Totally disillusioned with GT Sport after update !!!!

[Psycho Turtle]

I think the game needs some kind of algorithm which detects within braking zones the amount of speed a car is hit from behind.
Its probably a lot of coding work but its the only way to ensure that the one who gets bumped into from behind, is just not at fault.
And depending on how hard the hit is (the system should be able to detect the difference in speed between the two cars) the divebomber should get a black flag and be removed from the race. or if thats to severe, there should be time penalties added to that driver at the end of the race. penalties that you can not clear off during the race by slowing down.

Also, you need to be in a certain range to another car in order to get your SR up. You need to be racing someone. Driving all alone with no one in sight, its not worthy of giving you SR up. SR should only be earned when driving, lets say, within 100m of another car.

The algorithm may already exist. If you have a "slow down" penalty the time does not run off in the braking zones. So, there is already an algorithm monitoring the cars behavior in the braking zone, it just needs to be applied to the SR rating system.

 

[pedrocor]

I will post a screenshot of the results after race, the race was SR S and the two DNF's ended up as E, everyone else was S or A.

Well, no DR to booth... maybe their first race ever? Don't have any DR classification and some SR penalty for bad driving and quitting, put it on E from default?

 

[ElFlambe]

Raced on Dragon Trail Manufacturer race tonight. Qualified in 4th after letting all the other cars leave the garages. I though now I'm in for a good race.

Car in front of me played pinball trough the bus stop chicane. I had no where to go and got caught up in the crash. Tried to get back my positions but just got bounced around by the slower drivers. No penalties seemed to be awarded anywhere. Ended up last after 2 laps and rage quit.

And this was a DR B, SR S race - doesn't anyone drive cleanly any more

Absolutely nothing has changed! My racing experience is being ruined by arseholes who deliberately ram you and the sr system is letting them get away with it!!!! The only reason I haven't thrown my controller at the tv, in a rage, is because I can't afford a new one, (tv or controller).

 

[ElFlambe]

All those having constant bad races need to look into themselves rather than blaming the game. If you are having this much trouble then you are also at fault.

Seriously better these people move away from GT as they intend to so that we can have good races.


Unable to use mirrors, getting hit at every corner,etc is just bad all-round driving on your part also. Having such race on 1-2 times out of 10 is fine but having them 7-8 timed then its your fault also.

Use Mirrors and think.

********!! Dumb morons ramming into the back of you on a hairpin bend, because they couldn't be bothered to take the time to learn the track, or the braking points, has nothing to do with using mirrors or thinking! Especially where the driver doing the ramming is concerned! Besides which, what about those of us who like to drive with the bonnet view, for which there is no mirror.

 

[Loopdreams]

I try my best to remain philosophical, if winning is that important to someone that they want to look like an idiot doing it then, whatever. Also though what can be worth doing is saving your replay and watching incidents from someone else's POV.

I've had more than a couple of incidents where some cheating sob just blatantly rammed me from behind and then watching it back their only crime was to brake a little early which then caused the car behind to send them straight into me. It doesn't take much of a lapse, I did it last night and I felt awful. At Interlagos I missed my braking into the first corner, I was distracted watching the two cars in front getting into it with each other and I completely wiped both of them out. I'm quite sure that they will have thought I did it on purpose but it was a momentary lapse.

It's also often worth spending a bit of time thinking about how a little rub from your perspective can feel like being rammed to the person you just made contact with. I've watched loads of YouTube videos of people calling out other players whilst being seemingly oblivious to how their own driving might appear sometimes.

Not saying that there aren't lots of cheats and outright idiots out there but I honestly think they're massively outnumbered by people just making mistakes. And in any case the only way they can really ruin it for you is if you throw your toys out of the pram and let them. There's still lots of good racing to be had.

In a racing series where the only bar to entry is owning a PS4 and a copy of a game it's a pretty forlorn hope to expect everyone to behave like proper racing drivers.

Driving with no mirrors is a terrible idea btw. People expect and assume that you have some awareness of what's going on around. If nothing else you might see someone steaming up the inside line and have a chance to change your line, brake earlier, let them sail off the track and go on your way.

