track setup
Distance: 38.8 Miles

Notes:
Fast little car.
Tuned for shorter tracks.

Parts:
Enkei JS+M's (Black)
Oil Change
Front Aero Type A
Rear Aero Type A
Rear Wing Type B
Chassis Weight Reduction Stage III
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Bonnet
Rigidity Improvement
Sports ECU
Engine Tuning Stage II
Sports Intake Manifold
Sports Air Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
Fully Customisable LSD
Carbon Propellor Shaft
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

Settings:
Aerodynamics
Downforce
Rear: 19

Transmission
Set Final 1, then Max Speed, then Final 2 + individual ratios.
Top Speed: 112Mph
1st: 4.669
2nd: 3.553
3rd: 2.795
4th: 2.295
5th: 1.935
6th: 1.641
FD: 3.500/2.500

Drivetrain
LSD
Initial Torque
Rear: 10
Acceleration Sensitivity
Rear: 15
Braking Sensitivity
Rear: 12

Suspension
Fully Customisable Kit
Ride Height
Front: -20 Rear: -20
Spring Rate
Front: 12.8 Rear: 14.0
Dampers(E)
Front: 7 Rear: 7
Dampers(C)
Front: 6 Rear: 6
Anti-Roll Bars
Front: 3 Rear: 2
Camber
Front: 1.5 Rear: 1.0
Toe
Front: -0.07 Rear: 0.10

Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
Balance
Front: 7 Rear:6
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Thanks for posting this tune. I tried this out, but I had a lot of problems when the circuits were even slightly hilly. I assume this is most likely due to the ride height being a bit too low or the suspension being too tight. Also, I find that the gearbox was a bit too close for my liking as I had to change the gears far too often. While the car does have a lower HP which means that you can't really have long gears, I felt that the gears in this tune were a bit too close. Anyway, thanks again and hope this is helpful!
 
xbenbox
Thanks for posting this tune. I tried this out, but I had a lot of problems when the circuits were even slightly hilly. I assume this is most likely due to the ride height being a bit too low or the suspension being too tight. Also, I find that the gearbox was a bit too close for my liking as I had to change the gears far too often. While the car does have a lower HP which means that you can't really have long gears, I felt that the gears in this tune were a bit too close. Anyway, thanks again and hope this is helpful!
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Yeah thanks for the feedback, the car was tuned at Tsukuba Circuit which doesnt have many hills or bumps and thats why the gearbox is short too. If you try it there it will perform as its meant too. Thanks though.
 
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Lancia Stratos '73

Power:
328BHP
Weight:
901kg
P Points:
500
Colour:
Lancia Dark Blue
Purpose:
Cote d'Azur Circuit
Distance:
408.2 Miles

Notes:
Tuned for Clueless Tunes Classic Car Shootout
The gears are short but if you want to use it for longer tracks set the final gear to 3.170, you should reach a top speed of 170mph on the straight at Nurburgring with no draft.

Parts:
Oil Change
Rays Volk Racing TE37
Restore Body Rigidity
Rear Wing Type B
Weight Reduction Stage III
Window Weight Reduction
Engine Tuning Stage II
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Sports Air Filter
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Titanium Racing Exhaust
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Fully Customisable Transmission
Fully Customisable LSD
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

Settings:
Aerodynamics
Downforce
Rear: 20

Ballast
Amount: 29kg
Position: -50

Transmission
Set Final 1, then Max Speed, then Final 2 + individual ratios.
Top Speed: 112Mph
1st: 2.808
2nd: 1.989
3rd: 1.533
4th: 1.233
5th: 1.029
FD: 5.500/4.100

Drivetrain
LSD
Initial Torque
Rear: 16
Acceleration Sensitivity
Rear: 13
Braking Sensitivity
Rear: 28

Suspension
Fully Customisable Kit
Ride Height
Front: -25 Rear: -20
Spring Rate
Front: 8.2 Rear: 8.6
Dampers(E)
Front: 7 Rear: 8
Dampers(C)
Front: 3 Rear: 2
Anti-Roll Bars
Front: 6 Rear: 2
Camber
Front: 1.4 Rear: 3.5
Toe
Front: 0.05 Rear: 0.35

Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
Balance
Front: 9 Rear: 6
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Hello, I'm new to gtplanet and I have some questions about your gtr 600pp tune:
why not reduce window weight and carbon bonnet?
why not use race softs?
thanks for the tune though!! I really appreciate the effort you guys put in.
 
why not reduce window weight and carbon bonnet?
Because then it be more than 600pp.
why not use race softs?
If you want you can use racing softs, I used this car in the supercar seasonal event and with racing softs it was a bit too easy.
thanks for the tune though!! I really appreciate the effort you guys put in.
No problem man, I enjoy tuning cars and to get feedback on them now and then is nice.
 
