Totally disillusioned with GT Sport after update !!!!

[BSDShoes]

I don't think this screenshot is telling you what you think it is. I think it's a display bug, or some kind of PD glitch.

Firstly, they have no DR, that can't be right.
Secondly, their SR is white, which means no change (up or down), so they can't have dropped from S or A in this race as you're suggesting.

I took another screenshot yesterday after a race and the one that quit the race also had -- E. Wonder if there's a way to look up their profile on GTS somewhere to see their ratings.

 

[TenderLoins]

Quitting a race does not automatically drop you to E. I’ve quit races since attaining SR/S long ago and have only dropped to A once.

 

[JesseDeya]

Yup, need a virtual mirror option in every view. Most cockpits you can't see the mirrors either. Only reason I don't use cockpit view. Most if not all other driving games and sims have a virtual mirror option in every view.

A mirror in bonnet view would be great, but I use a combo of glance back, the radar and split times so I generally don’t get surprised by anyone other than super dive-bombers - which you can do very little about half the time anyway.

In GTS the cockpit view has a vitrual rearview mirror.So there is no reason -for you- for not using that view.
Now,the "bonnet" cam has an advantage when it comes to breaking zone/placing the car into a corner entry or exit,using the full lenght of track compared other views (example the cockpit).
PD to make it more "fair",removed the rearview mirror from that camera in order to make it less "OP" compared to others.
All these because they could not do the obvious (when we talk about e-sports sim racing):
force a proper cockpit view on everyone and problem solved.

Conjecture? Has PD ever said this is why there is no mirror?

Forcing cockpit doesn’t fix anything, most people don’t even know you can adjust cockpit view (I go all the way up and all the way back) to see the mirrors better.

I’d prefer if there was some FOV adjustment though!

Well, PD considers the bonnet view unnatural, for some reason, so tries to discourage people to use it with things like that.
PD doesn't thing that's realistic, but considers the front bumper view a "Normal View" (as it calls it in the Manual).
And indeed some cockpits don't allow you to see the mirrors (some don't have a central rear view mirror, as the car doesnn't have a rear window, but again, for some reason, there is one on bumper camera).

More conjecture? Can you link to PD stating this?

Also, adjust cockpit view as I’ve said above and you can usually see enough of your mirrors.

 

[Deadheadbill]

A mirror in bonnet view would be great, but I use a combo of glance back, the radar and split times so I generally don’t get surprised by anyone other than super dive-bombers - which you can do very little about half the time anyway.



Conjecture? Has PD ever said this is why there is no mirror?

Forcing cockpit doesn’t fix anything, most people don’t even know you can adjust cockpit view (I go all the way up and all the way back) to see the mirrors better.

I’d prefer if there was some FOV adjustment though!



More conjecture? Can you link to PD stating this?

Also, adjust cockpit view as I’ve said above and you can usually see enough of your mirrors.

It's not conjecture. I'm too lazy to look it up but Kaz himself said paraphrasing "the bonnet view is the easiest mode to drive in and if we put a mirror on it no one would use any other view."

 

[FPV MIC]

A mirror in bonnet view would be great, but I use a combo of glance back, the radar and split times so I generally don’t get surprised by anyone other than super dive-bombers - which you can do very little about half the time anyway.



Conjecture? Has PD ever said this is why there is no mirror?

Forcing cockpit doesn’t fix anything, most people don’t even know you can adjust cockpit view (I go all the way up and all the way back) to see the mirrors better.

I’d prefer if there was some FOV adjustment though!



More conjecture? Can you link to PD stating this?

Also, adjust cockpit view as I’ve said above and you can usually see enough of your mirrors.

Kaz mentioned it in an interview, but he called it roof view.

GTP: Why is there no rear-view mirror available in the “roof view”?
KY: There is no real technical reason why it is not there, but the roof view is easier to drive with. It might be unfair if [a rear-view mirror] was there. If you make the view too easy for people to use, everyone might just be using that view.


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Kazunori Yamauchi at E3: Multiclass Racing, Customized Race Suits and Another Beta?

 

[Majado]

Im a bit frustrated... DR B/ SR S

I was not able to turn faster laps with Gr4 cars. Before the update my times with Gr3 and Gr4 cars were 2-2.5s slower than #1. After the update I managed to keep that pace with Gr3 cars.

However, when it comes to Gr4, I'm 4-5s slower now! What is going on guys?

I'll avoid Gr4 races more than the devil

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Im a bit frustrated... DR B/ SR S

I was not able to turn faster laps with Gr4 cars. Before the update my times with Gr3 and Gr4 cars were 2-2.5s slower than #1. After the update I managed to keep that pace with Gr3 cars.

However, when it comes to Gr4, I'm 4-5s slower now! What is going on guys?

I'll avoid Gr4 races more than the devil

I have experienced the exact same thing! Gr3 the update feels good, gr4 is much worse than prior to the update.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Kaz mentioned it in an interview, but he called it roof view.

GTP: Why is there no rear-view mirror available in the “roof view”?
KY: There is no real technical reason why it is not there, but the roof view is easier to drive with. It might be unfair if [a rear-view mirror] was there. If you make the view too easy for people to use, everyone might just be using that view.


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Kazunori Yamauchi at E3: Multiclass Racing, Customized Race Suits and Another Beta?