 

[ElFlambe]

I try my best to remain philosophical, if winning is that important to someone that they want to look like an idiot doing it then, whatever. Also though what can be worth doing is saving your replay and watching incidents from someone else's POV.

I've had more than a couple of incidents where some cheating sob just blatantly rammed me from behind and then watching it back their only crime was to brake a little early which then caused the car behind to send them straight into me. It doesn't take much of a lapse, I did it last night and I felt awful. At Interlagos I missed my braking into the first corner, I was distracted watching the two cars in front getting into it with each other and I completely wiped both of them out. I'm quite sure that they will have thought I did it on purpose but it was a momentary lapse.

It's also often worth spending a bit of time thinking about how a little rub from your perspective can feel like being rammed to the person you just made contact with. I've watched loads of YouTube videos of people calling out other players whilst being seemingly oblivious to how their own driving might appear sometimes.

Not saying that there aren't lots of cheats and outright idiots out there but I honestly think they're massively outnumbered by people just making mistakes. And in any case the only way they can really ruin it for you is if you throw your toys out of the pram and let them. There's still lots of good racing to be had.

In a racing series where the only bar to entry is owning a PS4 and a copy of a game it's a pretty forlorn hope to expect everyone to behave like proper racing drivers.

Driving with no mirrors is a terrible idea btw. People expect and assume that you have some awareness of what's going on around. If nothing else you might see someone steaming up the inside line and have a chance to change your line, let them sail off the track and go on your way.

So why haven't PD incorporated a rearview mirror into the bonnet view? Seems like a bit of an oversight to me.

 

[Loopdreams]

I dunno man but I'd highly suggest using a view that has mirrors, you're racing half blind.

 

[Johnnypenso]

So why haven't PD incorporated a rearview mirror into the bonnet view? Seems like a bit of an oversight to me.

Only PD knows why they make some of the decisions they make. It defies logic to most of us.

 

[JulesDennis]

I try my best to remain philosophical, if winning is that important to someone that they want to look like an idiot doing it then, whatever. Also though what can be worth doing is saving your replay and watching incidents from someone else's POV.

Checking replays and learning from those only apply to people that actually know the basic rules of vitrual -and/or real life- racing.
People that dont are not going to learn anything from replays.

I've had more than a couple of incidents where some cheating sob just blatantly rammed me from behind and then watching it back their only crime was to brake a little early which then caused the car behind to send them straight into me. It doesn't take much of a lapse, I did it last night and I felt awful. At Interlagos I missed my braking into the first corner, I was distracted watching the two cars in front getting into it with each other and I completely wiped both of them out. I'm quite sure that they will have thought I did it on purpose but it was a momentary lapse.

Everyone will (or do) mistakes in the track.Even pro drivers (in vitrual or real life) make mistakes.But when people make 1-2 "mistakes" per lap or per sector (that many times effect others too) then we cannot call them just mistakes.Those people -and there are a lot of that kind even in the top DR rating- can only hotlap 1-2 good laps out of 10.And those people pretty much dont know how to race against other humans.

It's also often worth spending a bit of time thinking about how a little rub from your perspective can feel like being rammed to the person you just made contact with. I've watched loads of YouTube videos of people calling out other players whilst being seemingly oblivious to how their own driving might appear sometimes.

No matter how it feels,someone or both made a mistake and created that situation/contact.This is from people that despite their pace,they have zero ability to race with others around them -when it happens too often-.

Not saying that there aren't lots of cheats and outright idiots out there but I honestly think they're massively outnumbered by people just making mistakes. And in any case the only way they can really ruin it for you is if you throw your toys out of the pram and let them. There's still lots of good racing to be had.

I cannot at this point justify every stupid move someone does -especially when he is supposed to be a fast and clean driver example DR A/SR S- and say "it was just a mistake-.
Most of the times is not just a mistake:its a move that should not have happend in the first place because it was never going to work.