Hello mate,

Just to leave a small feedback for the Stratos:

The car rides perfectly, its so stable you tottaly forgot that its using sport softs. Feels like your using racing softs...

The gearbox ratios are very good, just a little note: the lack of a 6th gear is notorious, mainly because the 5th enters very quickly when on big straights (the ring), even after adjusting the final gear ratio.

The acceleration is awesome, mainly because of the car low weight and size.

Overall its an excellent tune, at the same level that as all the others tunes of Top Performance... 👍

Average car + Top Performance Tuning = Speed Devil :lol:

Chat you soon.
Cheers
 
Jackthalad
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Mercedez-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II Touring Car '92

Power:
481BHP
Weight:
980kg
P Points:
579
Colour:
--
Purpose:
Spa Francorchamps Circuit
Distance:
1,349.9 Miles

Notes:
Easy car to drive, can take Eau-Rouge & Radion Flat out.
Not tested on Racing Hards.

Parts:
Engine Overhaul
Restore Body Rigidity
Titanium Racing Exhaust
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Fully Customisable Transmission
Fully Customisable LSD
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Racing Soft Tyres

Settings:
Aerodynamics
Downforce
Front: 35
Rear: 60

Transmission
Set Final 1, then Max Speed, then Final 2 + individual ratios.
Top Speed: 143Mph
1st: 3.380
2nd: 2.391
3rd: 1.797
4th: 1.412
5th: 1.160
6th: 0.995
FD: 5.500/4.173

Drivetrain
LSD
Initial Torque
Rear: 12
Acceleration Sensitivity
Rear: 28
Braking Sensitivity
Rear: 8

Suspension
Fully Customisable Kit
Ride Height
Front: -15 Rear: -15
Spring Rate
Front: 15.2 Rear: 14.8
Dampers(E)
Front: 4 Rear: 5
Dampers(C)
Front: 4 Rear: 5
Anti-Roll Bars
Front: 3 Rear: 4
Camber
Front: 1.8 Rear: 0.5
Toe
Front: -0.02 Rear: 0.00

Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
Balance
Front: 7 Rear: 5
​
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As a thanks to JacktheLad for helping me i am reviewing this tune.
I tried this set-up offline and online on SPA circuit but I done my test on the Nurbergring GP/F as I am more familiar with this circuit as I have only recently purchased the DLC with SPA. I will do a SPA review later. I like this circuit as its not to long and I can do quick changes and go out to test and it has a combination of all kinds of corner and gradients to test suspensions etc etc.

Driving Style:
No particular strange driving style except I brake late as I can and turn while braking to hit the apex and then I hit the throttle mid corner to maintain a HIGH mid corner speed and maximise exit corner speed. I also feel for the front of a car in fast corners and modulate the throttle to bring the front into a fast change of direction. I try to ease of the throttle rather then brake.
Method:
First lap bring tyres to temp. Below is from 2nd lap onwards. I did 10 laps after each corner I paused and wrote down what I felt. I sometimes compare it against my other DTM TC the CLK tuned using GTP tune DB with same PP as the maxed 190E PP.

First corner:
Brake same point as CLK TC, brakes are surprising very good in the 190E, I brake and turn into the apex and I easily bring the front back to the corner as the turn in, this good as the stability on hard braking seems ok the LSD deceleration seems spot on for me . The braking seems more stable, can still feel a slight "wondering" when I try to turn sharper turn in but that’s me being greedy.
Accelerating out of first corner, i get good traction and can control the oversteer which is very slight, and I push into 2nd corner, no rapid oversteer problems here, Throttle control is the key. Looking at my telemetry the 190E TC gains traction a little quicker (with same LSD Acceleration settings) then the CLK I think this could do with the weight is lower in the 190E TC, but we talking minor on the graph and I approach turn 2 quicker.