Kaz logic. Don't give the fans what they want because it makes the game easier

 

[andrewhake]

I am so sick of the endless swarm of threads like these. GTPlanet used to be full of reasonable people with reasonable thoughts and ideas.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I am so sick of the endless swarm of threads like these. GTPlanet used to be full of reasonable people with reasonable thoughts and ideas.

Then why do you keep viewing them? If you don't like it, move on to something else?

 

[Woodybobs]

I am so sick of the endless swarm of threads like these. GTPlanet used to be full of reasonable people with reasonable thoughts and ideas.

Imagine a group of people getting together to discuss a subject. It's an informal, unstructured group which leads to a fragmentation into smaller groups each having their own sub-discussion. Now imagine someone getting everyone's attention to say what you've written. The group hushes, eagerly awaiting the revelation that will surely follow. But no revelation comes. The stranger leaves. Bewilderment ensues. "What's he on about", "who's he talking to", are the immediate reactions from the crowd. Concern for the stranger starts to build. "Where's he gone?" "Is he alright?" "Should we help him?" The group only has unanswered questions. The stranger is gone, so what can anyone do. One man says, "I hope he gets help, but it's not our problem now. Those were not the actions of a reasonable person." The original discussion resumes.

 

[JesseDeya]

Kaz mentioned it in an interview, but he called it roof view.

GTP: Why is there no rear-view mirror available in the “roof view”?
KY: There is no real technical reason why it is not there, but the roof view is easier to drive with. It might be unfair if [a rear-view mirror] was there. If you make the view too easy for people to use, everyone might just be using that view.


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Kazunori Yamauchi at E3: Multiclass Racing, Customized Race Suits and Another Beta?

Well that's just ridiculous, thanks for the link, didn't know they had gone 'fully Kaz’ on this issue.

 

[englishbob]

I've been playing this game pretty much daily since launch, but the penalty system is now so broken it is completely ruining my enjoyment of proceedings. No doubt it will be re-worked in future updates, but its hard to see the system has moved forward in the latest update.

Its tempting to shelve this game for a while and let the dust settle. Trouble is as soon as I shelve something and it joins the pile of shame I already have, the likelyhood of me returning to it are slim indeed.

But I'm getting bored of penalties for being hit.

RADAR MODE MUST BE ENABLED BY DEFAULT IN GT SPORT RACES

 

[th3o]

But I'm getting bored of penalties for being hit.

RADAR MODE MUST BE ENABLED BY DEFAULT IN GT SPORT RACES

I understand that you are frustrated, but in this particular case it is not really super clear that its the games fault, its the problem that its just hard to detect what the context of the situation was and i honestly dont know if any system could detect this.
When you stop the video at 0:19 and put yourself in the penalty-systems shoes, then you could think that you divebombed the guy. Thats where the severity of the penality comes from.
But aside from that, i sort of can't give you a complete pass on this incident either. At the time you were hit (0:19), you sort of drove still straight forward, steering wheel is straight, but actually you should already have steered a bit to the left and to a certain % you also provoced the contact because you were ready to force the guy to go way outside. Similar to what Rosberg did 2016 in Spielberg to Hamilton. Rosberg was on the inside and let himself go wide and forced Hamilton to go also wide if Hamilton did not want a collision. I would say its 70-30 that other guys fault though

Rosberg/Hamilton incident (min 3:04)

 

[englishbob]

@th3o Some great analysis on that replay, cheers

I couldn't really start my turn under such heavy breaking at any other time though, otherwise I would of been off and into the barrier.

I gave the other driver plenty of room on the right as you can see, so that he wouldn't collide with me under breaking and had some opportunity to pass should he be able to pull it off. The radar bottom right shows him turning in too early and causing the collision.

I'm guessing the "system" at the point of impact thought that the other car was now in front of mine and I have gone into the side of him. In any-case, a 10 second penalty on an assumption was so harsh my finishing position went from 2nd to 11th.

 

[Deadheadbill]

I'm guessing the "system" at the point of impact thought that the other car was now in front of mine and I have gone into the side of him. In any-case, a 10 second penalty on an assumption was so harsh my finishing position went from 2nd to 11th.

Yeah, I think that is what happened also. While it was a bad penalty for you I don't know if any system could have caught that.

 

[FUNanywhere]

Thats impossible to detect for any algorithm.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, I think that is what happened also. While it was a bad penalty for you I don't know if any system could have caught that.

Thats impossible to detect for any algorithm.

It's not possible for a system to detect that the car that was hit was moving in a straight line and the other car ran into him? You can't be serious.

 

[th3o]

It's not possible for a system to detect that the car that was hit was moving in a straight line and the other car ran into him? You can't be serious.

I think we are serious. Its a corner situation, so why was the one car driving straight? - could the algorithm ask itself also.
Most of the time, cars which drive straight into a cornering one are at fault (divebombing), so i guess the algorithm just takes it from there. In this particular case it was wrong as we saw.
I cant imagine any algorithm getting the full context of the situation.
It just recognizes a hit from behind which automatically it detects as a divebomb. Otherwise the algorithm must be active all the time, analyzing everything although nothing happens. Thats impossible resource wise.
Guy who cut him just needs to be more aware and less aggressive. Thats the only solution. Except its some sort of GT Finals with human officials watching the race also.

 

[Animera]

Yeah, pause the game and make the user wait so the whole CPU can be used to run through all the crash/contact algorithms.
And then still get it wrong because the car that was going straight also had brakes slightly applied.