In a racing series where the only bar to entry is owning a PS4 and a copy of a game it's a pretty forlorn hope to expect everyone to behave like proper racing drivers.

"Proper racing drivers" many times can be as dirty as the worse of "vitrual" racing drivers.
On the other hand I do expect people to actually know how to race properly and not "win/defend every position no matter what."

Driving with no mirrors is a terrible idea btw. People expect and assume that you have some awareness of what's going on around. If nothing else you might see someone steaming up the inside line and have a chance to change your line, brake earlier, let them sail off the track and go on your way.

Mirrors does not mean awareness.Many people have the mirror on their screen but zero awareness.Awareness comes with experience and be able to "read" the reaction/moves of those around you before those happening.You will only have trouble -if you got awareness- when people do things that their position do not allow them to do-in both vitrual or real life-.

 

[Deadheadbill]

There have been a few threads ranting about getting a big hit of SR from a single race, what they had in common does seemed to be leaving a race whilst it was still in progress.

It has to be so to prevent a mass exodus of drivers when the realise they can’t win, as seen in Assetto Corsa for example.

This.

I never said they weren’t dropped to E. I said quitting alone won’t cause that. They most likely quit because they had racked up a bunch of negative SR and penalties. So when they quit early they were stuck with all the infractions plus the hit for quitting.

 

[stevenhiggster]

So why haven't PD incorporated a rearview mirror into the bonnet view? Seems like a bit of an oversight to me.

Yup, need a virtual mirror option in every view. Most cockpits you can't see the mirrors either. Only reason I don't use cockpit view. Most if not all other driving games and sims have a virtual mirror option in every view.

 

[Loopdreams]

I cannot at this point justify every stupid move someone does -especially when he is supposed to be a fast and clean driver example DR A/SR S- and say "it was just a mistake-.
Most of the times is not just a mistake:its a move that should not have happend in the first place because it was never going to work.

Sure but most people aren't like that. I've had too many races now to just have been lucky. I've witnessed plenty of cheats but more often I've witnessed people making mistakes. If you want to react angrily every time you get hit and spend half of your time in a state of rage then that's up to you but for me I try to remain calm and just concentrate on my own driving. I also find that I can just get back onto the track and into the rhythm and don't tend to follow up being punted off the track with a series of mistakes of my own making.

"Proper racing drivers" many times can be as dirty as the worse of "vitrual" racing drivers.
On the other hand I do expect people to actually know how to race properly and not "win/defend every position no matter what."

Yes but I think people's expectations can be a bit too high. It's a videogame, therefore it's going to have its share of idiots but compared to other racing games in the past where I've just tried to play against random strangers it's night and day different.

Mirrors does not mean awareness.

No it doesn't, but having no mirrors certainly does mean reduced awareness, which was my point.

 

[JulesDennis]

Yup, need a virtual mirror option in every view. Most cockpits you can't see the mirrors either. Only reason I don't use cockpit view. Most if not all other driving games and sims have a virtual mirror option in every view.

In GTS the cockpit view has a vitrual rearview mirror.So there is no reason -for you- for not using that view.
Now,the "bonnet" cam has an advantage when it comes to breaking zone/placing the car into a corner entry or exit,using the full lenght of track compared other views (example the cockpit).
PD to make it more "fair",removed the rearview mirror from that camera in order to make it less "OP" compared to others.
All these because they could not do the obvious (when we talk about e-sports sim racing):
force a proper cockpit view on everyone and problem solved.

 

[pedrocor]

Yup, need a virtual mirror option in every view. Most cockpits you can't see the mirrors either. Only reason I don't use cockpit view. Most if not all other driving games and sims have a virtual mirror option in every view.

Well, PD considers the bonnet view unnatural, for some reason, so tries to discourage people to use it with things like that.
PD doesn't thing that's realistic, but considers the front bumper view a "Normal View" (as it calls it in the Manual).
And indeed some cockpits don't allow you to see the mirrors (some don't have a central rear view mirror, as the car doesnn't have a rear window, but again, for some reason, there is one on bumper camera).