Second corner:
I brake and no dramas no braking instability because its not a hard braking corner, I turn in, AGAIN fantastic turn in and as the corner is not long I can accelerate out of the corner quickly onto the outside. Looking on the telemetry I am pretty much same as the CLK TC on turn in and acceleration points. Acceleration seems fantastic compared to stock I fly through the gears, No dramas here onto corner 3.



3rd corner:
I like to brake early here to bring myself into a good line for corner 4. Again I brake in and there is a fantastic turn in, usually I get a bit of oversteer with race cars with the rapid change of direction, but the new tune makes me feel good and is very responsive to my steering. I make the corner and accelerate early, traction seems good again and 8/10 laps I layed black lines after this corner.
4th corner:
Easy right hander I turn and wait until I get to the end of the corner and accelerate hard. Telemetry shows I get better acceleration then the CLK from 3 and 4 corners not sure why but maybe weight issue. Car through the slower corners seems good 1-4 corners onto the more open corners. No drams a simple corner and no traction problems and I accelerate to end of sector 1.

5th corner:
this corner is very deceiving, its bumpy hard for all 4 wheels to brake at same time due to camber of the corner, I brake and can feel the front go light and back skips right on the bump into the corner, braking seems excellent again, with the LSD initial torque I can turn easier then my original settings. I scrub speed off, turn left, left and mid-corner bump kicks me out I brake and bring the front in and can see the rear suspension bouncing giving me confidence to drive HARD out of the corner. Car seems different then before more stable in turn 4. The downforce level is high and Its helping. Telemetry/reply shows I do understeer in this corner but this is the same as the CLK as the corner is requires you to slow down more then you think because of the corner layout and bumps.

6th corner:
I hit the corner and I can feel again the car again stable on entry and as I pump the throttle to maintain a higher corner speed without de-accelerating too much. I notice a difference here the 190E TC press accelerator harder and can feel the car oversteering and I ease off and before I know it the corner is exiting and I accelerate out. Telemetry shows I am doing less corrections due to my tune which caused me oversteer and I had big lift at exit so I don’t go into the sand. I bolt out of the corner downhill and the acceleration of the 190E TC is really great now, due to the transmission settings rather than default. I feel it going really good it out accelerates the CLK upto the corner before the CLK comes back. I see the next corner.

7th corner:
I hit brakes at an angle into the corner, I hit the apex bang on (9/10 laps), notice the braking stability again drifting but manageable. Just like braking late in corner 6. No oversteer and the fantastic turn in allows me to start hitting the throttle earlier as I can keep turning. The camber of the corner doesn’t affect the car at all. I accelerate quickly and again I love this car.

This point on I approach the second sector and my impression always is how predictable the car is. Its very stable and I know what’s its going to do. It’s like the CLK consistent and I can churn out consistent laptimes if I keep discipline.

8th/9th corner:
I see my acceleration up the hill is much better I hit a higher speed before I brake, compared to my tune. This is a quick chicane VERY challenging, and with cars with good front downforce I can just blend off of the throttle and control the slides by careful throttle and a touch of brake to get through the corner. With race cars with amazing front ends its flat. I hve little lift just to turn in and then BANG straight onto the throttle if I had a steering wheel I can take this flat I am convinced. Suspension working good in this sequence. The 190E seems ok with rapid change of direction (tested on SPA and it was mega!). This corner was a BIG difference compared to my tune. Again I can really rely on the car now to give me confidence. Feels its has tons of downforce and great turn in.

10th corner:
Acceleration when you get 8 and 9 corner right dictates how quick you get to this corner, and therefore 8 and 9 is so important. Again the transmission settings give me rapid acceleration, I know this corner is sooo deceiving it looks wide and you can take serious speed into it. Here I see this 90 degrees corner and brake HARD due to the speed I got up the hill I get quick turn in and no sign of understeer as this is a short sharp corner, I accelerate slowly and go wide as the oversteer kicks in I keep on it and feel the suspension working due to the outside curb is raised. Car again no understeer and wants to reward finesse here and controllable oversteer.
11th corner:
I want to get through this corner quickly with good speed to maximise my top speed. I take a wide line and then I do NOT brake, I let the car de-accelerate I hit the apex with the turn in being good, and I do 3 small pumps to bring me outside the corner and when I see the green curb at the exit I floor the throttle and down the straight. Consistent car and no dramas I really out drove a lot of DTM cars from this corner and could easily pass/get along side them on the straight.