 

[JulesDennis]

Well, PD considers the bonnet view unnatural, for some reason, so tries to discourage people to use it with things like that.
PD doesn't thing that's realistic, but considers the front bumper view a "Normal View" (as it calls it in the Manual).
And indeed some cockpits don't allow you to see the mirrors (some don't have a central rear view mirror, as the car doesnn't have a rear window, but again, for some reason, there is one on bumper camera).

If PD considers the bonnet view "unnatural then why put it in the game in the first place?
No "bonnet" view,no need to "discourage" people from using it.BTW its not unnatural,its helps people go faster compared to other "view" options.Thats why almost every DR A/DR S is using that camera in GTS.
And thats why that other titles do not let people use it in competitive e-racing (iracing for example).

 

[pedrocor]

If PD considers the bonnet view "unnatural then why put it in the game in the first place?
No "bonnet" view,no need to "discourage" people from using it.BTW its not unnatural,its helps people go faster compared to other "view" options.Thats why almost every DR A/DR S is using that camera in GTS.
And thats why that other titles do not let people use it in competitive e-racing (iracing for example).

I totally agree with you. I use the bonnet view myself, as is the closest to cockpit view and some cockpits don't let you see much of the track or anything around your car really (I know that's the way it is in most race cars, but usually they race with real racers and real world stewards). Fortunately there is the blindside indicator which is a great help.

 

[th3o]

All these because they could not do the obvious (when we talk about e-sports sim racing):
force a proper cockpit view on everyone and problem solved.

I am all in for cockpit view enforcing in online multiplayer games.

 

[TenderLoins]

I am all in for cockpit view enforcing in online multiplayer games.

Until they come up with a cockpit view with proper field of view, this will only cause more problems. If people were forced to use this view in online races the population would die.

 

[JamesB]

Sooooooo, can anyone explain to me the totally random and unfair nature of awarding 'slow down' penalties? Twice in the space of one online, daily race (Blue Moon Speedway) I was awarded 'slow down' time penalties for circumstances outside of my control. Firstly, taking the inside line at the last left-hander leading onto the start/finish straight, the driver to my right (who had run wide of his own accord) came across on me, sideswiped me and I got a 12 second slow down penalty?? Secondly, a different driver punted me up the **** end, leading me to spin off and contact the barriers and I get another 'slow down' penalty?

What is going on here? Is the time penalty system totally arbitrary, broken or just total crap? It makes a mockery of the 'racing etiquette' certificate and favours ****heads who seem to think that punting up the back or bouncing off the side is fair play.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I try my best to remain philosophical, if winning is that important to someone that they want to look like an idiot doing it then, whatever. Also though what can be worth doing is saving your replay and watching incidents from someone else's POV.

I've had more than a couple of incidents where some cheating sob just blatantly rammed me from behind and then watching it back their only crime was to brake a little early which then caused the car behind to send them straight into me. It doesn't take much of a lapse, I did it last night and I felt awful. At Interlagos I missed my braking into the first corner, I was distracted watching the two cars in front getting into it with each other and I completely wiped both of them out. I'm quite sure that they will have thought I did it on purpose but it was a momentary lapse.

It's also often worth spending a bit of time thinking about how a little rub from your perspective can feel like being rammed to the person you just made contact with. I've watched loads of YouTube videos of people calling out other players whilst being seemingly oblivious to how their own driving might appear sometimes.

Not saying that there aren't lots of cheats and outright idiots out there but I honestly think they're massively outnumbered by people just making mistakes. And in any case the only way they can really ruin it for you is if you throw your toys out of the pram and let them. There's still lots of good racing to be had.

In a racing series where the only bar to entry is owning a PS4 and a copy of a game it's a pretty forlorn hope to expect everyone to behave like proper racing drivers.

Driving with no mirrors is a terrible idea btw. People expect and assume that you have some awareness of what's going on around. If nothing else you might see someone steaming up the inside line and have a chance to change your line, brake earlier, let them sail off the track and go on your way.

In a racing series where the only bar to entry is owning a PS4 and a copy of a game it's a pretty forlorn hope to expect everyone to behave like proper racing drivers.

i absolutely agree and a sad thing for those who really understand what proper Racing means

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

What the hell does this update have to do with bad drivers??? It's expected to run into idiots online with any game.

My suggestion: play offline for a bit. do all the campaign stuff, then play online in the next few months. Those who love this game and respect the online will be here, and those who just got the game as gifts and are trying the online for the first time will probably have gotten bored and no longer play. Black friday just passed and this game was on sale. It's very fair to say there are a lot of new guys on

 

[DesertPenguin]

My suggestion for anyone that gets annoyed with random lobbies and Sport Mode:

Join a league. Simple as that.

 

[Baconink]

Trophies aren’t meaningless to everyone.

Seems meaningless when you obviously don’t like playing the game. I bet there are much better things you’d rather be doing so go do them rather than complain on a forum...

If PD considers the bonnet view "unnatural then why put it in the game in the first place?
No "bonnet" view,no need to "discourage" people from using it.BTW its not unnatural,its helps people go faster compared to other "view" options.Thats why almost every DR A/DR S is using that camera in GTS.
And thats why that other titles do not let people use it in competitive e-racing (iracing for example).

Not every fast driver uses bonnet view. I’d be willing to bet the fastest guys use bumper cam. It got the greatest sense of speed I think as I also use it and have since gt2. Almost all the pros I watch and play with use bumper cam.

 

[Corsa]

I think the number of exclamation marks after a post is inversely proportional to how interesting/insightful the OP will be.

Hey, OP, maybe we could start a new forum section for post race "rage" posts.

I'd choose the ball bin over GT Sport too.
Great picture!

 

[Famine]

a*se ... d*ckheads

There's only two reasons to partially censor a word like that. The first is because you don't like swearing (in which case, don't type it - although I notice you didn't have a problem with "crap".) and the second is because you think we don't and might censor it (in which case you'll annoy us by not only bypassing the swear filter but failing to appreciate why we might want one).

If you mean "dickheads", type "dickheads". If you mean "arse", type "arse". It'll either be censored in full, or it won't, but neither is a problem

 

[uMayBeSeated]

Seems meaningless when you obviously don’t like playing the game. I bet there are much better things you’d rather be doing so go do them rather than complain on a forum...

When did I say I don’t enjoy the game? I just think Sport Mode is in a bad place currently. I stay in Lobby Mode for the most part and I thoroughly enjoy it.

 

[Sven_csm]

I share a lot of whats presented here, Sr ratings and drivermatching are honestly horrible in my opinion.

80% of the time you race against the clock, once youre close enough to start a battle and passing each other someone is always forced to the mistake because you win to much time using the racing Line.

In crashes or touches, Braking zone, racing lines and changing lines during braking perior arent took in consideration. Its a shame.
If someone takes your interior because of very late breaking you almost have to give up the position all the time, no matter what after the curb he touch a wall o touch the grass.

Before you wasnt able to even touch the other drivers,
now you can just hit the hell out of him and nothing happens...

Seems that these guys go from white to black in one update.

Very disapointed,
Excuse my English.

 

[elderflower]

daily race (Blue Moon Speedway)

I had a total blast on last night's daily on Blue Moon, I kept re-entering I was enjoying it so much! Very close racing, mostly fair, some not so, but man when 6 cars in a bunch approach turn 1, there's only one outcome...! Hope it appears as an FIA race soon - I mean 40-50 laps what's not to like!

 

[JesseDeya]

I will post a screenshot of the results after race, the race was SR S and the two DNF's ended up as E, everyone else was S or A.

I don't think this screenshot is telling you what you think it is. I think it's a display bug, or some kind of PD glitch.

Firstly, they have no DR, that can't be right.
Secondly, their SR is white, which means no change (up or down), so they can't have dropped from S or A in this race as you're suggesting.

 

[Woodybobs]

I notice you didn't have a problem with "crap"

Wait, what site am I on?