12/13th corner:
With the scream and transmission setting the acceleration is great I hit a much higher speed on the back straight. I want to brake same place as the CLK - the 2nd braking metre board and hit the brakes and again feel the stable braking and as I like to turn while braking late it rewards me with a fast brake/turn into the corner. 190E feels good as I can turn in -LEFT -pump the throttle- and RIGHT and accelerate out and feel the back sliding onto the curb as the oversteer kicks in due to me being greedy to accelerate out aggressively. The car felt good through the chicane when you nail it it feels so satisfying. As I get great traction.

Last corner:
I approach the corner and this is a long corner which sucks you and then you need to brake a lot to stop you going wide. This corner really shows how much understeer you have I brake early and keep pumping the throttle and wait for front slide, correct (brake a little), I repeat this until I get to the end of the corner. There is a little oversteer I can feel which is because I am greedy with the throttle. On exit I power out of the corner again the power oversteer is there but I just keep on it as I want to hit a good speed to end the lap and start a new lap.

Conclusions:
Car definitely improvement but is it going to be the best in DTM class I think so! At 580pp I was beating the CLK and 155 online on this circuit and SPA I only lost the races as there can be some dirty drivers who push u wide and then its race over. But I was holding my own this car is immense I love it!!!!!. The stock tune is rubbish with this new tune its devastating I can take SPA eau-rouge flat and be very competitive with other DTMs. Transmission settings were great vast change to stock. I gain a lot of time accelerating as it’s a light car. I think I could take the quick chicane a little quicker if I was brave. Overall VERY easy car to drive now, I love it and not many people have it so its surprises people online when I race it.
Overall congrats jacktheLad great tune, the car is good before now it give all those DTM fanboys another car to think about as with the max PP for this car (it cannot go as high PP as CLK etc) it can out do those well-known DTM cars. Old is gold  long live the 190E Evo II, TC 1992, you was great in GT4 and now in GT5 you have redeemed yourself as the top dog in its PP class, thanks Jack my love for this car continues for GT5, after waiting over 11 months for it to appear in UCD.
 
cbarbosa
Hello mate,

Just to leave a small feedback for the Stratos:

The car rides perfectly, its so stable you tottaly forgot that its using sport softs. Feels like your using racing softs...

The gearbox ratios are very good, just a little note: the lack of a 6th gear is notorious, mainly because the 5th enters very quickly when on big straights (the ring), even after adjusting the final gear ratio.

The acceleration is awesome, mainly because of the car low weight and size.

Overall its an excellent tune, at the same level that as all the others tunes of Top Performance... 👍

Average car + Top Performance Tuning = Speed Devil :lol:

Chat you soon.
Cheers
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Very good to hear, thanks. 👍

Its a possible entry for the Clueless Classic Car Shootout, so knowing that someone else thinks is good helps me to make my decision on which car to enter.

m_star01
As a thanks to JacktheLad for helping me i am reviewing this tune.
I tried this set-up offline and online on SPA circuit but I done my test on the Nurbergring GP/F as I am more familiar with this circuit as I have only recently purchased the DLC with SPA. I will do a SPA review later. I like this circuit as its not to long and I can do quick changes and go out to test and it has a combination of all kinds of corner and gradients to test suspensions etc etc.

Driving Style:
No particular strange driving style except I brake late as I can and turn while braking to hit the apex and then I hit the throttle mid corner to maintain a HIGH mid corner speed and maximise exit corner speed. I also feel for the front of a car in fast corners and modulate the throttle to bring the front into a fast change of direction. I try to ease of the throttle rather then brake.
Method:
First lap bring tyres to temp. Below is from 2nd lap onwards. I did 10 laps after each corner I paused and wrote down what I felt. I sometimes compare it against my other DTM TC the CLK tuned using GTP tune DB with same PP as the maxed 190E PP.

First corner:
Brake same point as CLK TC, brakes are surprising very good in the 190E, I brake and turn into the apex and I easily bring the front back to the corner as the turn in, this good as the stability on hard braking seems ok the LSD deceleration seems spot on for me . The braking seems more stable, can still feel a slight "wondering" when I try to turn sharper turn in but that’s me being greedy.
Accelerating out of first corner, i get good traction and can control the oversteer which is very slight, and I push into 2nd corner, no rapid oversteer problems here, Throttle control is the key. Looking at my telemetry the 190E TC gains traction a little quicker (with same LSD Acceleration settings) then the CLK I think this could do with the weight is lower in the 190E TC, but we talking minor on the graph and I approach turn 2 quicker.

Second corner:
I brake and no dramas no braking instability because its not a hard braking corner, I turn in, AGAIN fantastic turn in and as the corner is not long I can accelerate out of the corner quickly onto the outside. Looking on the telemetry I am pretty much same as the CLK TC on turn in and acceleration points. Acceleration seems fantastic compared to stock I fly through the gears, No dramas here onto corner 3.


3rd corner:
I like to brake early here to bring myself into a good line for corner 4. Again I brake in and there is a fantastic turn in, usually I get a bit of oversteer with race cars with the rapid change of direction, but the new tune makes me feel good and is very responsive to my steering. I make the corner and accelerate early, traction seems good again and 8/10 laps I layed black lines after this corner.

4th corner:
Easy right hander I turn and wait until I get to the end of the corner and accelerate hard. Telemetry shows I get better acceleration then the CLK from 3 and 4 corners not sure why but maybe weight issue. Car through the slower corners seems good 1-4 corners onto the more open corners. No drams a simple corner and no traction problems and I accelerate to end of sector 1.

5th corner:
this corner is very deceiving, its bumpy hard for all 4 wheels to brake at same time due to camber of the corner, I brake and can feel the front go light and back skips right on the bump into the corner, braking seems excellent again, with the LSD initial torque I can turn easier then my original settings. I scrub speed off, turn left, left and mid-corner bump kicks me out I brake and bring the front in and can see the rear suspension bouncing giving me confidence to drive HARD out of the corner. Car seems different then before more stable in turn 4. The downforce level is high and Its helping. Telemetry/reply shows I do understeer in this corner but this is the same as the CLK as the corner is requires you to slow down more then you think because of the corner layout and bumps.

6th corner:
I hit the corner and I can feel again the car again stable on entry and as I pump the throttle to maintain a higher corner speed without de-accelerating too much. I notice a difference here the 190E TC press accelerator harder and can feel the car oversteering and I ease off and before I know it the corner is exiting and I accelerate out. Telemetry shows I am doing less corrections due to my tune which caused me oversteer and I had big lift at exit so I don’t go into the sand. I bolt out of the corner downhill and the acceleration of the 190E TC is really great now, due to the transmission settings rather than default. I feel it going really good it out accelerates the CLK upto the corner before the CLK comes back. I see the next corner.

7th corner:
I hit brakes at an angle into the corner, I hit the apex bang on (9/10 laps), notice the braking stability again drifting but manageable. Just like braking late in corner 6. No oversteer and the fantastic turn in allows me to start hitting the throttle earlier as I can keep turning. The camber of the corner doesn’t affect the car at all. I accelerate quickly and again I love this car.

This point on I approach the second sector and my impression always is how predictable the car is. Its very stable and I know what’s its going to do. It’s like the CLK consistent and I can churn out consistent laptimes if I keep discipline.

8th/9th corner:
I see my acceleration up the hill is much better I hit a higher speed before I brake, compared to my tune. This is a quick chicane VERY challenging, and with cars with good front downforce I can just blend off of the throttle and control the slides by careful throttle and a touch of brake to get through the corner. With race cars with amazing front ends its flat. I hve little lift just to turn in and then BANG straight onto the throttle if I had a steering wheel I can take this flat I am convinced. Suspension working good in this sequence. The 190E seems ok with rapid change of direction (tested on SPA and it was mega!). This corner was a BIG difference compared to my tune. Again I can really rely on the car now to give me confidence. Feels its has tons of downforce and great turn in.

10th corner:
Acceleration when you get 8 and 9 corner right dictates how quick you get to this corner, and therefore 8 and 9 is so important. Again the transmission settings give me rapid acceleration, I know this corner is sooo deceiving it looks wide and you can take serious speed into it. Here I see this 90 degrees corner and brake HARD due to the speed I got up the hill I get quick turn in and no sign of understeer as this is a short sharp corner, I accelerate slowly and go wide as the oversteer kicks in I keep on it and feel the suspension working due to the outside curb is raised. Car again no understeer and wants to reward finesse here and controllable oversteer.
11th corner:
I want to get through this corner quickly with good speed to maximise my top speed. I take a wide line and then I do NOT brake, I let the car de-accelerate I hit the apex with the turn in being good, and I do 3 small pumps to bring me outside the corner and when I see the green curb at the exit I floor the throttle and down the straight. Consistent car and no dramas I really out drove a lot of DTM cars from this corner and could easily pass/get along side them on the straight.

12/13th corner:
With the scream and transmission setting the acceleration is great I hit a much higher speed on the back straight. I want to brake same place as the CLK - the 2nd braking metre board and hit the brakes and again feel the stable braking and as I like to turn while braking late it rewards me with a fast brake/turn into the corner. 190E feels good as I can turn in -LEFT -pump the throttle- and RIGHT and accelerate out and feel the back sliding onto the curb as the oversteer kicks in due to me being greedy to accelerate out aggressively. The car felt good through the chicane when you nail it it feels so satisfying. As I get great traction.

Last corner:
I approach the corner and this is a long corner which sucks you and then you need to brake a lot to stop you going wide. This corner really shows how much understeer you have I brake early and keep pumping the throttle and wait for front slide, correct (brake a little), I repeat this until I get to the end of the corner. There is a little oversteer I can feel which is because I am greedy with the throttle. On exit I power out of the corner again the power oversteer is there but I just keep on it as I want to hit a good speed to end the lap and start a new lap.

Conclusions:
Car definitely improvement but is it going to be the best in DTM class I think so! At 580pp I was beating the CLK and 155 online on this circuit and SPA I only lost the races as there can be some dirty drivers who push u wide and then its race over. But I was holding my own this car is immense I love it!!!!!. The stock tune is rubbish with this new tune its devastating I can take SPA eau-rouge flat and be very competitive with other DTMs. Transmission settings were great vast change to stock. I gain a lot of time accelerating as it’s a light car. I think I could take the quick chicane a little quicker if I was brave. Overall VERY easy car to drive now, I love it and not many people have it so its surprises people online when I race it.
Overall congrats jacktheLad great tune, the car is good before now it give all those DTM fanboys another car to think about as with the max PP for this car (it cannot go as high PP as CLK etc) it can out do those well-known DTM cars. Old is gold  long live the 190E Evo II, TC 1992, you was great in GT4 and now in GT5 you have redeemed yourself as the top dog in its PP class, thanks Jack my love for this car continues for GT5, after waiting over 11 months for it to appear in UCD.
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Thanks alot for the detailed race report/review, really happy that you liked it. The car did have a slight bit of oversteer but with the wheel and pedals (which I use) it really isnt a problem and you dont really notice it. If you want you can make a request for a car, you dont have do request it now though, just whenever you want really. And I'll be looking foward to your SPA review 👍

Thanks again,

Jack
 
Jackthalad
Very good to hear, thanks. 👍

Thanks alot for the detailed race report/review, really happy that you liked it. The car did have a slight bit of oversteer but with the wheel and pedals (which I use) it really isnt a problem and you dont really notice it. If you want you can make a request for a car, you dont have do request it now though, just whenever you want really. And I'll be looking foward to your SPA review 👍

Thanks again,

Jack
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Yes there is oversteer, when i just tried it with pad, but i don't mind the oversteer in the car. I am easy on throttle on exits as i use no assists. On SPA you notice it on turn 7 the big loop downhill one. I have most cars which have oversteer so to me i just take it on the chin. Understeer is what kills me.
 
chrisjohnson93
Jack will you be waiting for the 2.03 patch before modifying the Honda Civic type R '08
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Possibly now you mention it, but i'm more just waiting until my new pedals arrive, they are due on friday, so might have some time over the weekend to tune one up.
 

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